Reaper 3 Released :

[TAFKAT]

Reaper 3 Final has been released

A HUGE upgrade!


Automation lanes
Nested track folders
Multiple tabbed projects
Multichannel (greater than stereo) media support, including MOGG
FX parameter controls on track and mixer control panels
Customize toolbar icons and actions
Programmable MIDI joystick/game controller support
Inline MIDI editing
Edit multiple MIDI items in one editor
Sync MIDI editor to arrange view, including looped items
Export project MIDI, with tempo map support
MIDI event filter
Track MIDI controls (manage bank/program changes, sysex, automate CC)
MIDI hardware timing improvements
Full sysex support
All-native graphics rendering engine (better appearance and performance)
Memory use improvements
Soft controller takeover, including FX parameters
MORE! Too much to list here!


http://reaper.fm/siteimages/v3-headss.jpg

http://reaper.fm/siteimages/mss_midi.jpg

http://reaper.fm/siteimages/mss_automation.jpg

http://reaper.fm/siteimages/mss_audio.jpg

http://reaper.fm/siteimages/mss_auto.jpg

More detail Here (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/index.php)

The website has had a new makeover as well............

[LEX]

LOL! Both Mac and PC too.

Good for them. Well, at least the automation is better than Cubase 5.

Well, I am using Reaper for Sound Design and just some general stuff. I don't even bother with Nuendo anymore other than Midi.

The new update looks really promising.

LEX

[Softy]

It looks very interesting. I'm just going to wait to hear what luck people have with it. I'd be especially interested to hear how stable it is. If I can spend the time, I want to try it out, using the MCU, etc. with it.

[TAFKAT]

The Windows version is as always , solid as a rock..

OSX is still in BETA and is flaky, reminds me of another app... :eusa_whistle:

[TAFKAT]

..out of interest,

I had a quick browse around the Reaper forum at the end user reaction and feedback to the release , and can't help but being stuck by the overwhelming sense of "community" there, not to mention the due and mutual respect displayed in both directions.

Compare that to the chaos that usually ensues after any Steini release..

This is a direct reflection of the overall approach , respect, and business model displayed by the developers , if only... :-(

Hats off to Justin and the rest of the dev team , again.. :clap:

[kdm]

Here's a perhaps small, but a brilliant feature (may have been in 2.0 - don't use Reaper much, but dl'd 3.0 to check it out): the folder icon on a track toggles between turning that track into a folder, and automatically including tracks below it, and off. If you change a folder's track to a sub folder, it nest, click again, it's back to a track, click again, it's a track outside of the top-level folder. Very cool, very fast, but it can get confusing and screw up nested folders if you lose track of where you are.

Reaper is getting there. Impressive app and approach no doubt.

[Animus]

I wish Cubendo would follow Photoshops lead on folders. Just select the tracks you want in a folder then "Add Folder Track" which would nest them all inside automatically.

[Animus]

Reaper is looking better and better. Catching up fast. Steinberg need to take notice I would think. One more major version (especially concentrating on midi) and I think it would be very viable for me.

[kdm]

Another little cool feature even if a bit of eye candy - potentially useful for some things: Item Notes - put notes on a midi or audio clip, and not just notes, but also load graphics as backgrounds... it doesn't just support graphics, but png files with transparent backgrounds... this could be killer just to use midi clips as marker/section/cue notes. Adding graphics might be one step more than needed in a time critical environment, but to have a template for certain project needs already setup with basic section or cue clips, with custom graphics could be very useful.

Separate track and window layout recalls - work beautifully. Also like that Reaper can fit the screen and drop the windows borders.

Here are a list of things that might tip the scales for some work for me, eventually at least if Nuendo falls behind (I'm going to send these to the devs):

1 - Improve VSTi multi-output handling and setup in general (e.g. just make it faster and more intuitive);

2 - enhance midi with logical processing options and combine quantize with humanize options

3 - Edit mode equivalent

4 - Multichannel metering? (not sure if this is implemented in some way yet)

5 - Menus and workflow of setting up some prefs is still a bit convoluted/confusing, but improving.

Probably more extended video support - haven't really tested that much.

[LEX]

Well, the development of such a small app for such little money is quite amazing.

Just the fact of home much they have turned over in a few years is astounding.

Well, once again, it just shows you how much of a difference it can make when a product is developed for the users instead of from the marketing perspective.

Cubendo has really become an app developed for the marketing department at SB.

LEX

[kdm]

From the little time I've spent with R3.0, here's what strikes me in going back to Nuendo:

Nuendo definitely has a more advanced workflow in terms of where, how, and how many features are implemented - little things like tons of midi control/editing capabilities, how easy it is to visualize the workspace at a glance; tempo warp function (tempo map in Reaper is basic - no tempo y axis yet either, but it looks like various ramp functions are planned - (slow start/end fast star/end, bezier are greyed out atm); and being able to drag barlines in Nuendo sets it apart from other apps for fast and accurate tempo mapping).

I do find that I'm missing some of the customization that Reaper 3 offers - even just being able to maximize the main window *and* go into full screen mode on a main monitor in a multi-monitor setup (without worrying about grabbing a border and dragging it off), and still have either floating windows, or the dock on a separate monitor; *and* having screensets to alter that view at a keystroke is brilliant. Nuendo works fine with workspaces, but the GUI is locked inside Windows windowing system and there are permanent limitations there.

Reaper still has a ways to go, but it is a great app for it's short and fast development life. Looks much better now with the new GUI.

It is impressive. Given the changes in v3, I wouldn't be surprised if the feature additions come faster now that it seems to have a solid basis to build on.

[LEX]

I have no doubt that in terms of midi, Reaper falls short.

But like I said before, in terms of sound design building it is quick and simple which makes getting the job done easier.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

LEX, Dedric,

It may not be there just yet, certainly MIDI is in its infancy, but growing rapidly, if the majors are not looking over their shoulders, then they are bigger idiots than even we could have imagined.. :D

Quote from the new user guide...


REAPER isn’t just about software, and it isn’t just about making music. It’s about a whole lot more. REAPER is a whole community. It represents the way music should be, the way the internet should be, the way computers should be, the way program development and licensing should be …. in fact, the way the world should be.

It’s about collaboration and co-operation, and it is truly awesome. If you’ve already laboured or suffered at the hands of some software companies, you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about. If you haven’t been there, then, believe me, you don’t want to.

Pretty much sums it up from an end user perspective..


Quote from Reaper Website:



Honest Business Model:

We offer a good product at a fair price.

We don't spend money and effort on marketing, complicated piracy protection, or other things that do not directly improve REAPER and the user experience.

We think the good will generated by playing fair and being responsive to users is more valuable to our business than short-term profits.

:clap:

[UntamedSpirit]

@vin ... the above is why I actually felt good about sending CockOS money for their software and why I inwardly fume when sending it Steinberg's way.

It's not about the $ amount (for me anyway), it's the attitude.
Two companies seemingly diametrically opposed when it comes to end user satisfaction.

I believe THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo) gives some insight into the Steinberg downfall in that area and how they could turn it around :wink:

[LEX]

Well, what is the most ironic part is that if they gave the users what they needed (rather than what marketing thinks will help sell it), and look at the user more as a benefit than a hinder, and provide timely updates to fix the dumb and stupid problems that constantly plague the program, it would sell itself.

They would only need the marketing department to help promote the software rather than decide on its development and direction.

The word of mouth on the streets keep people from buying the software.

It is unfortunate that SB can't ever see this POV and it is unfortunate that they allow the marketing team to push the direction of the software.

I think Reaper shows how well word of mouth can do for a software program, or anything for that matter.

Problem is once people get a bad word, they will never try it.

LEX

[blob]

WOW.

I´m really getting scared here.
I was watching reaper for a longer time now. Its a gem DAW. Now with those updates... WOW.

I´m scared becouse I invested thousands of dollars to get a :piss2: "flagship" application, which isn´t working as advertised!. Now I can get almost the same for 200 U$:icon_eek3: I just can´t switch knowing that my money was badly invested.

When Reaper gets eucon support, it might be tempting.....:sulkoff:

[Captain Caveman]

LEX, Dedric,

It may not be there just yet, certainly MIDI is in its infancy, but growing rapidly, if the majors are not looking over their shoulders, then they are bigger idiots than even we could have imagined.. :D

Quote from the new user guide...



Pretty much sums it up from an end user perspective..


Quote from Reaper Website:



:clap:
The question remains though - what if everybody did that? What does marketing and advertising pay for externally and does it benefit the industry as a whole?

Is it just the previously rich illuminati of coders/companies who can get involved in this altruistic vision or is it a business model that can sustain a hundred families? It is the companies with the hundred plus employees that did all the innovation after all and it's easy for a bored multi-millionaire to make anything their plaything.

I don't get it. It records audio, it records midi - name one revolutionary thing it does that another sequencer/audio interface mixer doesn't do already and I'll eat my hat.

$60 for a non-commercial license, $225 for a commercial one. What do you get for $225 - a company written manual, .pdf or written - no. Phone support - no. Support of the industry via marketing - no.

I don't get the hype, I really don't - it's an ok product, but that's about it and I've cocked around with it since v2.

[TAFKAT]

Right..,

I think its a little more than a bored millionaire making a plaything.. , its more about the approach of the devs to ensure its a 2 way street with their end users/community in regards to the ongoing development.

So by your definition, because the more established companies were the original innovators of the DAW paradigm, the smaller devs are forever in their debt ?

It would be a pretty small and secluded group then that has the right to dare to develop anything new if we were to follow your premise, Hell why stop at just software , lets apply that to any and all of the above to do with audio technology/engineering/recording

There is plenty of new innovation in Reaper in regards to routing and MP scalability , just to name 2, that makes the innovators look like Inspector Clusoe..

Re your argument for company written manuals /support , company written manuals from my experience leave a lot to be desired, and in regards to support, this forum and the other community forums are proof positive that Steinbergs support is near non existent.., what was your point again.. ?

The hype ?

Where have I hyped anything..

[kdm]

I think Captain has a point - there is a significant deviation from a standard longterm business model that has benefitted the community aspect - similar to open source projects.
But the downside is there isn't a proven, established company behind the product with support beyond a web forum, and marketing beyond word of mouth. If Reaper is selling well, that could change. If not, it's really hit or miss as to how long the honeymoon will last.

The upside is that the devs really seem committed to the product and may well eventually expand their support and marketing capabilities to truly address a commercial customer base.

Right now Reaper is a couple(?) of guys that can sacrifice a significant amount of up front profitability to take any approach they want, but there is a tradeoff that I think is going to become more apparent in the next year or two.

Presonus couldn't take the same approach. Digidesign couldn't do the same. Steinberg, MOTU and Cakewalk couldn't. They all have to fund v1.0 development, salaries, rent, utilities, marketing expenses, *and* at least part of v2.0 development; and balance marketing and selling the product with those dev costs. The Cockos guys have few costs, and few liabilities from what I can see.

Having your bills paid for going in makes a huge difference in how you can and will approach product development and marketing, to a point at least. That has certainly helped Reaper, but eventually it will have to adopt a more standard model to go beyond being a cool rebel app. It does seem they are marketing their developments and skills, so they may be starting to look at this as more of a traditional business, and with that will come some of the negatives of a sales-driven business model vs. a "for the love of it"/"who cares if it sells" approach.

That doesn't mean the other guys couldn't learn a few things from Reaper, but likewise, I think Reaper will have to start taking cues from the other guys soon if it is ever going to break out of the underground into the mainstream.

I like where it's headed in some ways and am more optimistic about it's potential now than previously, but there is still a big gap between Reaper as a commercial product and ProTools etc.

[UntamedSpirit]

Software has already cost thousands of people their jobs.

The idea that REAPER should sustain a hundred families because Steinberg does is just slightly short sighted.

Steinberg as well as many other DAW developers have cost numerous industry professionals their jobs just as DJ's have cost working musicians their jobs and band in a box type apps and samplers have cost hardware company employees their jobs.

To cherry pick the argument here and portray CockOS as fly by nighters who are damaging the industry is failing to acknowledge, the whole field is a fledgling industry and as one door closes another opens.

How would you feel if for generations you had been manufacturing hand crafted instruments only to have someone with a mic come along and make it available to the world with no recompense to the maker of the original instrument as the sampling world has done?

There has been and still is so much rot and greed in this whole industry that I welcome the changes that are taking place.

This is a much larger argument that is trying to be introduced here in a particularly piecemeal way and, I think, rather unfairly characterizing CockOS as undermining growth.

I happen to be of the opposite opinion.
I like what the company stands for and is trying to do.
I like that there is a youthful exuberance and a maybe somewhat naive lack of marketing savvy.

I am particularly biased in favour of the clip I posted earlier and find the marketing industry to be a rather revolting aspect of the worst capitalism has to offer.

Wake up to the world view and you will see this world is changing for the better and the only ones who are trying to stop it are those profiteering from the standard rapacious model.

Rant over and out.
I will not spend time here defending my view as there is a large body of erudite work by people far more informed and savvy than me to research if you are interested.

Suffice to say, most of the psuedo intellectual posturing I read on these things reminds me people are most certain in their ignorance.

:098:

p.s I defer to everybody else who has an opinion as I'm not too attached to mine ;)

[kdm]

Suffice to say, most of the psuedo intellectual posturing I read on these things reminds me people are most certain in their ignorance.
)

I assume you weren't aiming that at me, or you are missing the mark, and cherry picking your response, rather than recognizing reality vs. reaction.

I simply proposed that for Reaper to become a professionally viable app, it will have to expand beyond a couple of developers - given what Steinberg users expect of Steinberg that isn't happening, that should be rather easy to spot. Eventually two devs have more work on their hands than they can handle, and the bulk of customer support and business admin must be delegated.

This is simple business, not some "new world view" vs. "old world view". It's just a recording/editing app, not the hope for all mankind. It will have whatever success it will have - I hope it continues to grow and eventually become a viable professional option, but it isn't quite there yet. I can't speak for anyone else's views on it, but that's mine.

I don't know that I would blanket characterize the industry as filled with "rot and greed". People can be greedy, and many are. People can fail, and many do. People can act without integrity, and many do. People can also be honest, decent, and care about more than themselves, and again, many do.

To cast such a pessimistic, almost hopelessly dark cloud over the whole industry simply lumps the good in with the bad and tosses them all out ignorantly and without regard, which imho, is just as bad as contributing to the "rot and greed".

Maybe time to cool off a bit? Seems there's quite a bit of emotion wrapped up in Reaper's success/or lack thereof. :wink:

[UntamedSpirit]

more likely my own psuedo intellectual posturing (I am not even close to being an intellectual or academic) is what I'm projecting :D

Certainly not directed at anyone specifically and definitely at the borderline of having any contextual relevance to this thread.

Your points are always well thought and relevant kdm.

I do think REAPER is part of a new broom though that is sweeping the industry.

I enjoy being the fool on the hill right now.

[LEX]

I think this is going far beyond the original point.

Reaper still has alot of growing todo, but the point is what it has grown in such a short time is nothing short of remarkable.

Remember, ProTools started the same way. It was one guy in his garage.
Euphonix was 2 brothers in their garage with no experience in consoles. BTW, 2 of the original Euphonix consoles built in their garage, are still in use.

Digidesign went corporate, became arrogant, lost users, pulled back and listened and regained users.

While SB has some really great ideas and some REALLY innovative ideas, their delivery has fallen short.

User confidence is at an all time low, user support is non exsistant, updates rarely exist. Even look on the N.com with routing being lost and Fredo's response is just as it has always been. Doesn't happen here.
Just like it was with video truncation. It was defensive, not constructive.

OMF, the same way.

The real point though is, people are looking elsewhere. People are moving to other platforms leaving SB.
I think what is most disturbing is that SB doesn't even seem to care if people leave.
I guess that shows you how much they value their users.

Well, I am looking forward to using Reaper 3 more so than Nuendo, at least for audio.

Regardless of how many people are programming Reaper. They have accomplished more IMO than SB.

LEX

[olamo]

It's just a recording/editing app, not the hope for all mankind. It will have whatever success it will have - I hope it continues to grow and eventually become a viable professional option, but it isn't quite there yet.


:D +1

[Jonesy]

I think Captain has a point - there is a significant deviation from a standard longterm business model that has benefitted the community aspect - similar to open source projects.
But the downside is there isn't a proven, established company behind the product with support beyond a web forum, and marketing beyond word of mouth. If Reaper is selling well, that could change. If not, it's really hit or miss as to how long the honeymoon will last.

The upside is that the devs really seem committed to the product and may well eventually expand their support and marketing capabilities to truly address a commercial customer base.

Right now Reaper is a couple(?) of guys that can sacrifice a significant amount of up front profitability to take any approach they want, but there is a tradeoff that I think is going to become more apparent in the next year or two.

Presonus couldn't take the same approach. Digidesign couldn't do the same. Steinberg, MOTU and Cakewalk couldn't. They all have to fund v1.0 development, salaries, rent, utilities, marketing expenses, *and* at least part of v2.0 development; and balance marketing and selling the product with those dev costs. The Cockos guys have few costs, and few liabilities from what I can see.

Having your bills paid for going in makes a huge difference in how you can and will approach product development and marketing, to a point at least. That has certainly helped Reaper, but eventually it will have to adopt a more standard model to go beyond being a cool rebel app. It does seem they are marketing their developments and skills, so they may be starting to look at this as more of a traditional business, and with that will come some of the negatives of a sales-driven business model vs. a "for the love of it"/"who cares if it sells" approach.

That doesn't mean the other guys couldn't learn a few things from Reaper, but likewise, I think Reaper will have to start taking cues from the other guys soon if it is ever going to break out of the underground into the mainstream.

I like where it's headed in some ways and am more optimistic about it's potential now than previously, but there is still a big gap between Reaper as a commercial product and ProTools etc.

All businesses have to change and evolve now, so maybe this is a sign of things to come. Personally I like the idea of small, fast on their feet businesses rather than big corporations that need to make millions every year, particularly in the software industry. Big corporations have caused a lot of anguish lately, I am all for small business.

[Softy]

I happen to be of the opposite opinion.
I like what the company stands for and is trying to do.
I like that there is a youthful exuberance and a maybe somewhat naive lack of marketing savvy.


Personally, what I like about the "youthful exuberence," etc. of a small company with a Reaper-like product is that with less of a company to worry about, more focus might go towards refining the product itself than spent on managing the company.


I am particularly biased in favour of the clip I posted earlier and find the marketing industry to be a rather revolting aspect of the worst capitalism has to offer.

Wake up to the world view and you will see this world is changing for the better and the only ones who are trying to stop it are those profiteering from the standard rapacious model.

Well, I haven't yet become a believer in any such thing.

[kdm]

Personally I like the idea of small, fast on their feet businesses rather than big corporations that need to make millions every year, particularly in the software industry. Big corporations have caused a lot of anguish lately, I am all for small business.

Running a small business myself, I am also very much in favor of small businesses. Extremely so. :-)

Drifting OT for a moment:

As we all think through our opinions of the corporate world, I think it's important to remember that all big businesses started very small - usually one person (reality, not defense). The problem is that larger businesses forget, and to be fair, lose the ability to think like a small business, and in many ways, it's unavoidable and inevitable - size has advantages and disadvantages. So if anyone becomes a big business, innovates the next Apple or Microsoft, try to remember what made you successful when you were small, and try to translate that to the larger venue... but above all, I think personal integrity at all levels of any business are the key to a better corporate model - customers first, not second or third; act responsibly for your industry (and customers), not just the bottom line (fire the board and shareholders if that becomes an issue ;-).

There are tradeoffs in how we view and manage this looking from the outside in - to limit big business fairly at the legislative level can also impact small businesses, and potentially much more devastatingly so. That's an area that has to be tread very carefully. Having watched and considered some of the proposals here in the US to distribute wealth more "fairly", partly by penalizing and limiting the "corporate/capitalistic" system (and considering how they might impact me), I'm fearing greatly for millions of small businesses and communities that could be killed off overnight by such moves, leaving *only* big corporations and the factory worker model in its' wake - kind of a tragic irony of the supposed intent that only business owners (not lawyers/legislators) seem to see... but that's a topic for another day/conversation.

If that happens, Reaper could be the last of that underground concept in the audio industry instead of one of the first...but let's hope instead it sets a new standard in customer involvement, responsiveness and support; and has the continued freedom to follow the business model that works best for their company.

Back closer to the topic:
Lex - have you found any substitute for edit mode in Reaper?

[Captain Caveman]

Re your argument for company written manuals /support , company written manuals from my experience leave a lot to be desired, and in regards to support, this forum and the other community forums are proof positive that Steinbergs support is near non existent.., what was your point again.. ?

The hype ?

Where have I hyped anything..

Sorry Vin, I went of half-cocked their, I wasn't saying that you were hyping anything yourself. Apologies for that.

Re the support, yes the Steinberg internet forum doesn't get things moving as it should, but there are real people who have been given real jobs answering phones in many languages that forms part of the $3-400 they'll get wholesale for Cubase and although written manuals aren't the be all and end all, they cost money to write and again jobs are created doing this stuff. Seeing as it is a physical products there are warehouse jobs and space to pay for too.

So even though the $60 for a non-commercial Reaper license is cheap compared to a full version of Cubase and slightly cheaper than Tracktion, Samplitude Music Studio and others, there aren't any overheads to speak of in that and so it is a potentially lucrative business (or maybe it is already?). Nothing wrong with that at all, and I hope they all do well out of it, but I can't attribute any swashbucklingly altruistic values to the business model like some seem to.

[LEX]

Back closer to the topic:
Lex - have you found any substitute for edit mode in Reaper?

No but I don't use Nuendo for audio anymore. I use Pro Tools.

I have only being using Reaper for sound design at the moment. Since reaper doesn't lose routing assignments, nor do I have any issues with solo/mute. ;)

Like I said, Cubendo has some great features, some implemented fairly well, and some very poorly.

Personally, I just want to get work done so I don't have to spend ALL my time in the studio.

Since I have switched, I have more time for other things.

That in itself makes it worth it.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Sorry Vin, I went of half-cocked their, I wasn't saying that you were hyping anything yourself. Apologies for that..

Hey Cap,

No problem Mate..

RE some of the other points being made about big companies forgetting about how to behave like smaller companies, etc., well of course as the companies get bigger the logistics of running the ship shift and get far more complicated , however, forgetting the most basic principle of your clients being your greatest assets should never be one of the shifts of focus IMO, which does happen more and more as companies get bigger.

I too run a small business which has more in common to Justins approach , lower overhead with focus on the product and clients more than the industry so to speak , but I do have to note that a lot of the companies involved in the audio industry are not big at all, and many would be surprised just how small most are . Many are one man shows, quite a few would have less than a dozen or even a few dozen in total , there is only a small number that would fit the mold of sustaining larger employee numbers.

I do agree that physically employing people to answer phones, etc, will in some way justify the higher pricing, no argument there , never has been an argument, my only comment there is that in all of the years that I have been dealing with "support" personal , the number that actually could find their arse in a well lit room I could count on one hand , the number that are a total and utter waste of time , and are in fact detrimental would number in the many dozen. The money could be better spent IMO... :wink:

I keep reading opinions that Reaper may eventually get so big that the developers will need to address their MO to accommodate that fact , I personally don't believe that is the case , if anything, I am seeing more and more software companies using a similar approach of Reaper in delivering its content at the commercial level in regards to electronic only delivery, minimal to no advertising, etc. Having personally dealt with Justin numerous times I doubt no matter how big it gets over the next few years, his approach will change one iota , also he is already bringing more and more devs into the circle to accommodate its growing end user requested feature set, and is maintaining and expanding the incredibly good will and re-pour with the end users and community, which I noted earlier in the thread. It is something that all companies, big and small can learn from , and I hope to see more of it, not less , as I believe that will help support and benefit the industry more than the current dumbing down, box mover mentality that I am seeing increase over the years..

[kdm]

the number that actually could find their arse in a well lit room I could count on one hand , the number that are a total and utter waste of time


True. I generally don't even bother with expecting support for gear anymore, but happy to see it when it happens.



Since I have switched, I have more time for other things.

That in itself makes it worth it.

If you come across this thing people talk about from time to time - "vacation" - let me know. I've heard of people "taking a vacation", but it is unfamiliar to me. Is this something I can order from Sweetwater or Amazon.com? :eusa_eh:

[LEX]

If you come across this thing people talk about from time to time - "vacation" - let me know. I've heard of people "taking a vacation", but it is unfamiliar to me. Is this something I can order from Sweetwater or Amazon.com? :eusa_eh:

Haven't had one in 4 years. But with the "extra" time, I can get to bed at a decent time, I have time to work out and stay healthly, get laid, hang out with friends and keep my place organized and clean.

It also leaves me time to wax my car and enjoy it as well.

I think those things are pretty important when I look back and see all the time I lost with all the problems.

LEX

[olamo]

No but I don't use Nuendo for audio anymore. I use Pro Tools.

I have only being using Reaper for sound design at the moment. Since reaper doesn't lose routing assignments, nor do I have any issues with solo/mute. ;)

Like I said, Cubendo has some great features, some implemented fairly well, and some very poorly.

Personally, I just want to get work done so I don't have to spend ALL my time in the studio.

Since I have switched, I have more time for other things.

That in itself makes it worth it.

LEX

My experience as well, you start wasting so much time with bugs and issues that it's sometimes worth switching. For me the solution is Samplitude ATM - Reaper doesn't cut it although the update looks nice.

Did you get the PT Complete upgrade kit? All of sudden you can mix 128 tracks in surround and edit score with Sibelius light notation editor. Starting to look really nice! Waiting for Digi to release 64 bit drivers though( slotools.. will take time), but I will get a PTLE solution soon( I run M-powered these days using the crappy Transit device as a dongle)

I'm really trying hard to like Reaper, but can't get myself to use it..

[LEX]

My experience as well, you start wasting so much time with bugs and issues that it's sometimes worth switching. For me the solution is Samplitude ATM - Reaper doesn't cut it although the update looks nice.

Did you get the PT Complete upgrade kit? All of sudden you can mix 128 tracks in surround and edit score with Sibelius light notation editor. Starting to look really nice! Waiting for Digi to release 64 bit drivers though( slotools.. will take time), but I will get a PTLE solution soon( I run M-powered these days using the crappy Transit device as a dongle)

I'm really trying hard to like Reaper, but can't get myself to use it..

I haven't gotten the Upgrade kit yet, but I am soon. PT8 is pretty solid, and at 128 tracks it is pretty nice.

I am not worried about 64 bit for PT as I don't use it for midi. I still use Nuendo 3 for midi.

I think if Reaper changes their editing mode, it will change it major.
Cursor editing is such a pita.

LEX

[Jonesy]

No but I don't use Nuendo for audio anymore. I use Pro Tools.

LEX

What's it feel like to have input metering on individual audio channels? :wink:

[LEX]

I see a piano roll type editor for MIDI. How different is it from Cubendo? What features are still missing from the MIDI side of the app. that prevent you from using it?

I don't use PT for midi.

LEX

Input metering. Can't live without it.

[kdm]

Just my personal prefs here:

1 - processing options similar to the Logical editor;
2 - quantize options also in a default/dropdown menu, not just a popup menu (and remove the popup from the only key command for quantize - may be in
3 - Decklink support (not a midi feature, but necessary for my work)
4 - edit mode equivalent (the markers to cues option is interesting for work later in a project, but haven't had time to dig into it much)
5 - warp tempo from dragging bar lines instead of adapting bar lines/measures to tempo change nodes, though it's really getting there - when the alternate ramp functions are implemented, it's going to be an interesting alternative - to have a bezier tempo ramp vs. Nuendo's linear/make your own, is quite attractive.
6 - better handling/setup of multi-timbral VSTi's - a bit more convoluted than Nuendo - I seem to recall some midi channel mapping head scratchers in v2, but haven't tried it in v3 yet.

Other than that, Reaper 3 really has taken a big step forward in general and is a very impressive app. I actually hope to have some time in a few weeks to put it to the test just to see what I miss, and what I don't.

The biggest reason now is that I can do all of this and audio work I need to in Nuendo, so switching doesn't make sense yet. If Reaper exceeds what I use Nuendo for, then I'll seriously consider it. There are already advantages to Reaper (and a few little bugs - fullscreen doesn't minimize/un-full screen without starting playback, which seems to also require clicking the screen to restore focus - tends to create "ghost" menu/top bar images then too, but only on my main DAW - fine on the laptop. Going into full screen is fine on both).

[LEX]

Where did I say you did? :eusa_eh:

I'm refering to Reaper as compared to Cubendo. :icon_biggrin:

I don't use Reaper for Midi.

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

v3.01 (http://landoleet.org/) nearly ready for those that are willing to try betas.


v3.01 - May 31 2009
+ Right-click FX button to add FX from user folder or saved FX chain
+ Show newly scanned FX in their own folder in FX browser
+ Faster display when opening FX browser or right-click FX menu
+ Fixed shortcut assignment to numpad 5 (and divide, decimal on some keyboards)
+ Middle mouse button sets play cursor in MIDI editor
+ Scrollbar resize handle works in MIDI editor
+ Fixed various nitpicks only seen when adv pref "large window frames" is on
+ VST: corrected audioMasterGetOutputLatency to match cubendo's behavior when used from VSTs with delay comp
+ MIDI editor: fix for reloading the same text strings file
+ MIDI export, .syx import, bank/string filenames now support unicode
+ Fix for MIDI items changing when changing project settings
+ Support for up to 30 MIDI input ports, 32 MIDI output ports (up from 24/24)
+ Fixed MIDI editor actions to change timebase view
+ Fixed reading of license keyfiles with Mac newline format
+ Fixed recording to unsaved projects with relative project media path set(again)
+ ReaControlMIDI: separate selection of LSB cc messages

[LEX]

v3.01 (http://landoleet.org/) nearly ready for those that are willing to try betas.


v3.01 - May 31 2009
+ Right-click FX button to add FX from user folder or saved FX chain
+ Show newly scanned FX in their own folder in FX browser
+ Faster display when opening FX browser or right-click FX menu
+ Fixed shortcut assignment to numpad 5 (and divide, decimal on some keyboards)
+ Middle mouse button sets play cursor in MIDI editor
+ Scrollbar resize handle works in MIDI editor
+ Fixed various nitpicks only seen when adv pref "large window frames" is on
+ VST: corrected audioMasterGetOutputLatency to match cubendo's behavior when used from VSTs with delay comp
+ MIDI editor: fix for reloading the same text strings file
+ MIDI export, .syx import, bank/string filenames now support unicode
+ Fix for MIDI items changing when changing project settings
+ Support for up to 30 MIDI input ports, 32 MIDI output ports (up from 24/24)
+ Fixed MIDI editor actions to change timebase view
+ Fixed reading of license keyfiles with Mac newline format
+ Fixed recording to unsaved projects with relative project media path set(again)
+ ReaControlMIDI: separate selection of LSB cc messages

Hey wait. Didn't they just release 3.0? LOL, SB could only hope for this kind of efficiency. Anyone for that matter.

But 32 midi ports is limiting but better. 64 would be idea.

LEX

[Softy]

I keep reading opinions that Reaper may eventually get so big that the developers will need to address their MO to accommodate that fact , I personally don't believe that is the case , if anything, I am seeing more and more software companies using a similar approach of Reaper in delivering its content at the commercial level in regards to electronic only delivery, minimal to no advertising, etc. Having personally dealt with Justin numerous times I doubt no matter how big it gets over the next few years, his approach will change one iota , also he is already bringing more and more devs into the circle to accommodate its growing end user requested feature set, and is maintaining and expanding the incredibly good will and re-pour with the end users and community, which I noted earlier in the thread. It is something that all companies, big and small can learn from , and I hope to see more of it, not less , as I believe that will help support and benefit the industry more than the current dumbing down, box mover mentality that I am seeing increase over the years..
Very well said. The more I think about it, the more I want to buy Reaper, if for no other reason than to help support it. As soon as I can get around to it, I'll do that. Even if (as LEX does) I only use it for sound design, it'll certainly be worth the money anyway.

[Softy]

Haven't had one in 4 years. But with the "extra" time, I can get to bed at a decent time, I have time to work out and stay healthly, get laid, hang out with friends and keep my place organized and clean.

It also leaves me time to wax my car and enjoy it as well.

I think those things are pretty important when I look back and see all the time I lost with all the problems.

LEX
Come to think of it, I haven't had but ONE real vacation during the past 30+ years, and that was over 20 years ago. Recently though, I've been integrating into my life, more of the "extra time" things you mention. I think that's a really good idea. Maybe I'll manage to figure out a way to take a real vacation every now and then too.

[kdm]

Hey wait. Didn't they just release 3.0? LOL, SB could only hope for this kind of efficiency. Anyone for that matter.

LEX

I don't even think they know that kind of efficiency is possible.

At the rate Reaper is progressing, it will bypass Nuendo 6 before Nuendo 5 is released, and ProTools 9 before 8.2 is out.

[shanabit]

I just picked it up here. Anything to be a thorn LOL

Ive been looking at it for a few years. Looks like the MIDI is getting there finally. Its skinable!!

[LEX]

I just picked it up here. Anything to be a thorn LOL

Ive been looking at it for a few years. Looks like the MIDI is getting there finally. Its skinable!!

Yeah, the midi is simple but it seems to be there much better now.

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

updated 3.01 beta

v3.01 - June 1 2009
+ Right-click FX button to add FX from user folder or saved FX chain
+ Show newly scanned FX in their own folder in FX browser
+ Faster display when opening FX browser or right-click FX menu
+ Fixed shortcut assignment to numpad 5 (and divide, decimal on some keyboards)
+ Middle mouse button sets play cursor in MIDI editor
+ Scrollbar resize handle works in MIDI editor
+ Fixed various nitpicks only seen when adv pref "large window frames" is on
+ VST: corrected audioMasterGetOutputLatency to match cubendo's behavior when used from VSTs with delay comp
+ MIDI editor: fix for reloading the same text strings file
+ MIDI export, .syx import, bank/string filenames now support unicode
+ Fix for MIDI items changing when changing project settings
+ Support for up to 30 MIDI input ports, 32 MIDI output ports (up from 24/24)
+ Fixed MIDI editor actions to change timebase view
+ Fixed reading of license keyfiles with Mac newline format
+ Fixed recording to unsaved projects with relative project media path set(again)
+ ReaControlMIDI: separate selection of LSB cc messages
+ MIDI editor: moving notes one octave moves one octave rather than 12 visible pitches
+ FX Browser: Added "Recently used FX" folder

[TAFKAT]

Not sure if its different to the beta.., but 3.01 went final on June 2

REAPER 3.01 - June 2, 2009

Changes: Even better than v3.0!

* Right-click FX button to add FX from user folder or saved FX chain
* Show newly scanned FX in their own folder in FX browser
* Faster display when opening FX browser or right-click FX menu
* Fixed shortcut assignment to numpad 5 (and divide, decimal on some keyboards)
* Middle mouse button sets play cursor in MIDI editor
* Scrollbar resize handle works in MIDI editor
* Fixed various nitpicks only seen when adv pref "large window frames" is on
* VST: corrected audioMasterGetOutputLatency to match cubendo's behavior when used from VSTs with delay comp
* MIDI editor: fix for reloading the same text strings file
* MIDI export, .syx import, bank/string filenames now support unicode
* Fix for MIDI items changing when changing project settings
* Support for up to 30 MIDI input ports, 32 MIDI output ports (up from 24/24)
* Fixed MIDI editor actions to change timebase view
* Fixed reading of license keyfiles with Mac newline format
* Fixed recording to unsaved projects with relative project media path set(again)
* ReaControlMIDI: separate selection of LSB cc messages
* MIDI editor: moving notes one octave moves one octave rather than 12 visible pitches
* FX Browser: Added "Recently used FX" folder

[The dman]

Does anybody know if they made improvements with their take system? That's one of the things I love about Cuebendo and last time I checked it out in Reaper it was a bit of a mess and really has been the one major thing that's stopped me from using it more.

Thanks

[TAFKAT]

Latest update ( Public Beta )

v3.02 - June 6 2009
+ Fixes to APE, OGG, and MP3 writing in certain consolidate instances
+ Fixed consolidate having issue with certain content/output sinks
+ Fixed Unicode file support for DirectShow video files (avi/mpg/etc)
+ Fixed CoreAudio aggregate/multi-buffer audio bug
+ JS: threaded memory manager fixes (for when starting playback with graphic JSs loaded)
+ Fixed bug sending events at end of MIDI file in certain instances
+ More useful dialog message when unable to encode MP3
+ OSX: improved GUI compatibility for some plugins
+ OSX graphics tweaks
+ MIDI editor: major performance improvement when editing small MIDI items in large projects
+ Quick FX add menu when clicking FX slots on the extended mixer
+ Windows: Low-level change to external MIDI output handling
+ MIDI output timing, CPU, bandwidth, consistency, and stability improvements
+ Global envelope menu selection to show/hide all track envelopes in project

[foxysounds]

RE some of the other points being made about big companies forgetting about how to behave like smaller companies, etc., well of course as the companies get bigger the logistics of running the ship shift and get far more complicated , however, forgetting the most basic principle of your clients being your greatest assets should never be one of the shifts of focus IMO, which does happen more and more as companies get bigger.

Personally I think the problems start when a company decides it needs money to expand and the only way to get that money is to float the company on the stock market. From that point onwards the directors then have 3 sets of people to keep happy - the staff, the stockholders and the customers. I have worked for companies that have, in my opinion, made decisions which are bad for the long term stability and growth of the company, in order to satisfy the short-term expectations of the stockholders (i.e. share price).

This is why, I think, big companies suffer problems to which small companies seem immune. In order to get big they had to sell shares.

Simon.

[UntamedSpirit]

it's a pain to have to do this but :

4 days later

v3.03pre - June 10 2009
+ Render: option to render at project samplerate, but output at a different rate (apply SRC last)
+ Fixed bug when undoing on certain projects with envelope lanes visible
+ Fixed bug storing online rendering to project file
+ Online rendering will pause for a few seconds before rendering to allow hardware to switch samplerates if necessary
+ Project setting for item mix behavior (items can mix, replace earlier items, or replace enclosing items)
+ Actions to enable or disable auto-crossfade on split
+ -renderproject hides main window from view
+ Fix for plugins that create multiple envelopes when loaded with automation write on
+ Fixed MIDI editor actions to move multiple notes up or down
+ Track MIDI input can be mapped to any channel
+ Fixed move cursor to start of previous measure action when starting on beat
+ Preliminary wet/dry knob for FX (todo: automation)
+ Look for embedded track name event when importing single-track MIDI
+ Option to not reset MIDI CC on stop
+ Queued (batch) rendering support (Queue render button in render dialog, menu/action to bring up queue)
+ MIDI editor: control-drag also copies CC messages when moving CC with notes
+ Action to toggle maximize all tracks will maximize first
+ OSX: enabled FX folder rename/delete, drag FX into folder
+ OSX: fixed item fadein cursor
+ OSX: tweaks to hidden-mouse UI behavior
+ OSX: better enter key behavior in text fields

[UntamedSpirit]

v3.03 - June 15 2009
+ Fixes for action to crossfade at selection
+ Crossfade at selection automatically splits an enclosing item
+ VKB performance improvement (especially on WINE)
+ Peak caches: better validation of timestamps for varying timezones and filesystems
+ Draw correct crossfades when an item sits on top of another item
+ X key is mapped to crossfade selected items action by default
+ Fixed delay compensation of untouched track channels for VSTs with latency decrease (ReaFIR etc)
+ Fixed delay compensation on untouched track channels for JS (including ReaMote)
+ ReaMote: fixed network thrashing with automated fx parameters
+ MIDI editor: removed snap behavior where snapping is disabled more than 100px from grid
+ Render: option to render at project samplerate, but output at a different rate (apply SRC last)
+ Fixed bug when undoing on certain projects with envelope lanes visible
+ Fixed bug storing online rendering to project file
+ Online rendering will pause for a few seconds before rendering to allow hardware to switch samplerates if necessary
+ Project setting for item mix behavior (items can mix, replace earlier items, or replace enclosing items)
+ Actions to enable or disable auto-crossfade on split
+ -renderproject hides main window from view
+ Fix for plugins that create multiple envelopes when loaded with automation write on
+ Fixed MIDI editor actions to move multiple notes up or down
+ Track MIDI input can be mapped to any channel
+ Fixed move cursor to start of previous measure action when starting on beat
+ Preliminary wet/dry knob for FX
+ Look for embedded track name event when importing single-track MIDI
+ Option to not reset MIDI CC on stop
+ Queued (batch) rendering support (Queue render button in render dialog, menu/action to bring up queue)
+ MIDI editor: control-drag also copies CC messages when moving CC with notes
+ Action to toggle maximize all tracks will maximize first
+ Fixed adding tempo events via transport when tempo envelope is hidden
+ Support for changing BPM from within ReWire slaves
+ User config for external MIDI output threading (restricted to one thread by default)
+ Fix for ripple editing + tempo marker issues
+ OSX: better hidden-mouse UI behavior (with Synergy detection as well)
+ OSX: cleaner looking buttons/popup buttons (todo combo boxes)
+ OSX: enabled FX folder rename/delete, drag FX into folder
+ OSX: fixed item fadein cursor
+ OSX: better support for detecting mouse activation for BFD2 etc
+ Internal queue optimizations

[LEX]

Holy Hell Batman.

They are kicking ASS and taking names, daily.

So Nuendo sits in the discount bin, while users suffer daily problems and issues while this just keeps getting better and better every day.

I'd say Reaper will be pretty well along by the time N5 is released.

Though, Reaper will have released 20 fixes by the time the first N5 update is released.
Probably will be even V4 by then.

LEX

[kdm]

+ Render: option to render at project samplerate, but output at a different rate (apply SRC last)


+ Online rendering will pause for a few seconds before rendering to allow hardware to switch samplerates if necessary

Hmm - it seems Reaper just handles sample rate the right way from the start. I never bother to try it given past experience and usually stick with one sample rate for a full project, but Nuendo can't SRC at output can it? It just maps to the wrong sample rate.

I agree Lex - Reaper 4 by the time N5 is out, maybe before.

[paulwr]

You guys got my curiosity up and I finally downloaded Reaper. 'Holy Hell, Batman!' is right! I have a lot of messing around to do with it (audio..... no interest in another midi program), but the little I did I was impressive. I need to check out the automation features.......... I might mix/master on this. Time will tell, but I love there approach to their business if nothing else.

-Paul

[kdm]

You guys got my curiosity up and I finally downloaded Reaper. 'Holy Hell, Batman!' is right! I have a lot of messing around to do with it (audio..... no interest in another midi program), but the little I did I was impressive. I need to check out the automation features.......... I might mix/master on this. Time will tell, but I love there approach to their business if nothing else.

-Paul

Automation is something I'm watching as well. It isn't there yet (or I haven't found how to enable it), but the hooks are there for bezel curves and interpolating thinned automation data to curves - I don't know if that means Reaper actually puts automation on a mathematical curve, or if the GUI just shows one for convenience - I'm guessing that former since there is little point in making the GUI representation look nice without the data following.

That could be a pretty big step above Nuendo. Just add fill, virgin territory, preview and a few other capabilities now in N's new system and Reaper would be on the way to competing reasonably for a lot of people.

I would like to see a bit more tidy track and folder handling (collapse folders completely, not just shortened track heights), as well as the routing setup for VSTis - midi and audio - still a pain to sort through tracks and find what you need unless you spend time adding icons and color coding everything - too time consuming currently.

Still a very impressive app.

[LEX]

Automation is something I'm watching as well. It isn't there yet (or I haven't found how to enable it), but the hooks are there for bezel curves and interpolating thinned automation data to curves - I don't know if that means Reaper actually puts automation on a mathematical curve, or if the GUI just shows one for convenience - I'm guessing that former since there is little point in making the GUI representation look nice without the data following.

That could be a pretty big step above Nuendo. Just add fill, virgin territory, preview and a few other capabilities now in N's new system and Reaper would be on the way to competing reasonably for a lot of people.

I would like to see a bit more tidy track and folder handling (collapse folders completely, not just shortened track heights), as well as the routing setup for VSTis - midi and audio - still a pain to sort through tracks and find what you need unless you spend time adding icons and color coding everything - too time consuming currently.

Still a very impressive app.

Well, at least Justin listens to the users and puts in useful and working features.
I would imagine you'd get what you want.

LEX

[kdm]

Still moving at the speed of light compared to most DAWs.....

-------
v3.04 - June 19 2009
+ Joystick MIDI improvements (modeless config, submodes, etc)
+ Allow ctrl+drag copy of selected areas of items even with very small selections
+ Actions: split selected items at project markers, split selected items at grid
+ Action: remove content behind selected items (shift-X by default)
+ Crossfade selected items action allows time selection that is completely within both items
+ Fixed bug with render dialogs render master not being restored from configuration
+ ReaDelay: fixed label of delay length (from QN to 8N)
+ Fixed some bugs relating to Unicode conversions when getting long UI strings
+ OSX: fixed sending 1 and 2 byte messages to MIDI hardware
+ Ctrl+drag (pencil mode) creates empty MIDI item if no item is selected
+ SiF meters now show actual signal
+ Batch rendering will no longer show save prompt/project properties if preference set
+ MIDI editor: fixed sorting and mouse hit testing of overlapping notes
+ MIDI editor: Undo/redo of certain actions from within editor updates cached note names
+ MIDI editor: fixed scroll issues with last clicked note selection
+ MIDI editor: notes are not created when dragging vertically
+ MIDI editor: action to cycle through multiple items loaded in one editor (alt+N by default)
+ MIDI editor: better paste edit cursor behavior with looped items
+ Menu bar shows recording format, device settings, optionally free disk space including time
+ Normalize as much as +120dB (up from +36dB)
+ Allow resizing tracks in folder compact (not supercompact) mode
+ Toolbar icons show current state for many global toggle actions
+ Fixed relative filename item paste issues (when option to use relative files before fully qualified path is set)
+ Disabling record arm for tracks now sends all notes off
+ New JS: adpcm_simulator
+ Fixed project load splash screen leak
+ Better track vertical resize behaviors with varying arrange view sizes
+ Fixed open performance meter causing crashes in certain instances
+ VST: Support for plug-ins with Unicode filenames
+ VST: UAD plug-ins always get constant blocksizes (so that they can loop without extra latency)
+ VST: extra UAD mutexing on opening of UI
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Don't know if this is new, but tracks in folders now remember their individual heights if resized, then the folder is collapsed and reopened.

[shanabit]

Yeah the OSX 2 byte messages to MIDI hardware was squashed real quick when Myself and another user pointed it out. AMAZING!!!!!!!!!

[LEX]

Holey Shit! 4 updates in 3 weeks.

10 times the fixes as the standard SB update.

I imagine there will be another one in a day or too.

Reaper 4 by Spring 2010, before Nuendo 5 that has features from C5 missing.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

This is the standard M.O for these guys..

End users report issue, the dev team listen, acknowledge and resolve the issues in an appropriate time frame.. , usually within a few weeks most.

I have had reported issues resolved in hours of personally emailing Justin.

I can't speak highly enough of these guys..

:clap:

[kdm]

They are setting a new, higher standard, for DAW development. Heh, and I'm eating my words now from a year or two ago about Reaper. LOL

I'm hoping Reaper keeps improving and growing, and doesn't hit any technical snags - can't really see any. I haven't tested it with a high load of VSTi's, but it seems like the core design is more solid and future-proof than Cubendo, Sonar and Logic.

[shanabit]

They get the comping down and Im gone. Maybe Studio One will beat them to it?

[kdm]

3.05 is in prerelease. A solid list of bug fixes, performance and graphics enhancements, etc. Looks like there is a customizable shading option for fade areas, as well as play cursor blink/width, etc.

Reaper will be making latte's before Nuendo 4.3 is out.

[LEX]

Reaper will be making latte's before Nuendo 4.3 is out.

It doesn't already?

LEX

[kdm]

It doesn't already?

LEX

I think it only does mochas in this release.

[Softy]

They are setting a new, higher standard, for DAW development. Heh, and I'm eating my words now from a year or two ago about Reaper. LOL

I'm hoping Reaper keeps improving and growing, and doesn't hit any technical snags - can't really see any. I haven't tested it with a high load of VSTi's, but it seems like the core design is more solid and future-proof than Cubendo, Sonar and Logic.

I just got my license. If it works reliably with the MCU Pro, and sync's to timecode using the RME TCO option, I'm probably going to give it every chance to become the DAW of choice here.

[paulwr]

gonna have to rename this forum "CubendoReepo"
(ReepoInYourCubendo .... well, just too many syllables among other things)

-Paul

[shanabit]

gonna have to rename this forum "CubendoReepo"
(ReepoInYourCubendo .... well, just too many syllables among other things)

-Paul

I like CubendoReepo the best BTW, another update from the COCKOS team

REAPER 3.05 - July 1, 2009

* Significant audio processing performance improvements, especially in larger projects
* FX processing improvements for all Cockos plugins
* Processing performance improvements for MIDI-only tracks
* Significant graphics optimizations
* Pasting items in large projects is faster
* Fixed dragging items vertically across multiple tracks
* Media explorer remembers the last directory visited when reopened
* Global automation override is saved with project
* JS sysex support: midisyx(frameoffset,msgbuf,len)
* FX parameter adjustment undo point is set immediately if the plugin informs the host the move is done
* Fixed random creation of different-length takes in loop recording
* Faster bulk-arming of tracks via action
* Seek is less likely to unnecessarily scroll the view
* Properly resize last track in folder when compacting
* FX quick-add menu contents are sorted alphabetically
* Safer VST unloading while playing
* Use envelope lane button hover states
* Dont allow dragging a folder track into its own children
* Copy MIDI item editor settings (note shape, etc) when copying MIDI items
* Dont autoclose audio device when media explorer is previewing
* Fixed waveout/directsound issues on failed initialization
* Better folder remembering on render/consolidate, better default record path (rather than path to app)
* MIDI editor: option to set default color map (in prefs/media/midi)
* Support for mcp_master_sendlist_* theme images
* ReaTune updates for multiple project and better take-fx support in manual mode, slight visual overhaul
* Color-themeable fade area shading for media items
* Color-themeable blinking edit cursor
* Optional color-themeable play cursor (with width control)
* Themes can set blend mode on fade handle edges/snap offset drawing
* More efficient time selection highlight drawing in default theme
* Fixed action for toggle recarm on all selected tracks
* Better cue label positioning for stereo items etc
* Actions to toggle item normalize/multiple item normalize, un-normalize
* Special-case mutexing for ET-200/Rez/Oatmeal, generalizable on request for other plug-ins
* Will now prompt you to select an audio device if you have not yet selected one
* OSX: better view of some unthemed windows in docker
* OSX: better AU initialization for some plugins
* Improved tempo/time signature marker editing behavior
* Open file in external editor supports unicode filenames
* Custom toolbar icon assigned to "bounce live output to disk" will light up while recording
* Preference whether to auto-show FX window after adding via quick-add menu
* Warn if unable to save changes because project file is read-only
* Fix for problems unloading plugins that run message loop during effClose (i.e. Guru)
* Fixed bug with mixed native/OS text rendering colors being incorrect

[LEX]

:icon_eek3:

DAMN. Reaper is kicking ass and taking names.

SB won't notice until Reaper has taken over.

LEX

[paulwr]

Is it really possible for a couple of guys to program this much? Is it moving so fast that it will warp space and fold in on itself? Yikes!

-Paul

[BJF]

I'm genuinely very impressed by this company. I tried Reaper 2, although impressive I couldn't use it as it didn't work as well as Nuendo/Cubase/ for the things I needed to do.

Yesterday I downloaded 3, and so far it's looking good. Granted I haven't delved in too deeply yet, but I do think that with the amount of work they are doing on it, and how they treat their customers they could get quite big!

B

[D]

Is it really possible for a couple of guys to program this much?

No QA managers, no Dept Mgr looking over your shoulder, telling you what code to work on. No CEO giving you "direction" that you don't need. No CFO telling you how empty the coffers are.

Damn straight. In the old days, I was involved in a few projects like this. Some limiting factors are how long you can stay awake, how many times you can run "make" before you wig out, and how long your wife will continue to sleep with you if you're not...um...sleeping with her.

[kdm]

Obviously there are some major features that aren't there yet in Reaper. It also remain to be seen whether they can implement them as fast and efficiently as other changes.

Some of what is in 3.05 is minor by comparison to something like Decklink support, video thumbnails on the timeline (assuming they can easily separate audio/video onto separate tracks), Eucon support, better integration of preferences, options and general GUI layout (better folder handling, etc). It could take a year or more just to get that in place.

I'm optimistic given that their track record is far better than any other company's so far, but it's hard to give it a direct comparison just yet. Let's just say my fingers are crossed. I'm all for viable alternatives.

Nuendo has had several years, and two previous applications to build on, but obviously, development and bug fixes are moving at a glacial pace compared to Reaper. Many features in Nuendo are more advanced from a general application standpoint (not programming necessarily), but it is taking a very long time to make them stable, reliable, and hence, usable.

Someone still needs to really take advantage of the skinning options and come up with a killer skin - that alone can have a noticeable impact on how easy it is to work with Reaper - some are getting close, but still need to come up with a clever way of enhancing workflow with graphics.

Folders still need improving. I wish Reaper would just adopt Nuendo's layout and graphic approach to folders. Tracks also need better type deliniation. The idea that any track can contain any media (yes, you can mix midi and audio data on the same track) is cool, but confusing for large projects. I need to be able to better distinguish midi from audio tracks at a glance, and have folders appear as folders, not remain parent tracks, and easily identifiable. Folders are a huge organizational timesaver in Nuendo, esp. when you have hundreds of tracks to contend with.

[norbury brook]

the way to differentiate tracks is to use either colours or a track icon.If you always colour your midi tracks brown for example and your audio tracks blue then that's an easy way,it's your choice :D

Folders in reaper are more than just holders for tracks,they act like busses too so putting your drum tracks into a folder also routes them to the folder like a bus.
I actually use folders a lot more in reaper than I do in Cubendo.Also form a management point of view REapers ability to hide tracks in the arrange/and/or mixer windows cuts down on a lot of clutter for me.

One other point V3.05 has had some great optimisations regarding performance, my 100 track test song has dropped form 60% CPU down to about 48% so tha's worth noting for anyone with an older version.


MC

[LEX]

No QA managers, no Dept Mgr looking over your shoulder, telling you what code to work on. No CEO giving you "direction" that you don't need. No CFO telling you how empty the coffers are.

Damn straight. In the old days, I was involved in a few projects like this. Some limiting factors are how long you can stay awake, how many times you can run "make" before you wig out, and how long your wife will continue to sleep with you if you're not...um...sleeping with her.

No MARKETING IDIOTS TO guide them into making new features over making old ones work.

LEX

[paulwr]

No MARKETING IDIOTS TO guide them into making new features over making old ones work.

LEX

+1 on that. I'll never understand that approach from an ethical standpoint, or a marketing one.

-Paul

[kdm]

Folders in reaper are more than just holders for tracks,they act like busses too so putting your drum tracks into a folder also routes them to the folder like a bus.
MC

Hi MC - yes, I did know that, and that is powerful in some respects, but at the moment, it is also a significant pain to setup with multichannel VSTi's. I can make it work, but it's much more time consuming to setup in Reaper, and requires more thought when moving between tracks working on midi parts - some of that is a matter of getting used to the way Reaper handles this, but some aspects could be made more convenient and faster to setup.

To differentiate track types, colors can work to a degree, but in my template I break down sections by color, so using colors for midi vs. audio wouldn't work as well. In my workflow, colors are a subset of track type, and icons are just an enhancement of either, but not a replacement for quick visuals of GUI similarities.

The potential is greater imo with Reaper's implementation, I would just like to see a built in option to speed up the process so I don't have to setup color codings to manage everything.

And coloring tracks also depends on the skin as well - color coding only works in the track title bar when the GUI uses an opaque tcp_bg graphic (v3 default skin ). Solvable, but it takes some tweaks to alter it for that use - not difficult by any means - but for quick visual of a 300+, multi-folder template, another graphic differentiation would greatly improve things, for me at least.

Reaper has incredible potential already built in, and it is developing at warp speed already, so I know some of this may just be a matter of time.

[kdm]

Actually, in thinking about it, just having an "autofill" of sorts for track types to use certain icons would be great. The customizable gui, colors and icons leave plenty of room for creating a look that works best for the individual user, as long as I don't have to select an icon for each track one by one. :-)

[norbury brook]

yes i don't think I've ever reached the heady heights of 300 tracks, but I know what you mean.

The VSTI thing is a bit wierd at first but I've just come back to trying Reaper V3 and I didn't find it a problem this time, its just a few more mouse clicks i think to organise the routing.However, you only need to do this once for your VSTI's and then just save them as a track template,that way its just one click to have stylus RMX and 8 channels all routed and ready to go.

I've been a staunch steinberg user all my working life but there's something about reaper that has me strangely enticed.

I did a project about 18 months ago on it and got up to speed,I remember going back to cubendo for the next project and finding it clunky,which surprised me as I thought I was fast.

I loved being able to move things around with the number pad 8 for up,2 for down, 4 and 6 for backwards and forwards zoom dependant, made comping very quick. I'd just make a time selection on a track,hit shift+s to snip the bit I wanted then hit the '2' or '8' key to drop it onto my comp track,no holding down ctrl and dragging to keep aligned :-)

Anyway it's certainly different :D

MC

[LEX]

Hi MC - yes, I did know that, and that is powerful in some respects, but at the moment, it is also a significant pain to setup with multichannel VSTi's. I can make it work, but it's much more time consuming to setup in Reaper, and requires more thought when moving between tracks working on midi parts - some of that is a matter of getting used to the way Reaper handles this, but some aspects could be made more convenient and faster to setup.

To differentiate track types, colors can work to a degree, but in my template I break down sections by color, so using colors for midi vs. audio wouldn't work as well. In my workflow, colors are a subset of track type, and icons are just an enhancement of either, but not a replacement for quick visuals of GUI similarities.

The potential is greater imo with Reaper's implementation, I would just like to see a built in option to speed up the process so I don't have to setup color codings to manage everything.

And coloring tracks also depends on the skin as well - color coding only works in the track title bar when the GUI uses an opaque tcp_bg graphic (v3 default skin ). Solvable, but it takes some tweaks to alter it for that use - not difficult by any means - but for quick visual of a 300+, multi-folder template, another graphic differentiation would greatly improve things, for me at least.

Reaper has incredible potential already built in, and it is developing at warp speed already, so I know some of this may just be a matter of time.

Well, remember unlike an unnamable, your request will be listened too.

I think Reaper needs more suggestions and advice from more power users at the moment.

Then, we'll see it rocket past Mars in a matter of months, not decades.

LEX

[kdm]

I've been a staunch steinberg user all my working life but there's something about reaper that has me strangely enticed.


Ditto.

re: key commands - Reaper does seem to have some advantages there already (some kc's that aren't in Nuendo that I have wanted for quite a while). I haven't had time to setup an xkeys profile and custom commands for a full session yet, but can see some great potential there.

There are other areas that also have me very interested as well.

Maybe sometime this summer I can block out to give Reaper a deeper run through.

[norbury brook]

I think part of the problem for a new user is to realise, Reaper is very powerful under the hood and it's also very customisable,so it's advisable to spend a couple of days setting it up how you want it to work.The key commands and macro's mean you can set up a very powerful workflow if you know what you want and I'm sure with an XKeys it would be superb. I'm thinking of getting one for this very reason,I'm still on the fence as to weather or not to start my next project in Reaper :-) if I do then an Xkeys and some time spent working out what i do most will be very useful in setting up a smooth and fast workflow.


MC

[kdm]

Highly recommend the x-keys, or two. Can't live without it, esp when I can put carpel tunnel-inducing 3 and 4 key commands and macros in it, saving the keyboard for shorter kc's.

[LEX]

Highly recommend the x-keys, or two. Can't live without it, esp when I can put carpel tunnel-inducing 3 and 4 key commands and macros in it, saving the keyboard for shorter kc's.

XKeys +10000.

Though, if I have to change my Xkeys layout, I have the big one, so that I can have N3 and reaper on the one.

It is also great for Pro Tools and works really well.
The cool thing about a Mac though is you can assign KC within the OS to work with any program, and it shows up in the menu too.

So anything that isn't assign in PT that I want, I do it in the OS and there it is.

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

REAPER 3.06 - July 20, 2009

Changes: Automation for the People

* Updated: 7/20/2009 10:40PST to rev 7759 (automation ripple bugfix)
* Automation: drag, copy and paste automation with items, within or across tracks
* Automation: improvements when "add envelope points when moving items" enabled (right-click env toolbar button)
* Automation: recording does not write redundant points (more efficient)
* Automation: improvements when "reduce envelope point data when recording automation" enabled
* Automation: FX envelope control panel buttons stay lit if parameter modulation or MIDI learn is active
* Automation: alt+click deletes an envelope point
* Automation: fixed send automation control panel display when writing or overriding automation
* Audio: audio device channel remapping/aliasing support, separate configuration for each audio device
* Recording: pre-roll monitors track media, action to toggle recording pre-roll
* Render: rendering stems supports writing project markers as cues
* Project: no prompt to save, or display project settings, when loading an existing project in a new tab
* Project: track auto-naming no longer skips leading numbers
* Preferences: more configurable track record parameters
* Performance: better RAM/CPU behavior with accidental feedback routing
* FX: cache undo states for plugins with slow save/load operations
* FX: fixed undo point creation when plugin shown in FX chain window
* FX: fixed memory leak when loading undo states for some VSTs
* FX: fixed parameter modulation save/load/undo problems
* FX: save parameter modulation with track templates/chains/paste
* FX: show total track PDC in FX button tooltip
* FX: performance meter shows PDC by track
* FX: fixed track/mixer FX param knob rotation range
* FX: fixed EastWest Play (and possibly other plugins) not showing GUI correctly
* FX: all IK plugins blacklisted from precise loop buffer handling (glitching at loop end is preferable to crashing)
* FX: UAD plugins are set offline after render (fixes rendering at different block size)
* ReaEQ: update settings on "reset band to +0 dB" context menu action
* MIDI: undo/redo no longer sends note-off to all tracks
* MIDI: fixed import of .mid files with trailing non-note events exactly on the beat
* MIDI: glue now supports text events
* MIDI inline editor: fixed inserting notes at mouse cursor, not advancing main edit cursor
* MIDI editor: action to invert current selection
* MIDI editor: fixed moving multiple notes in looped items via keyboard actions
* MIDI editor: fixed bug when adding sysex manually
* MIDI editor: text events are now pooled across items and copied with items
* MIDI editor: fixed initialization of lane combo boxes
* JS: many optimizations for JS that do MIDI only (no @sample code, or in_pin/out_pin:none)
* JS: midi_transpose works on notes that are sustaining when you move the sliders
* JS: support for longer line lengths for slider definitions
* JS: better support for locales that use , instead of . for decimal
* JS: update dropdown boxes on sliderchange call
* JS: fixed gfx_drawchar/gfx_drawnumber() not forcing screen update
* Actions: select any track 1-99 (ctrl: extend, shift: contiguous, alt: invert)
* Actions: set loop points to selected items
* GUI: user preference for drawing pretty filled automation envelopes
* GUI: optional/themeable editing guide lines when moving items
* GUI: shift + middle mouse button does hand-scroll (and user preferences for it)
* GUI: docker/project tabs show feedback when clicking close-tab buttons
* GUI: option to show solid edge on loop selection and/or time selection
* GUI: optimized screen drawing to reduce potential overdraws
* GUI: separate user preferences for antialiased peaks/waveforms vs. antialiased fades/envelopes
* GUI: fixed drawing crossfades when overlapping items are shown in lanes
* GUI: track meters hold peaks as low as -150 dB
* OSX: toolbar can be customized
* OSX: VST/AU with carbon views now hide properly when docked

that's alot of fixes and features in a couple of weeks!

[kdm]

Wow. Impressive. I'm starting to think this could become the DAW to beat in a couple of years or less.

[LEX]

Let's compare:

Steinberg's response to users complaint about app behavior.

http://cubendo.com/showthread.php?p=13242#post13242

Reaper's response to app Behavior:

http://cubendo.com/showpost.php?p=13216&postcount=88

Hmm.

Then again, the SB forum's aren't really support forums anyway.

LEX

[Animus]

REAPER 3.06 - July 20, 2009

Changes: Automation for the People

* Updated: 7/20/2009 10:40PST to rev 7759 (automation ripple bugfix)
* Automation: drag, copy and paste automation with items, within or across tracks
* Automation: improvements when "add envelope points when moving items" enabled (right-click env toolbar button)
* Automation: recording does not write redundant points (more efficient)
* Automation: improvements when "reduce envelope point data when recording automation" enabled
* Automation: FX envelope control panel buttons stay lit if parameter modulation or MIDI learn is active
* Automation: alt+click deletes an envelope point
* Automation: fixed send automation control panel display when writing or overriding automation
* Audio: audio device channel remapping/aliasing support, separate configuration for each audio device
* Recording: pre-roll monitors track media, action to toggle recording pre-roll
* Render: rendering stems supports writing project markers as cues
* Project: no prompt to save, or display project settings, when loading an existing project in a new tab
* Project: track auto-naming no longer skips leading numbers
* Preferences: more configurable track record parameters
* Performance: better RAM/CPU behavior with accidental feedback routing
* FX: cache undo states for plugins with slow save/load operations
* FX: fixed undo point creation when plugin shown in FX chain window
* FX: fixed memory leak when loading undo states for some VSTs
* FX: fixed parameter modulation save/load/undo problems
* FX: save parameter modulation with track templates/chains/paste
* FX: show total track PDC in FX button tooltip
* FX: performance meter shows PDC by track
* FX: fixed track/mixer FX param knob rotation range
* FX: fixed EastWest Play (and possibly other plugins) not showing GUI correctly
* FX: all IK plugins blacklisted from precise loop buffer handling (glitching at loop end is preferable to crashing)
* FX: UAD plugins are set offline after render (fixes rendering at different block size)
* ReaEQ: update settings on "reset band to +0 dB" context menu action
* MIDI: undo/redo no longer sends note-off to all tracks
* MIDI: fixed import of .mid files with trailing non-note events exactly on the beat
* MIDI: glue now supports text events
* MIDI inline editor: fixed inserting notes at mouse cursor, not advancing main edit cursor
* MIDI editor: action to invert current selection
* MIDI editor: fixed moving multiple notes in looped items via keyboard actions
* MIDI editor: fixed bug when adding sysex manually
* MIDI editor: text events are now pooled across items and copied with items
* MIDI editor: fixed initialization of lane combo boxes
* JS: many optimizations for JS that do MIDI only (no @sample code, or in_pin/out_pin:none)
* JS: midi_transpose works on notes that are sustaining when you move the sliders
* JS: support for longer line lengths for slider definitions
* JS: better support for locales that use , instead of . for decimal
* JS: update dropdown boxes on sliderchange call
* JS: fixed gfx_drawchar/gfx_drawnumber() not forcing screen update
* Actions: select any track 1-99 (ctrl: extend, shift: contiguous, alt: invert)
* Actions: set loop points to selected items
* GUI: user preference for drawing pretty filled automation envelopes
* GUI: optional/themeable editing guide lines when moving items
* GUI: shift + middle mouse button does hand-scroll (and user preferences for it)
* GUI: docker/project tabs show feedback when clicking close-tab buttons
* GUI: option to show solid edge on loop selection and/or time selection
* GUI: optimized screen drawing to reduce potential overdraws
* GUI: separate user preferences for antialiased peaks/waveforms vs. antialiased fades/envelopes
* GUI: fixed drawing crossfades when overlapping items are shown in lanes
* GUI: track meters hold peaks as low as -150 dB
* OSX: toolbar can be customized
* OSX: VST/AU with carbon views now hide properly when docked

that's alot of fixes and features in a couple of weeks!

lol It would take Steinberg a year for that and they would be late.

[Andrew J]

REAPER 3.1 - August 13, 2009

Changes: Better, stronger, faster.

* Actions: toggle show master tempo envelope
* Actions: faster actions to explode audio by channel, much faster actions to explode MIDI by channel or pitch
* Actions: separate actions to jump to previous/next beat/measure vs moving edit cursor only
* Actions: fixed occasional disappearing key shortcut
* Automation: fixed possible crash when deleting FX envelope
* Automation: shift+ctrl+drag locks envelope point move to either horizontal or vertical (like in MIDI editor)
* Bounce: display in transport displays bounced length
* Editing: fixed bug when moving items across hidden tracks
* GUI: significant CPU optimizations when drawing time selection, antialiased peaks, fades, envelopes, filled envelopes
* GUI: dim track I/O button when master/parent send disabled (themeable using track_io_dis and mcp_io_dis)
* GUI: fixed bug in HSV blend mode
* GUI: fixed edge line drawing for time/loop selections when decoupled
* GUI: fixed filled envelope clipping bug
* GUI: separate theme elements for fade quiet zone and fade area color fill
* JS: updated Liteon FX
* Media explorer: checkbox for starting media preview on the bar while project is playing back
* Media explorer: fixed context menu on Vista/Win7
* Media explorer: show preview graphics for MIDI items
* Metronome: fixed output selection menu
* MIDI editor: event filter stays on top, can be toggled on/off
* MIDI editor: CC lane dropdowns show which message types are currently in use
* MIDI editor: inserting notes in drum modes uses smaller of grid size or 32nd notes
* MIDI editor: view preference to always display note velocity
* MIDI editor: action to move edit cursor to play cursor
* MIDI editor: action to set selected note lengths to grid size
* MIDI editor: better paste-extends-source behavior when using unlooped items
* MIDI editor: no loop end marker for unlooped MIDI items
* MIDI editor: fixed clipboard leak in certain paste actions
* MIDI editor: fixed screen redraws/flashes when selecting notes in list view
* MIDI editor: action to import lyric events from text file
* MIDI editor: better display of text/sysex event editing vs adding, better copy-drag behavior
* MIDI editor: clicking empty space in the lane deselects text/sysex events
* MIDI editor: fixed copy/paste of text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed file-based MIDI item text/sysex event undo/redo
* MIDI editor: fixed memory leak when deleting text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed step sequencer note entry when inline editor is open
* MIDI editor: fixed text event editing on OS X
* MIDI editor: fixed text event hit testing in certain instances
* MIDI inline editor: actions dialog can now run actions
* MIDI: don't create a new MIDI item when punch recording if there is already a suitable item to record into
* MIDI: fixed overdub recording when extending source and record pdc disabled
* MIDI: record overdub/replace modes with record PDC disabled now compensated for track PDC
* OSX: default to Cocoa UI for AU plug-ins that support it
* OSX: fixed manually editing JS parameter values
* Peaks/waveforms: recording items are drawn more smoothly and consistently, update faster by default (configurable)
* Playback: preserve PDC delayed monitoring now compensates for both track and master/parent PDC
* Project: fixed project template being inserted when opening existing project in new tab
* Project: setting maximum project length prevents zooming out much past that length
* ReaEQ: more regular grid lines
* ReaFIR: more regular grid lines
* ReaVerb, ReaSamplomatic: now multi-project aware (for save-as with media)
* ReaSamplomatic: fixed noise bug with zero release time
* Recording: fixed recording pre-roll sample rounding problem
* Render: fixed render dialog peaks display when certain stem options set
* Render: more helpful error message if target directory does not exist
* Render: saving project to RPP via render dialog now adds project to recent list
* Render: Shup button sends to user default upload target
* Screensets: better multiproject track view support
* Screensets: screenset window now updates on save-project action
* Shutdown: cancelling save while Windows is shutting down cancels system shutdown
* Shutdown: more stable sequence with undo history open
* Solo: fixed glitches when unsoloing with routing and PDC
* Spaghetti cormorant
* TCP/Mixer: create sends by dragging IO button to another track
* TCP/Mixer: alt+click on IO button toggles master/parent send
* TCP: bulk mute/solo by dragging mute/solo button to another track
* Tempo envelope: snap points to grid when adding and snapping enabled
* VST: faster startup scan of plug-ins that have not changed
* VST: more efficient automation for new envelopes or envelopes with square point shape
* VST: correct return value for audioMasterAutomate




OS Requirements:

Windows (32-bit): Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7 or WINE (limited support for W98/ME).
Windows (64-bit): Windows XP/Vista/7 x64 (requires x64 compatible drivers and plug-ins).
OS X: 10.4 or 10.5, PPC or Intel (Intel recommended).

[TAFKAT]

These guys are on a roll... :clap:

I wonder if our Steini lurkers are watching this thread... :eusa_whistle:

[kdm]

Since it got deleted at N.com for being OT (and it was), I'll repost my observation here:

Reaper will add a video track, Decklink support and ADR overlay features before Nuendo adds it's planned ADR features (5.2?).

Another really freaky aspect of Reaper, when you update, you don't have to trash preferences, templates, etc. And it installs in 3 seconds, launches in 1.5. Weird.

[TAFKAT]

Another really freaky aspect of Reaper, when you update, you don't have to trash preferences, templates, etc. And it installs in 3 seconds, launches in 1.5. Weird.

Not to mention managing to install without flooding the registry with crap , the only other DAW I have seen do that is SAW.

SAW install was drag and drop folder into preferred directory .., you could pretty much do the same with Reaper.. :D

[kdm]

My favorite new feature is the Spaghetti cormorant.


* Solo: fixed glitches when unsoloing with routing and PDC
* Spaghetti cormorant
* TCP/Mixer: create sends by dragging IO button to another track

You don't see those often. Glad it's getting some much needed attention here.

[Andrew J]

Gotta say that one passed me by.

[UntamedSpirit]

One of the great things is, fixes are integrated into publicly available betas regularly for those that need them well before official updates like this.

This in contrast to the Steinberg approach of making public that fixes have been implemented in the betas and will be available to the user in ... ohhh, lets say 3 - 6 months.

Maybe a reintroduction of the public beta program at Steinberg would be a good thing

[kdm]

One of the great things is, fixes are integrated into publicly available betas regularly for those that need them well before official updates like this.

This in contrast to the Steinberg approach of making public that fixes have been implemented in the betas and will be available to the user in ... ohhh, lets say 3 - 6 months.

...or 12-18 months for a Nuendo fix compared to 12-18 days for Reaper.

[LUpton]

OK, I'll bite - What is a 'spaghetti cormorant'?

Some new italian pasta dish featuring a seabird? ...or did I miss the joke...

Larry

[MattiasNYC]

Paging dr Steinberg, paging dr Steinberg:

.......

..


.... hello?.....

... hello?...

[LEX]

The pace at which they are releasing updates for Reaper really make Reaper the DAW of the future.

Granted there are things that we still want it to do, but 18 days from version 3.06 to 3.10.

Wow.

Steinberg must be working hard on Sequel and Syncstation.

By the time Nuendo 5 is out, the non working version, Reaper will be deep into Version 4 and working.

LEX

[kdm]

OK, I'll bite - What is a 'spaghetti cormorant'?

Some new italian pasta dish featuring a seabird? ...or did I miss the joke...

Larry

I think it was included as a joke. Not sure I would want to try the pasta dish version.

[Dave P]

I actually find the pace of the Reaper updates annoying. I don't use it on a regular basis but it seems every time I do there is a new version to download (which I don't always bother with). OK if the updates are fixing problems and adding the occasional new feature but is there really that much wrong with it that we need an update per week? :eusa_think:

Also I just can't be bothered to wade through the swathe of changes and new features availabe all the time. Often it seems they are adding a new menu command or changing a preference that just ends up being confusing. :willy_nilly:

Now Steinberg is at the other extreme but at least you get used to working with a consistent platform. Somewhere in between Steinberg and Reaper for update times would be ideal.

[LEX]

I actually find the pace of the Reaper updates annoying. I don't use it on a regular basis but it seems every time I do there is a new version to download (which I don't always bother with). OK if the updates are fixing problems and adding the occasional new feature but is there really that much wrong with it that we need an update per week? :eusa_think:

Also I just can't be bothered to wade through the swathe of changes and new features availabe all the time. Often it seems they are adding a new menu command or changing a preference that just ends up being confusing. :willy_nilly:

Now Steinberg is at the other extreme but at least you get used to working with a consistent platform. Somewhere in between Steinberg and Reaper for update times would be ideal.

I think you are .01 percent of the user base that feels that way, and your job with Nuendo must be minimal at best.

Talk to the guys who use Nuendo to make their living!

I am sure they would be more than happy to BBQ you on the problems and issues they have dealt with over the past 2 years.

I am sure our combine billable hours would be 50 times your annual salary.

I am feeling a BETA drone here. It would be a typical response from a BETA drone who doesn't like updates.
Dealing with the work arounds in Nuendo is far more time consuming than a menu change.
That is the best you got?

Anyone else with me?

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

I actually find the pace of the Reaper updates annoying. I don't use it on a regular basis but it seems every time I do there is a new version to download (which I don't always bother with). OK if the updates are fixing problems and adding the occasional new feature but is there really that much wrong with it that we need an update per week? :eusa_think:

Also I just can't be bothered to wade through the swathe of changes and new features availabe all the time. Often it seems they are adding a new menu command or changing a preference that just ends up being confusing. :willy_nilly:

Now Steinberg is at the other extreme but at least you get used to working with a consistent platform. Somewhere in between Steinberg and Reaper for update times would be ideal.

the solution for you is pretty easy really.
Just check in whenever you think an update should be due, sounds like around 6 months by your own reckoning of somewhere in between Reaper and Nuendo.

Personally I prefer the rapid Reaper system of fixes available as they are implemented.

[Dave P]

No it would be more frequent than every 6 months. here's the release dates for the Version 2 'latest versions'...

REAPER v2.58 - March 16, 2009
REAPER v2.57 - March 11, 2009
REAPER v2.56 - March 2, 2009
REAPER v2.55 - January 20, 2009
REAPER v2.54 - December 22, 2008
REAPER v2.53 - October 17, 2008
REAPER v2.52 - October 12, 2008
REAPER v2.51 - September 26, 2008
REAPER v2.41 - July 16 2008
REAPER v2.4 - July 9 2008
REAPER v2.301 - June 3 2008
REAPER v2.3 - June 2 2008
REAPER v2.206 - May 8 2008
REAPER v2.205 - May 6 2008
REAPER v2.203 - April 26 2008
REAPER v2.202 - April 22 2008
REAPER v2.201 - April 7 2008
REAPER v2.2 - April 6 2008
REAPER v2.148 - March 31 2008
REAPER v2.147 - March 28 2008
REAPER v2.146 - March 25 2008
REAPER v2.14159 - March 14 2008
REAPER v2.108 - March 7 2008
REAPER v2.107 - March 4 2008
REAPER v2.106 - February 29 2008
REAPER v2.105 - February 26 2008
REAPER v2.104 - February 9 2008
REAPER v2.103 - February 6 2008
REAPER v2.102 - February 4 2008
REAPER v2.101 - February 1 2008
REAPER v2.100 - January 31 2008
REAPER v2.032 - January 24 2008
REAPER v2.031 - January 11 2008
REAPER v2.030 - January 8 2008
REAPER v2.029 - January 7 2008
REAPER v2.028 - January 4 2008
REAPER v2.027 - January 3 2008
REAPER v2.026 - December 29 2007
REAPER v2.025 - December 25 2007
REAPER v2.020 - December 21 2007
REAPER v2.019 - December 17 2007
REAPER v2.018 - December 14 2007
REAPER v2.017 - December 11 2007
REAPER v2.016 - December 7 2007
REAPER v2.015 - December 4 2007
REAPER v2.014 - November 28 2007
REAPER v2.013 - November 27 2007
REAPER v2.012 - November 23 2007
REAPER v2.011 - November 13 2007
REAPER v2.010 - November 3 2007
REAPER v2.009 - October 29 2007
REAPER v2.008 - October 27 2007
REAPER v2.007 - October 23 2007
REAPER v2.006 - October 21 2007
REAPER v2.005 - October 20 2007
REAPER v2.004 - October 19 2007
REAPER v2.003 - October 15 2007
REAPER v2.002 - October 13 2007
REAPER v2.001 - October 12 2007
REAPER v2.0 - October 10 2007

Seems a bit unecessary to me :icon_no: Unless there are loads of bugs that keep needing to be fixed. If it's mainly new features then I need a month or so. But yes I am a light user of Reaper so maybe I am the minority.

[Rome]

All these updates are not just about bugs. REAPER is a constantly growing application with an evolving feature set. It gets better and better with every version as every release and every new feature is tested and discussed by a huge user base in conjunction with the developers. Thus bugs fixes and optimizations are implemented almost instantly.

And that is the beauty of this system. The user has the choice. You don't have to update to the bleeding edge version if an older version works for you. Every update is fully optional. Just read the release notes and decide if the added feature set and the bug fixes of a release are worth the risk of breaking something. If not, just skip the version. Simple. If you only want to update twice a year you are free to do so too.

It is all about choice and communication.

[TAFKAT]

Most if not all of those updates are in direct response to issues reported by the end user base in the period previous to the last , and also its a 3 MB download that is simply run over the top of the previous installation , without fear of it killing previous preferences and configurations..

Absolute no brainer , if you don't need the regular updates , then update when ever you feel you want or need to.

I see that list of V2 updates and can only applaud , the version 3 updates schedule is equally as impressive.

I have had personal issues that I have reported to Justin privately, addressed within hours , were with Steinberg its more the case of any issues reported is dismissed and/or denied for years.

Not even in the same universe , Rock On Reaper !!

[kdm]

I guess for those of us waiting for years for Nuendo updates and even what could be simple "hot-fixes", Reaper is a bit like the "kid in a candy store" to see at least (I still use Nuendo mainly).

[MattiasNYC]

I actually find the pace of the Reaper updates annoying. I don't use it on a regular basis but it seems every time I do there is a new version to download (which I don't always bother with). OK if the updates are fixing problems and adding the occasional new feature but is there really that much wrong with it that we need an update per week? :eusa_think:

Also I just can't be bothered to wade through the swathe of changes and new features availabe all the time. Often it seems they are adding a new menu command or changing a preference that just ends up being confusing. :willy_nilly:

Now Steinberg is at the other extreme but at least you get used to working with a consistent platform. Somewhere in between Steinberg and Reaper for update times would be ideal.

Sorry dude, but that's a ridiculous argument. For two reasons:

1) As we all know most software contain bugs. As a professional it's our job to figure out if the features we need are being touted as included in the software we want to buy. Once we've bought it, the next step is to see if they are there and actually functioning correctly. If they aren't, we are owed by the manufacturer fixes to make it work according to how the product was said to work. The software either does what you need it to do or it doesn't. So in this case, your argument is weak, because you're simply "considering" that Reaper perhaps is more flawed because of all the updates. But the important point is "is it?". That's where we need to be in terms of discussing this particular point. Not; "is there really that much wrong with it that we need an update per week? ". Just use the software and you'll know.

2) With Reaper you have an option:

a) You update when they're available, to fix bugs and/or extend functionality.
b) You don't update because it's working fine for you.

So your concern about being annoyed has absolutely nothing to do with Reaper itself, or how the updates are being rolled out because you can choose yourself whether to update or not.

Compare this to SB where you're stuck waiting for years for features to get fixed in their most expensive product while they're dicking around with their least expensive products to sell to the non-pro's.......

If that difference isn't obvious.....!?....

[TAFKAT]

Another one..

REAPER 3.102 - August 15, 2009

Download:

* Windows (4.3MB installer)
* Windows x64 (4.7MB installer)
* OS X Intel (7.2MB DMG) beta
* OS X PPC (5.3MB DMG) beta



Changes: Better, stronger, faster.

* 3.102: OSX: Fixed MIDI explode by channel and pitch
* 3.102: OSX: Fixed scroll during track moving
* 3.102: Fixed issue with projects that reference missing .mid files
* 3.102: Fixed bugs relating to ghost midi clips
* 3.102: Fixed junk characters in some pan law dialogs
* 3.102: Added some missing default theme elements
* 3.102: Record PDC disabled track option now compensates for audio buffer size
* 3.102: Solo and SiF now work better with MIDI sends (unsoloed MIDI sends are not sent at all)
* 3.102: Allow 23.976 framerate for sync
* 3.101: Fixed high CPU use on zoomed-in recording items
* 3.101: Fixed grid line drawing of 1/3 beats
* Actions: toggle show master tempo envelope
* Actions: faster actions to explode audio by channel, much faster actions to explode MIDI by channel or pitch
* Actions: separate actions to jump to previous/next beat/measure vs moving edit cursor only
* Actions: fixed occasional disappearing key shortcut
* Automation: fixed possible crash when deleting FX envelope
* Automation: shift+ctrl+drag locks envelope point move to either horizontal or vertical (like in MIDI editor)
* Bounce: display in transport displays bounced length
* Editing: fixed bug when moving items across hidden tracks
* GUI: significant CPU optimizations when drawing time selection, antialiased peaks, fades, envelopes, filled envelopes
* GUI: dim track I/O button when master/parent send disabled (themeable using track_io_dis and mcp_io_dis)
* GUI: fixed bug in HSV blend mode
* GUI: fixed edge line drawing for time/loop selections when decoupled
* GUI: fixed filled envelope clipping bug
* GUI: separate theme elements for fade quiet zone and fade area color fill
* JS: updated Liteon FX
* Media explorer: checkbox for starting media preview on the bar while project is playing back
* Media explorer: fixed context menu on Vista/Win7
* Media explorer: show preview graphics for MIDI items
* Metronome: fixed output selection menu
* MIDI editor: event filter stays on top, can be toggled on/off
* MIDI editor: CC lane dropdowns show which message types are currently in use
* MIDI editor: inserting notes in drum modes uses smaller of grid size or 32nd notes
* MIDI editor: view preference to always display note velocity
* MIDI editor: action to move edit cursor to play cursor
* MIDI editor: action to set selected note lengths to grid size
* MIDI editor: better paste-extends-source behavior when using unlooped items
* MIDI editor: no loop end marker for unlooped MIDI items
* MIDI editor: fixed clipboard leak in certain paste actions
* MIDI editor: fixed screen redraws/flashes when selecting notes in list view
* MIDI editor: action to import lyric events from text file
* MIDI editor: better display of text/sysex event editing vs adding, better copy-drag behavior
* MIDI editor: clicking empty space in the lane deselects text/sysex events
* MIDI editor: fixed copy/paste of text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed file-based MIDI item text/sysex event undo/redo
* MIDI editor: fixed memory leak when deleting text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed step sequencer note entry when inline editor is open
* MIDI editor: fixed text event editing on OS X
* MIDI editor: fixed text event hit testing in certain instances
* MIDI inline editor: actions dialog can now run actions
* MIDI: don't create a new MIDI item when punch recording if there is already a suitable item to record into
* MIDI: fixed overdub recording when extending source and record pdc disabled
* MIDI: record overdub/replace modes with record PDC disabled now compensated for track PDC
* OSX: default to Cocoa UI for AU plug-ins that support it
* OSX: fixed manually editing JS parameter values
* Peaks/waveforms: recording items are drawn more smoothly and consistently, update faster by default (configurable)
* Playback: preserve PDC delayed monitoring now compensates for both track and master/parent PDC
* Project: fixed project template being inserted when opening existing project in new tab
* Project: setting maximum project length prevents zooming out much past that length
* ReaEQ: more regular grid lines
* ReaFIR: more regular grid lines
* ReaVerb, ReaSamplomatic: now multi-project aware (for save-as with media)
* ReaSamplomatic: fixed noise bug with zero release time
* Recording: fixed recording pre-roll sample rounding problem
* Render: fixed render dialog peaks display when certain stem options set
* Render: more helpful error message if target directory does not exist
* Render: saving project to RPP via render dialog now adds project to recent list
* Render: Shup button sends to user default upload target
* Screensets: better multiproject track view support
* Screensets: screenset window now updates on save-project action
* Shutdown: cancelling save while Windows is shutting down cancels system shutdown
* Shutdown: more stable sequence with undo history open
* Solo: fixed glitches when unsoloing with routing and PDC
* Spaghetti cormorant
* TCP/Mixer: create sends by dragging IO button to another track
* TCP/Mixer: alt+click on IO button toggles master/parent send
* TCP: bulk mute/solo by dragging mute/solo button to another track
* Tempo envelope: snap points to grid when adding and snapping enabled
* VST: faster startup scan of plug-ins that have not changed
* VST: more efficient automation for new envelopes or envelopes with square point shape
* VST: correct return value for audioMasterAutomate

[LEX]

I don't see the problem in quick fix releases.

This is astounding.

LEX

[Dave P]

Everything below the 3.101 improvements are the same changes listed for the 3.1 update repeated.

[LEX]

Everything below the 3.101 improvements are the same changes listed for the 3.1 update repeated.

Okay, lets see:


* Actions: toggle show master tempo envelope
* Actions: faster actions to explode audio by channel, much faster actions to explode MIDI by channel or pitch
* Actions: separate actions to jump to previous/next beat/measure vs moving edit cursor only
* Actions: fixed occasional disappearing key shortcut
* Automation: fixed possible crash when deleting FX envelope
* Automation: shift+ctrl+drag locks envelope point move to either horizontal or vertical (like in MIDI editor)
* Bounce: display in transport displays bounced length
* Editing: fixed bug when moving items across hidden tracks
* GUI: significant CPU optimizations when drawing time selection, antialiased peaks, fades, envelopes, filled envelopes
* GUI: dim track I/O button when master/parent send disabled (themeable using track_io_dis and mcp_io_dis)
* GUI: fixed bug in HSV blend mode
* GUI: fixed edge line drawing for time/loop selections when decoupled
* GUI: fixed filled envelope clipping bug
* GUI: separate theme elements for fade quiet zone and fade area color fill
* JS: updated Liteon FX
* Media explorer: checkbox for starting media preview on the bar while project is playing back
* Media explorer: fixed context menu on Vista/Win7
* Media explorer: show preview graphics for MIDI items
* Metronome: fixed output selection menu
* MIDI editor: event filter stays on top, can be toggled on/off
* MIDI editor: CC lane dropdowns show which message types are currently in use
* MIDI editor: inserting notes in drum modes uses smaller of grid size or 32nd notes
* MIDI editor: view preference to always display note velocity
* MIDI editor: action to move edit cursor to play cursor
* MIDI editor: action to set selected note lengths to grid size
* MIDI editor: better paste-extends-source behavior when using unlooped items
* MIDI editor: no loop end marker for unlooped MIDI items
* MIDI editor: fixed clipboard leak in certain paste actions
* MIDI editor: fixed screen redraws/flashes when selecting notes in list view
* MIDI editor: action to import lyric events from text file
* MIDI editor: better display of text/sysex event editing vs adding, better copy-drag behavior
* MIDI editor: clicking empty space in the lane deselects text/sysex events
* MIDI editor: fixed copy/paste of text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed file-based MIDI item text/sysex event undo/redo
* MIDI editor: fixed memory leak when deleting text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed step sequencer note entry when inline editor is open
* MIDI editor: fixed text event editing on OS X
* MIDI editor: fixed text event hit testing in certain instances
* MIDI inline editor: actions dialog can now run actions
* MIDI: don't create a new MIDI item when punch recording if there is already a suitable item to record into
* MIDI: fixed overdub recording when extending source and record pdc disabled
* MIDI: record overdub/replace modes with record PDC disabled now compensated for track PDC
* OSX: default to Cocoa UI for AU plug-ins that support it
* OSX: fixed manually editing JS parameter values
* Peaks/waveforms: recording items are drawn more smoothly and consistently, update faster by default (configurable)
* Playback: preserve PDC delayed monitoring now compensates for both track and master/parent PDC
* Project: fixed project template being inserted when opening existing project in new tab
* Project: setting maximum project length prevents zooming out much past that length
* ReaEQ: more regular grid lines
* ReaFIR: more regular grid lines
* ReaVerb, ReaSamplomatic: now multi-project aware (for save-as with media)
* ReaSamplomatic: fixed noise bug with zero release time
* Recording: fixed recording pre-roll sample rounding problem
* Render: fixed render dialog peaks display when certain stem options set
* Render: more helpful error message if target directory does not exist
* Render: saving project to RPP via render dialog now adds project to recent list
* Render: Shup button sends to user default upload target
* Screensets: better multiproject track view support
* Screensets: screenset window now updates on save-project action
* Shutdown: cancelling save while Windows is shutting down cancels system shutdown
* Shutdown: more stable sequence with undo history open
* Solo: fixed glitches when unsoloing with routing and PDC
* Spaghetti cormorant
* TCP/Mixer: create sends by dragging IO button to another track
* TCP/Mixer: alt+click on IO button toggles master/parent send
* TCP: bulk mute/solo by dragging mute/solo button to another track
* Tempo envelope: snap points to grid when adding and snapping enabled
* VST: faster startup scan of plug-ins that have not changed
* VST: more efficient automation for new envelopes or envelopes with square point shape
* VST: correct return value for audioMasterAutomate

[LEX]

* 3.102: OSX: Fixed MIDI explode by channel and pitch
* 3.102: OSX: Fixed scroll during track moving
* 3.102: Fixed issue with projects that reference missing .mid files
* 3.102: Fixed bugs relating to ghost midi clips
* 3.102: Fixed junk characters in some pan law dialogs
* 3.102: Added some missing default theme elements
* 3.102: Record PDC disabled track option now compensates for audio buffer size
* 3.102: Solo and SiF now work better with MIDI sends (unsoloed MIDI sends are not sent at all)
* 3.102: Allow 23.976 framerate for sync
* 3.101: Fixed high CPU use on zoomed-in recording items
* 3.101: Fixed grid line drawing of 1/3 beats
* Actions: toggle show master tempo envelope
* Actions: faster actions to explode audio by channel, much faster actions to explode MIDI by channel or pitch
* Actions: separate actions to jump to previous/next beat/measure vs moving edit cursor only
* Actions: fixed occasional disappearing key shortcut
* Automation: fixed possible crash when deleting FX envelope
* Automation: shift+ctrl+drag locks envelope point move to either horizontal or vertical (like in MIDI editor)
* Bounce: display in transport displays bounced length
* Editing: fixed bug when moving items across hidden tracks
* GUI: significant CPU optimizations when drawing time selection, antialiased peaks, fades, envelopes, filled envelopes
* GUI: dim track I/O button when master/parent send disabled (themeable using track_io_dis and mcp_io_dis)
* GUI: fixed bug in HSV blend mode
* GUI: fixed edge line drawing for time/loop selections when decoupled
* GUI: fixed filled envelope clipping bug
* GUI: separate theme elements for fade quiet zone and fade area color fill
* JS: updated Liteon FX
* Media explorer: checkbox for starting media preview on the bar while project is playing back
* Media explorer: fixed context menu on Vista/Win7
* Media explorer: show preview graphics for MIDI items
* Metronome: fixed output selection menu
* MIDI editor: event filter stays on top, can be toggled on/off
* MIDI editor: CC lane dropdowns show which message types are currently in use
* MIDI editor: inserting notes in drum modes uses smaller of grid size or 32nd notes
* MIDI editor: view preference to always display note velocity
* MIDI editor: action to move edit cursor to play cursor
* MIDI editor: action to set selected note lengths to grid size
* MIDI editor: better paste-extends-source behavior when using unlooped items
* MIDI editor: no loop end marker for unlooped MIDI items
* MIDI editor: fixed clipboard leak in certain paste actions
* MIDI editor: fixed screen redraws/flashes when selecting notes in list view
* MIDI editor: action to import lyric events from text file
* MIDI editor: better display of text/sysex event editing vs adding, better copy-drag behavior
* MIDI editor: clicking empty space in the lane deselects text/sysex events
* MIDI editor: fixed copy/paste of text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed file-based MIDI item text/sysex event undo/redo
* MIDI editor: fixed memory leak when deleting text/sysex events in list editor
* MIDI editor: fixed step sequencer note entry when inline editor is open
* MIDI editor: fixed text event editing on OS X
* MIDI editor: fixed text event hit testing in certain instances
* MIDI inline editor: actions dialog can now run actions
* MIDI: don't create a new MIDI item when punch recording if there is already a suitable item to record into
* MIDI: fixed overdub recording when extending source and record pdc disabled
* MIDI: record overdub/replace modes with record PDC disabled now compensated for track PDC
* OSX: default to Cocoa UI for AU plug-ins that support it
* OSX: fixed manually editing JS parameter values
* Peaks/waveforms: recording items are drawn more smoothly and consistently, update faster by default (configurable)
* Playback: preserve PDC delayed monitoring now compensates for both track and master/parent PDC
* Project: fixed project template being inserted when opening existing project in new tab
* Project: setting maximum project length prevents zooming out much past that length
* ReaEQ: more regular grid lines
* ReaFIR: more regular grid lines
* ReaVerb, ReaSamplomatic: now multi-project aware (for save-as with media)
* ReaSamplomatic: fixed noise bug with zero release time
* Recording: fixed recording pre-roll sample rounding problem
* Render: fixed render dialog peaks display when certain stem options set
* Render: more helpful error message if target directory does not exist
* Render: saving project to RPP via render dialog now adds project to recent list
* Render: Shup button sends to user default upload target
* Screensets: better multiproject track view support
* Screensets: screenset window now updates on save-project action
* Shutdown: cancelling save while Windows is shutting down cancels system shutdown
* Shutdown: more stable sequence with undo history open
* Solo: fixed glitches when unsoloing with routing and PDC
* Spaghetti cormorant
* TCP/Mixer: create sends by dragging IO button to another track
* TCP/Mixer: alt+click on IO button toggles master/parent send
* TCP: bulk mute/solo by dragging mute/solo button to another track
* Tempo envelope: snap points to grid when adding and snapping enabled
* VST: faster startup scan of plug-ins that have not changed
* VST: more efficient automation for new envelopes or envelopes with square point shape
* VST: correct return value for audioMasterAutomate

SO because they listed 3.102 fixes it is in with 3.1 fixes it is the same?
Read it again?

Drone! Yep.

LEX

[Dave P]

Maybe it's easier to read from the bottom of the list up. It was the spaghetti cormorant that gave it away. Unless I'm misunderstanding your post? The list of fixes for version 3.102 contains all the fixes for 3.1 as well. Not saying this is a problem but the list looks more impressive than it actually is.

[LEX]

It lists the additions in the 3.1+ update.

Perhaps they listed it that way for a reason. I don't see the problem.

Of the 5 percent of Nuendo users left, only about 2 percent of the upgraded to 4.3.

So what is your point of your post. Because of the constant delay of Nuendo's releases 95 percent of the user base has bailed.


Why is that good?

LEX

[Dave P]

No point really. I'm not a Steinberg fanboy or a Reaper fanboy. Just adding a bit of logic to the argument. For sure I'd like to see Steinberg get their act together some more. But the Cockos guys can use their own brand of marketing spin to good effect by this kind of thing. There is an element of making it up as he goes along which I can't see lasting forever. There has to be some kind of consolidation, which i guess does happen to some extent at the whole number revisions. We'll see.

Personally I'm doubtful about upgrading to Nuendo 5. Looking like I may go to Cubase 5. If Reaper works its way into my system though I may never go back or up.

[LEX]

No point really. I'm not a Steinberg fanboy or a Reaper fanboy. Just adding a bit of logic to the argument. For sure I'd like to see Steinberg get their act together some more. But the Cockos guys can use their own brand of marketing spin to good effect by this kind of thing. There is an element of making it up as he goes along which I can't see lasting forever. There has to be some kind of consolidation, which i guess does happen to some extent at the whole number revisions. We'll see.

Personally I'm doubtful about upgrading to Nuendo 5. Looking like I may go to Cubase 5. If Reaper works its way into my system though I may never go back or up.

Far enough. Considering Nuendo is basically a ghost now, Reaper has caught the attention of ALOT of other DAW users.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with updates. The more the better and as stated, you don't have to update.

Nuendo 5, I doubt there is going to be alot of people who upgrade to it. Maybe toward the end of its life cycle, but in the beginning maybe a handful of people.

The majority of users will use 4.3, and wait for the rest of the beta (public beta) to complete itself.
This says alot about the product.

Reaper on the other hand, you know you can state a problem and not be ignored and it will likely be fixed in the next update.

That is service. That alone has driven a bunch of Nuendo users to Reaper. Fredo has driven and bunch as well as to Digi.

LEX

[Andrew J]

But the Cockos guys can use their own brand of marketing spin to good effect by this kind of thing.

They only ever repeat items like this when they do a quick fix just after a new release. You can tell when they do this because they use the 3rd digit after the decimal point.

They don't repeat items when they do updates where the 2nd digit after the decimal point changes.

[LEX]

They only ever repeat items like this when they do a quick fix just after a new release. You can tell when they do this because they use the 3rd digit after the decimal point.

They don't repeat items when they do updates where the 2nd digit after the decimal point changes.

Even smarter.

[kdm]

This is basically a 3.101/102 hotfix for things they found after putting 3.1 out - something we never see with Nuendo. We just wait 18 months for the next "n.y" release.

[Rome]

REAPER 3.103 - August 27, 2009

Changes: Morsels of goodness

* x64 version: 32-bit VST bridging support
* MIDI list editor: fixed possible duplicate event creation when filter on
* Render: disabled opening project from shell during render
* MIDI list editor: fixed inline editing of pitch values
* VST: better audioMasterGetOutputLatency reporting when stopped
* VST: reverted 3.1 optimization that seemed to cause problems with a few plug-ins
* VST: special case for Fretted Synth

Especially the first point is interessting.

[TAFKAT]

The second last one is also interesting,

They had tried some optimisations that proved not beneficial in some instances, and simply reverted back to the earlier state . Compare that to Steini fixing one thing while breaking 2 , and then waiting x amount of months to address it.

I wonder how efficient the 32 Bitbridge is , time for some testing..

[LEX]

The second last one is also interesting,

They had tried some optimisations that proved not beneficial in some instances, and simply reverted back to the earlier state . Compare that to Steini fixing one thing while breaking 2 , and then waiting x amount of months to address it.

I wonder how efficient the 32 Bitbridge is , time for some testing..

Well it takes SB x months to figure out there is a problem, even though it is widely reported.
Then once they "give in" to it and realize they can't sweep the bug under the rug it takes another x months to find where that part of the code is in the software.

Then once they locate it, they have to figure out how to re program it.

It is kind of like a dog chasing its tail. Once it knows it is there, it will go in circles until dizzy and stops.
Then do it again until it forgets there is a tail there.

LEX

[kdm]

It just doesn't get much more impressive in the audio world than what Reaper is doing.

Steinberg and even Apple (Logic) should be embarrassed at the snail's pace they are moving at with fixes by comparison.

[Rome]

Yes. I find it amazing to see how Justin (the owner/developer of Reaper) constantly releases intermediate versions of the brand new 64/32bit bridge when customers report problems with some plugins. And everything happens in the public - visible to everyone, no harmful words, no aggressions and no thread erasing.

[kdm]

I've had problems with some plugins in Nuendo for over 2 years now, and Omnisphere for almost a year (have barely used it since I got it last fall), and still no fixes from any involved developers.

All are fine in Reaper though, and when there are problems for some users (not even for *all* users), Justin fixes them in a few days at most.

I know it really can't be that difficult to fix some of the bugs in Nuendo - the process is what is killing Steinberg, at least in terms of speed and effectiveness at addressing customer needs vs. marketing illusions.

[Rome]

REAPER 3.104 - August 29, 2009

Changes: Incremental love

* MIDI editor: fixed shift+click for multiple selection in piano roll
* MIDI editor: fixed unlooped item marquee selection past end of item
* Updated libvorbis to 1.2.3
* Temporary removal of experimental VST bridging

[Softy]

I've had problems with some plugins in Nuendo for over 2 years now, and Omnisphere for almost a year (have barely used it since I got it last fall), and still no fixes from any involved developers.

All are fine in Reaper though, and when there are problems for some users (not even for *all* users), Justin fixes them in a few days at most...

And I for one am really going to try to live with Reaper as my DAW. I'm going to see whether or not I can take the position that whatever it doesn't have (yet), I can live without, even though I have had no takers on my Nuendo license. Life's too short for me to spend it fiddling around with software bugs in a piece of code from a company that doesn't care about addressing my requirements.

[LEX]

And I for one am really going to try to live with Reaper as my DAW. I'm going to see whether or not I can take the position that whatever it doesn't have (yet), I can live without, even though I have had no takers on my Nuendo license. Life's too short for me to spend it fiddling around with software bugs in a piece of code from a company that doesn't care about addressing my requirements.

Well that's my take sort of.

I hope at once there would be and "all in one" DAW, but there isn't.

So I've moved to multiple.

Nuendo 3 for Midi. Even though I own Cubase 5, currently with the crappy automation system that is in it, it isn't even worth the upgrade.
There is really no point in upgrading to Nuendo4 for me as there is still a ton of issues and problems, even though 4.3 is a solid release based on the user base.

Pro Tools for post production completely. All editing and delivery is in PT and will never change.
Doesn't matter what they put in N5, I'll never go to Nuendo at this point for Post.
It is a huge waste of time, and Steinberg doesn't understand, still, the needs of a Post Production house.

Reaper. While I still have some operational issues with Reaper, Reaper is my "DAW to watch", and my sound design DAW.
Eventually, I'll probably move to mixing in reaper instead of Nuendo or Cubase, because it just works.

There comes a time when you have to ask yourself if it is worth the time to deal with all the problems, the non support, non updates, and an arrogant unofficial forum staff.

Steinberg had an opportunity to really shine IMO, but the decided to take the "user is wrong" path and basically shove a stick up everyones ass.

Unfortunately, I doubt this will change so there is only one choice.

Move on to something, in part basically all Audio, to a company that understands and updates based on the REAL WORLD user needs, not some marketing guys "Idea" which 99 percent of the time, doesn't work or isn't a real need anyway, considering the real needs are left out of the program.

And the users have been asking for years for it.

Bottom line. Getting work done, or losing time trying to figure out why it doesn't work right.

As stated before, I'm out of the Steinberg business. Midi wise, I don't know yet.
I may eventually migrate to C5. But currently it is kind of worthless as well.

Had they done the automation right, I'd probably use it. At this point, it is the same as it was in C4.
The new automation panel is just a gimmick, and completely worthless.
Total crap.

So, I don't blame you for wanting to move to something that actually has working features, and a company that understands the needs of their users.

Steinberg. They don't give 2 shits about their users. We are all suckers in their eyes and we all don't know what we are talking about either.

LEX

[shanabit]

Lex,

I think youve got it down. So true

[Mfx]

Got to say (hope not out of line) I have used cubase since mid 90's, vst, mainly for midi and recording externally. Went to SX3 thanks to a h2o but was never quite satisfied with any sequencer/audio recorder on the market. Loyalty got the better of me and went from C4 then to C5...regretting it but then there isn't a lot out there that seems to be a decent alternative. Reaper seems to be the flavour of choice at the moment...but I am not going to spend more money until I can see it is really worth it.

So C5 for the moment and if C6 upgrade is more than £100 when it arrives then my money will probably go to another company.

In my view SB seem to be taking the wrong direction as far as end users requirements. They seem to miss a lot of features that are on the horizon and not invest properly in the right people to get released features working.

Better routing on the mixer interface/adaptability of the channels it to move 1 strip manually to another possition, j-bridge ompatibility, inserts for vsti's and I am sure the list goes on. I love the routing possibilities in Reason but the sequencer is shite and rewire is hardly magic or reliable when saving projects. The pseudo intelligence of parts within tracks (ie a sample name in grooveagent is assigned to a key yet open beat designer and everything has to be relabelled), saving settings or exporting projects and its components is missing yet very important for backing up projects or to transport to another PC. Ableton live for its audio manipulation and different approach to mixing is amazing but I find the midi implementation slack. Yet all these functions should really be present and slick in cubase.

Maybe reaper will be the next step...we will see...I would like to see better integration of all the core components within any DAW.

Overall my utopia is nowhere for my money...but to be creative with sound I can still take the wooden spoon, pots and pans and make some noise like I did when I was 5 years old!

Shame SB have taken the wooden spoon by natural selection - wonder if theyl'l wake up and focus on development rather than markerting, after all their promotion at NAMM of loopmash and vari vocal was diabolical.

I like to ramble - now back to the muse....


ref wooden spoon

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/576.html

[TAFKAT]

REAPER 3.11 - September 20, 2009

Changes: Automation drawing, plug-in firewalling, lots of other goodness

* Automation: freehand envelope drawing (ctrl+drag by default, optionally ctrl+alt+drag)
* Multiproject: support for playing background projects with current, option to sync start times
* Take: realtime reverse take
* Toolbar: arm a custom toolbar button by right-clicking, click an item in the arrange view to run it
* VST: configurable bridging/firewalling on x64 and x86 (prefs/VST, per VST option in FX browser)
* Action: crossfade any overlapping selected items
* Action: toggle master track and tempo envelope visibility together
* Action window: allow removal of multiple key bindings at once
* ASIO: fixed compatibility with Zoom R16 (and possibly other devices)
* Automation: envelope data reduction during recording is now on by default
* Automation: add a point anywhere in an envelope lane by clicking
* Automation: envelope lanes now respect locking
* CD burning: better gapless CD image generation, more accurate marker/region track generation
* CD burning: allow recording multiple copies from single render, better error messages
* Cleaner display of track information on routing/fx/envelope windows/tooltips/etc
* Editing: fixed shift+click for multiple selection in arrange view
* Editing: do not allow track envelopes to move vertically when ripple edit is enabled
* Fades: option to disable autofades/autocrossfades for MIDI items
* FX autobuild routing: clearer indication that cancelling autobuild will still load the FX
* FX chains: loading FX chains will search the path of the .rfxchain for media files (for reasamplomatic/reaverb)
* FX window: UTF-8 support for preset/program combo boxes
* Help: useful information (info or context sensitive help) displayed below TCP section
* JS: fixed a bug causing potential crashes when parameters automated
* JS: new slider() function to get a slider by index (values 1..64)
* License keys: updated text for non-commercial to be more accurate (personal/small business)
* Loop recording: fixes for rounding errors causing items to be slightly too long
* MCU: better support for emulated surfaces that do not notify touch state
* Media explorer: menu options to enable RPP preview, disable tempo sync
* MIDI editor: velocity lane editing affects only selected notes if there is a selection visible
* MIDI editor: show MIDI track input on piano keys
* MIDI editor: less eager to show empty space to the left of the MIDI item
* MIDI editor: fixed drawing controller data over existing data on another channel
* MIDI editor: actions to move to previous/next lyric
* MIDI editor: fixed blinking cursor reappearing when offscreen
* MIDI: in-project MIDI preview should now interrupt audio less
* Mixer: improved extended mixer FX context menu layout
* OSX: fixed low latency MIDI output mode
* OSX: fixed menu key binding labels
* OSX: fixed MIDI note name editing
* OSX: AU compatibility improvements
* OSX: fixed key assigning special keys in actions window
* OSX: fixed keyboard navigation in file open/save dialogs
* OSX: holding shift during startup now prevents REAPER from loading last project (like on Win32)
* OSX: fixed routing dialog scroll issues on 10.4
* Pan: allow settings as low as +1/-1% with control+drag
* Peak building now handles multiple projects nicely
* Pencil mode: obey loop preference when drawing empty MIDI item
* Project settings: project media browse dialog better deals with relative paths
* ReaSamplomatic5000: ability to fully buffer smaller audio samples (better performance)
* ReaSamplomatic5000: removed pan automation zipper noises
* ReaSamplomatic5000: volume/rate/etc automation now affects playing samples
* ReaSamplomatic5000: parameter for MIDI pitch bend amount (default is 2 semitones, can do up to 12)
* ReaSamplomatic5000: safer thread-source management
* ReaSamplomatic5000: notify undo state when sample changed
* ReaVerb: less RAM use during file loading
* Safer memory management in undo, ReaVerb, and other areas
* Snap: relative snap support
* Snap: when grid-snap settings follow visible grid, do not snap if grid is not visible
* Selection: faster selection of multiple tracks in some cases where other windows are open
* Take: fixes/improvements to loop section
* TCP: Fixed track VU meter glitch
* TCP/mixer: mousewheel support on FX knobs and sends
* Tempo markers: manual edit of position defaults to timeline units (bars.beats, min:sec, etc)
* Undo: fixed multiproject undo system bugs
* Undo window: safer destroy on exit
* User preference: default track height in new projects, set to medium (was small) by default
* Virtual MIDI keyboard: arrow keys can be passed through to main window
* VST: per instance option to disable PDC
* VST: safer preset changes with some buggy plugins
* Windows Vista/7: validate ini file path before using (to ensure that it is writeable)
* Windows: fixed some issues with long strings in text boxes


:D

[kdm]

heh - might be fun to request one item from this list for Cubendo and see how long it takes.... lol.

[paulwr]

I hope he gets deeping into the midi. Cubase was driving me nuts over back to back 16 hr days with mute/solo glithes.

The things I use the logical editor for with shortcuts...... I don't want to be without. If he had those, I'd be seriously considering it.

Still, I think I'll try some audio mixes on it over the coming weeks when I have more time to mess around.

-Paul

[UntamedSpirit]

for those not familiar with REAPER, you may want to download the 2 extension dll's for extended workflow features which can be found here (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/resources.php)

[LEX]

for those not familiar with REAPER, you may want to download the 2 extension dll's for extended workflow features which can be found here (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/resources.php)

These add SERIOUS workflow updates to Reaper.

DAMN! Thought Reaper was powerful.. It just got 100 time more powerful.

LEX

[The Guru]

You know, for what I do with MIDI I'll bet Reaper would suffice. :eusa_think:

Time to download the demo. :icon_yes:

[paulwr]

I like the looks of the those third part add-on's
Love the track list idea. I like a tidy layout.

That's it. I have to do some reconfiguring anyway, and I'm setting up the latest Reaper with the add-ons and will try some real world mixing with it.

-Paul

[Captain Caveman]

The plugin firewalling is an excellent idea. Plugins can be individually tagged in the FX browser to run as...

Seperate Process - a process that runs all plugins set to this in different process from host.
Dedicated Process - a new, individual process for each plugin set to this.
Native - in the main host process like every other host.

... I can confirm that it works and a plugin that will crash on load up is allowed to die without affecting anything else.

I'm going to give this a good try out, the last time I did was with the v3 pre-release which was a work in progress and I never liked v2.x.

Any more of this and the forum will have to be renamed Cubeardo or something. :)

[norbury brook]

I've been playing around with V3 for a couple of months now.I've bought a behringer BCF and BVR2000.With the BCR I have my go to EQ's;URS neve,API and Channle strip pro along with T-Racks pultec mapped to the knobs. When I open the plugin GUI I can control my plugs with the BCR,Reaper just lets the hardware only control whichever plug's GUI is open.

On the BCF I use one of the extensions mentioned to hide/show selected tracks,so if I want to say, work on 6 drum tracks along with bass DI and mic, I just select those tracks then hit a key and everything else dissapears in the TCP and Mixer and my BCF jumps to those tracks only.

I really miss those things when I work in Cubendo :D


MC

[Rome]

v3.12 - October 3 2009

Changes: REX and CD burning for all platforms, lots of other goodies

+ Automation lanes: fixed possible crash when removing FX parameter envelopes
+ CD burning: fixes to native XP mode track divisions
+ Extensions API: GetSetMediaItemInfo() fixes for fade shape settings
+ Fade drawing: when using full-area filling, fixed drawing when zoomed in
+ FX: per-FX buggy plugin compatibility mode (assumes plugin is not threadsafe, needs constant precleaned buffers, etc)
+ Hardware outputs: post-fader track outputs obey track polarity control
+ MIDI editor: show notes pressed as long as the input note is pressed
+ OSX: improved drag/drop support
+ OSX: support for control+alt+drag to render to new file (drag to desktop, finder, sampler, etc)
+ OSX: CD burning support
+ OSX: REX support
+ OSX: special casing for POD Farm VST misreporting view type (VST 2.4 should be composited view)
+ OSX: fix for some AUs that do not export automatable parameters until after audio streams are initialized
+ OSX: added correct file locking to prevent writing files open for read
+ Pencil mode: fixed fade/autofade settings for newly drawn media items
+ ReaControlMIDI: support for raw mode (0-127 access to all CC messages)
+ ReaControlMIDI: envelopes and TCP knobs report the same value as the slider (0-127, 0-16383, or on/off)
+ ReaControlMIDI: support for storing/sending sysex dumps up to 64KB
+ ReaScript: run Python or Perl scripts that call Reaper API functions
+ ReaScript: assign reascripts to key commands or toolbar buttons
+ VST bridging: optimized plug-ins that call for tempo information
+ VST bridging/firewalling: per plug-in option to embed UI (not as compatible, less crash-resilient)
+ VST: safer querying of text strings from certain plug-ins
+ Win32: async file reading now has more grace on error
+ Win32: file locking improvements (no longer allow writing to media files that are open and online in REAPER, etc)
+ x64: VST bridging performance improvements, ReaRoute performance improvements
+ x64: will now use same config path as x86 (unless appdata/REAPER64 is valid)
+ x64: REX support (via bridging)
+ x64: fix for certain (broken) ASIO drivers

---

I love it - All other DAW vendors moan and point at Propellerheads to release a working 64bit version of the REX-file functions and Reaper just bridges the 32bit version in the meantime. Brilliant. :098:

The embedded scripting engine is cool too. This might lead to massive increase of available extensions. :icon_biggrin:

[UntamedSpirit]

REAPER 3.13 is up!!!


* Action: insert multiple tracks
* API: added functions: AddProjectMarker, DeleteProjectMarker
* Automation: new volume/pan envelopes display the current track fader value
* Crossfades: fixed auto-crossfade when control+drag copying items
* FLAC: fixed multichannel read support
* FX chains: automatically increase track channel count when loading FX chains that use more channels
* Glue: special fade handling when gluing multiple items starting or ending at the same time
* Mixer: consistent scroll behavior regardless of number of tracks, autoscroll to newly added tracks
* Master: no reset of master mono/stereo setting after automatically muting on overload
* Media items: button to display item properties, by default shown only when the item is resampled
* Media explorer: configurable default-handling of project files, better context menus
* Media explorer: filter fixes
* Menus: most commonly used menus can be customized (add/remove actions, submenus, rename menu items)
* Menus: menu customizations can be imported/exported to file
* MIDI editor: user preference to flash keyboard notes on track input note-on
* MIDI editor: setting to snap note ends to grid when snap enabled
* MIDI editor: fixed snapping bug when following project beats and grid is 1/4 note triplets
* MIDI editor: better keyboard handling in text fields
* Mousewheel: fixed control+mousewheel for fine slider moves in parameter modulation and send windows
* Mute/solo: setting via right-click follows selection/grouping unless overridden with shift key
* OSX: preliminary media explorer
* OSX: fixes for file browse dialog with certain paths
* OSX: vast keyboard system fixes and improvements
* OSX: fixed main window actions working in undocked transports
* OSX: disk reading does not use F_NOCACHE on remote filesystems
* OSX: virtual MIDI keyboard fixes
* OSX: fixes to mixer autoscrolling
* OSX: midi list editor supports in-list editing
* OSX: fixed visual glitch with docker
* Peak building: optimizations (50-150% faster on .wav files in our tests)
* Peaks: when using alternate peak path, put peaks in numbered subdirectories for better performance
* Peaks: low quality preview peaks during building are now are more consistent with finished peaks
* Peaks: aborted peak generation removes partial (invalid) peak files
* Project load: replacing files with different types will scan for the same file type for other missing files
* Project/template load: current working directory defaults to project/template path
* ReaScript: added GetTrackState, expanded html help, set undo point after script executes
* ReaScript: capture Python compile-time and run-time error messages for display
* ReaScript: fixed get/set of integer-type track, item, or take parameters
* Take names: automatically focus take name field when displaying item properties
* TCP: Drag and drop routing now autoscrolls
* TCP/Mixer: autoscroll to tracks selected via action or control surface
* Track icons: optionally set all tracks to the same width when any track icons are used
* Undo system: greatly reduced memory use when loading undo history from file
* VST: fix for bridged/firewalled plug-ins with track controls visible
* VST: added MIDI output mode to merge output with input (for groove players, arpeggiators, etc)
* VST extensions: support for effString2Parameter (mostly for readable manual editing of envelope points)
* VST MIDI: fixed hanging note bug from synthedit and possibly other plugins that generate MIDI
* Windows: drag and drop of files out of REAPER now better supports unicode characters
* Windows: try to prevent bad plugins from quitting REAPER
* x64: ReWire support (master/mixer only)

2 weeks worth of fixes and features. At least we know they are actually working on REAPER and not some offshoot project that allows for an update of the flagship every 6 months or so :wink:

[Rome]

:D :D

Great stuff on this list, especially the menu customization is brilliant - no more cluttered menus. :icon_biggrin:

But what I really love are the minor fixes that show how the developers listen to the user base. Ie the small enhancement "Take names: automatically focus take name field when displaying item properties" just makes the application flow when cutting and arranging items. Wonderful. Compare this to the clumsy keyboard handling of the new Cubase5 dialogs where you have to stomp on the tab key a thousand times just to reach the OK button (export dialog comes to mind among several others). And nobody cares at Stonehenge. :eusa_wall:

[LEX]

WOW!

While SB works on their dongle, Reaper will move into the future.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Justin and the boys just keep on rolling... :clap:

FWIW, multiple new clients as well as a youth education program all deciding to run with Reaper this week, without any prompting or input from me except to endorse their decision to run with it.

Its growing out there , especially in some sectors of the education market.

[shanabit]

Its my backup DAW at the moment. I wish they would get the MAC version on equal parity with the PC version since Im still on the Mac for the moment

[Rome]

Reaper has taken over my laptop almost completely after the latest updates. It just gets better and better. Cubase is installed too on this machine but it doesn't get much use anymore. It just feels good sitting in a train or plane and play around with some musical ideas without having to worry about a little blue 2k€ wart sticking out of the back of the computer.

This way I can bury my dongle deep in my suitcase or leave it at home all together.

[LEX]

Been asking for this one:

* Action: insert multiple tracks

Great that they can accommodate.

LEX

[kdm]

But it is limited to 10 at a time.

[Rome]

3.14 - November 6, 2009

Changes: Rounding things out nicely

+ Action: show/hide all floating windows
+ API: added functions for sending commands to the active MIDI editor window
+ API: added register("command_id_lookup") to find extension actions
+ API: added functions to retrieve track/take envelopes
+ API: added MIDI_eventlist_Create, MIDI_eventlist_Destroy
+ API: added GetSetTrackState, GetSetItemState, GetSetEnvelopeState
+ API: fixed extension shortcut problem
+ Automation: fixed action to set envelope lane fader from MIDI controller
+ Automation: more consistent behavior for new envelopes picking up the fader value in non-trim mode
+ Auto-crossfades: fix for some crossfades not being reset when moving multiple items across tracks
+ Batch converter: new facility to convert media in bulk, optionally applying FX
+ Custom menus: main MIDI menus can be customized, other improvements
+ Custom menus: import/export/reset individual menus along with entire sets
+ Custom toolbar: support adding extension actions to toolbar
+ DX: fix for synths dropping the first MIDI note
+ Live performance: FX multiprocessing optimization
+ Media item resampling/pitch shift modes: not switched when switching projects
+ MIDI editor: Fixed adding text/sysex events not extending source length when past end
+ OSX: fixed issues with mouse focus in TCP
+ OSX: nicer disk image
+ OSX: various menu improvements/fixes
+ OSX: preliminary video support
+ OSX: alternate VST cache/path config for PPC vs Intel
+ Peaks: fixed recording peaks interpolation accuracy and corner-case crash when recording
+ Prefs/Media/MIDI: Improved behavior when all-notes-off when un-record-arming a track disabled
+ Project/template file save: better detection and handling of failed disk writes
+ ReaSamplomatic5000: Configurable per-instance resample mode
+ Render queue: resizeable
+ Track height: default for new projects can be set via File/Proj Settings/Save as default or Prefs/Projects/Default
+ Track renaming: better support for tabbing through tracks when envelope panels visible
+ Video: improved scrubbing support
+ Video: handling of multiple items improved (later items, higher track numbers prioritized)
+ Windows: Fixed font used in some dialogs for ClearType (OGG rendering, etc)

[Jonesy]

Is Reaper still beta on Mac?

[TAFKAT]

Hey Stev,

Yeh it is, but don't let that stop you, at least its an official public BETA , unlike some others .. :eusa_whistle:

[shanabit]

Hey Stev,

Yeh it is, but don't let that stop you, at least its an official public BETA , unlike some others .. :eusa_whistle:

Its still in the SUCK stage on the Mac, trust me, Im using a Mac here and it blows right now, I dont use it, just keep updating it

I bought it for a portable recording DAW

[kdm]

Used 3.13 on a location recording last night (choir recording to pop/R&B track) as I didn't have time to load up Cubase/Nuendo and didn't want to risk the dongle. Took 4 reboots to get it to finally work with the RME Fireface on my laptop. Locked up twice after that.

Take handling has some good ideas, but overall, it sucks. It's a pain having to drag out partial take fragments to see where overwritten takes are. I'm sure there is a way to work with it - such as always recording in specific sections (loop-based tracking), overdub points, and never starting a recording part way back into a previous take, etc, but for record-as-you-go pressure sessions, not good.

Reaper has some great features, great ideas, and great development speed, but it just doesn't operate like it was developed for, or by, professional audio engineers with a sense for workflow.

[shanabit]

Ill probably get Studio One as my OTHER DAW eventually.

[kdm]

I'll probably either use Studio One or just take the risk traveling with Cubase's USB key.

[Andrew J]

Took 4 reboots to get it to finally work with the RME Fireface on my laptop. Locked up twice after that.

Mmmm, that's strange. The only time I've ever had stability issues with Reaper were with incompatible plugins causing poofs (plugins were betas under development).

[TAFKAT]

Hey Dedric,

Bummer to hear you had such a bad time of it with Reaper on the location gig, so I take it the Fireface/Notebook combo has worked perfectly on location gigs before ?

FWIW: I have a Reaper/RME MADI powered i7 rig installed in the Recital Center here in Melbourne, doing mission critical classical recordings, huge track counts, hours at a time, without a hitch , but obviously that is not a mobile rig, as such, although it can be moved around if needed.

It would be interesting to nail down what is causing the glitch.

[kdm]

Reaper worked fine with the Fireface in the studio - tested it and setup my routing, I/O, tracks, etc before the session - tested it a few times actually - maybe some other device that was no longer connected (LAN, Skype phone, etc) was interferring with ASIO init.

At first I feared the firewire port had gone south during transport, setup. Not sure why it had problems - connections were fine, but maybe it was just stuck in a weird state until a few reboots cleared it.

Didn't really blame Reaper for that. A laptop config isn't my idea of ultimate reliability for a critical session, but there wasn't budget to rent a hardware hybrid setup, or more preferrably, a location engineer to track for me so I could direct.

My biggest complaint with Reaper on this session (or rather editing after the fact), is multiple take handling overall, but I'll have to sort that out Monday in editing before transferring back into Nuendo. There are some cool aspects there - such as key command tabbing through takes within a clip, but the way it overwrites clips instead of layering above/below overlapped takes sucks - couldn't find a pref to change that, but maybe it's buried in the menu somewhere.

Like I say, it is a cool app in many respects - I still want to like and use it more than I do, and want to see it improve (and no doubt it will); but until it has decent folders, take management and MUCH faster and more elegant multimbral/multi-out VSTi handling, it will be a cool app I'll have to watch more than use - for my needs at least. ymmv of course.

[kdm]

3.141 is out:

Changes: Smaller, faster, more productive.


Action: toggle selected tracks between touch and trim/read modes (for non-motorized control surfaces)
Anticipative FX is no longer by default disabled during rendering
Batch converter: added right-click context menu, modeless configuration
Custom menu: fixed Actions menu occasionally declining to be customized
Fixed mislabeled undo/redo menu items in certain instances
Image loading: theme images optimized for faster load (startup) time, and smaller installer
Installer: reduced installer size on all platforms
Media explorer: fixed import of multitrack MIDI files when importing to empty project
MIDI editor: fixed bug when extending a looped item leftwards in the editor
MIDI editor: avoid skipping over CC data when drawing edits quickly
MIDI editor: actions to explicitly mute and unmute notes (in addition to existing toggle)
MIDI editor: middle button hand-scroll
Peaks: fixed rebuilding peaks for selected items
Project markers: fixed transport jump-to-marker list not being refreshed
Preferences: added new Envelopes tab, option for how to handle volume/pan trim when adding envelopes
ReWire: per-instance options to control whether slaves can change tempo, loop region
Scrollbars: drawing fixes
Toolbar: merged toolbar and menu customize interfaces, no limit on custom toolbar buttons
Toolbar: customizable tabbed floating toolbar (separate from main toolbar)
Toolbar: added 72 more custom toolbar images
Toolbar: optional user text over blank toolbar icon
Toolbar: armed actions can be run by clicking anywhere in the arrange view (not just on a media item)
Video: added support for video files that contain no video track
Video: better audio sync on OSX
Video: dont show video from stopped background projects
Video: fixed possible hang on Windows multi-monitor setups
Video: fixed incorrect frame display issues (rounding errors after manually moving the edit cursor)
Video: added a preference panel to select video colorspaces
x64: fixed bugs in recording and rendering format selection/configuration windows


So, 3.14 broke video play back, and a couple of weeks later, it's fixed (at least it works on my laptop with the video files I had here to test with). Took Steinberg 15(?) months to fix video truncation. Took Justin 2 weeks to fix completely broken video. Hmm.... think I might have to have him take a look at my car. :wink:

Even though Reaper lacks some things I need, it's development and bug fix process is very very impressive. There are also some impressive skins being developed by users now. Reaper is here to stay.

[Rome]

It looks like the code base of REAPER is be very clean too - no dirty tricks, no invasive copy protection etc. :icon_cool:

I recently tried to install 3.14 on Linux (with Wine) and it worked right out of the box, including licensing, MIDI, audio, skins, control surfaces and so on. Really impressive, especially for a DAW. :wink:

[paulwr]

Still, it is not a good workflow for me at all. I keep trying to use it for mixing and it is so arcane that I don't have the time to invest to get good at it. Last I looked, you couldn't creat your own shortcuts. If I could develop a bunch of those for myself, I would use it more.

I am using it for mastering. I do like the effects layout more than my old Cubase 3.1. Much more versatile.

-Paul

[kdm]

You may be referring to something specific Paul, but the list of customizable key commands is quite large in Reaper, and the extensions add even more - far more then Cubase/Nuendo allow. You can also create custom combinations of commands (not like time-delayed macros, but still quite useful). And the menu system is customizable as well, allowing you to even rename menu items I think.

But, I agree on workflow. Folders and multi-out VSTi handling is a pain - takes 5x longer to setup than Cubendo.

[colony nofi]

Wow - I haven't looked at reaper since...well... pre v1 days.
I've got the purchase page open, ready to hit the buy button.

I don't see it replacing N4/C5 soon, but it is at a point where its worth learning the workflow, learning its limitations, and identifying how it might improve my working day. Like so many here, I believe that at the speed it is improving, it is certainly the current audio app to watch.

(I used energy XT for a number of years prior to V2... and loved some of the things that a one man developer could do - and some extremely original ideas that really benefitted me that unfortunately went by the wayside with v2 and v2.5, which I no longer contemplate using. It was for the time a way of producing "Max" like results without much of the headaches in programming max. Max for Live (and Max for Live plugin, which looks to be coming) is another game changer for sound design.) )

This is so so interesting, that I just read the entire thread, on a day that I have so much work on that I know friday arvo beers will be lucky to occur at 10pm tonight!

Vin - how is the recital hall rig going? I'm actually REALLY glad to hear it being used in an environment like that.

Cheers - looking forward to playing with it as soon as I get a short break!

Brendan.

[kdm]

3.1415 is out.

Changes: As good as pumpkin pie.


Action: invert item selection
Actions dialog: fixed export of multiple selected actions/shortcuts
API/ReaScript: actions dialog shows command ID strings for custom/extension actions
API/ReaScript: added NamedCommandLookup, to get a command ID from a named extension action
Auto-crossfades: dont initiate auto-crossfade until items overlap by at least one sample
Automation: ctrl+click on envelope point toggles point selection if no envelope drawing occurred
Batch converter: prompt before exit if processing/unprocessed items
Custom toolbars: disabled themed scrollbars on win32 for icon picker
CD extraction: preliminary support (Windows 2000+, OS X)
JS: fixed certain plug-ins on x64
LAME/mp3 support: assorted fixes (multi-encoder, OSX VBR, correct file lengths, etc)
Master track: clean up envelope lanes properly when hiding master track
MIDI editor: moving CC with notes replaces rather than merging with existing CC at the new location
MIDI editor: added action to move to end of selected notes
MIDI editor: support for mouse cursor as vertical zoom center (respects prefs/editing behavior)
MIDI input quantize: various bugfixes
OSX: Audio Unit buggy compatibility mode includes constant blocksize (fixes AUMatrixReverb)
OSX: builtin FX/JSFX fixes for installation on volumes that are case-sensitive
PDC: better behavior when unmuting tracks with routing and "do not process muted tracks" disabled
ReaScript: various bugfixes
Scrub: autoseek during playback regardless of middle-mouse-button handscroll preference
Startup: even faster
Theme: themeable images for tabs (user for docker, project tabs, floating toolbar)
Track: inserting track via context menu inserts new track in the expected place
Toolbar: actions to open the floating toolbar at the mouse cursor
Toolbar: support for more toggle actions staying lit when assigned to buttons
Toolbar: extensions can register toggle actions


Just a "minor" update. CD import/extraction added, and it works. Faster startup, and it really is noticeably faster. And it's a holiday too - seriously, Justin, it's okay to take a day off! :wink:

[Rome]

Startup: even faster


:icon_eek3:

It is amazing. REAPER needs 6s to start up after a fresh reboot, including loading of the last project. Cubase needs way more than a minute to be ready with the same project.

[kdm]

Less than 2 seconds on my laptop to open an empty project.

[shanabit]

Less than 5 minutes for that SOB to crash on my Mac after the new download.

Reaper BLOWS on the Mac:icon_eek3:

[Rome]

REAPER 3.14159 released

Changes: Pi: it's not just for thanksgiving anymore


Automation: add a point anywhere in envelope lane, or only on the envelope segment, by preference
Automation: fixed action to insert envelope point in take envelopes
Automation: envelope segments are automatically switched to bezier when editing tension
Automation: FX envelopes are adjusted for PDC (can be overridden per plugin instance)
Automation: adjustable bezier tension for envelope points (alt+drag segment, or edit point value)
Automation: switching from trim to read on simple vol/pan envelopes applies trim setting if pref set
Automation: lower CPU use when using mute automation in read/write modes and control surfaces
Batch converter: fixed filelist flickering bug when converting files
CD import: uses current project settings for output audio format, matching extension
Crossfades: show special cursor when shift+dragging crossfades
Dual trim: edit shared media item edges regardless of selection (by preference)
Dual timestretch: show special cursor when alt+dragging shared edges
Envelopes: fixes for GUI drawing errors when greatly zoomed in
Explode by channel: use item size/offset rather than source size
Installer: Changed "CD Burning" item to "CD Ripping/Burning"
Installer: changed icon to REAPER icon from generic installer
Media item properties: option to override auto-crossfades (set automatically when importing REX)
Media explorer: better display of preview on items without peaks
Split: when splitting past the end of an unlooped item, create an empty take rather than looping
VST: chunkless VSTs now get program name saved/restored (FabFilter plug-ins etc)
VST: update current program name on audioMasterUpdateDisplay
WAV: fix for reading WAV files larger than 4GB
Windows: handle more types of keyboard input when set to send all keyboard input to plug-in
Windows: Fixed cleartype issue on timeline font in default 3.0 theme

[Rome]

REAPER 3.15 released

Changes: Even more rational!


Actions: select previous/next adjacent non-overlapping items
Auto-crossfades: more consistent logic when moving, trimming, copying items
Automation: preference for first click on envelope to select envelope, or add point immediately
Automation: action to add point at current time position to all visible envelopes
Dual trim/timestretch: acts on all selected items, unless both sides of shared edge are selected
FIPM: preserve item positioning when moving items across tracks
License key: automatic import of license key text from clipboard on startup
Marquee selection: fixed some random issues, better small-move behavior
Media items: shift+drag edges bypasses snapping regardless of whether shift or drag happens first
MIDI devices: avoid clearing device alias when disabling device
MIDI editor: fixed occasional CC data drawing bug
MIDI items: more consistent logic for which track receives new empty MIDI items
Noise shaping: noise contour is slightly gentler in high frequencies
OSX: JS editor usability improvements when OSX keyboard dialog navigation enabled
OSX: no media explorer peaks for audio CD .aiff files
OSX: fixed crash on selected track delete from mixer context menu
OSX: fixed item notes window
OSX: fix for multimonitor context menu issues
ReaSamplomatic5000: fixed bug where sample is left marked as used on plugin remove
ReaScript: Fixed RPR_AddTakeToMediaItem causing crashes
Sends: shift+drag IO button or extended mixer send area to send all selected tracks at once
Sync: added 23.976 as predefined framerate for LTC
Themed tab fixes (x64 etc)
Takes: fixed splitting unlooped MIDI take beyond loop end in odd time signatures
Track panels: show exact track volume after manually setting a level below the minimum fader value
Video: fixed audio playback issue on some Quicktime videos
VST: more flexible support for passing keyboard input to plug-ins
x64: corrected undo history writing


A minor 0.00841 update. :icon_cool:

[Rome]

OK, there were some minor changes in the last three weeks:

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REAPER v3.16 - December 22, 2009

Changes: It's Santastic!


Actions: increase/decrease tempo various amounts
Arrange: clicking below tracks follows mouse preference for track selection
API: TrackFX_FormatParamValue works for current values on most VSTs
API: track receives are now stored in order
Batch file converter: fixed list flickering during conversions
Batch file converter: options to force channels, rate, resample mode
Batch file converter: safer threading on media opening
Batch file converter: support sidechaining when using FX
Color themes: classic (1.x) theme support improvements
Cursors: themeable cursors on Windows (soon for OSX)
Dual trim/timestretch: allow editing left, right, or dual edges regardless of selection
Elastique Pro: updated to v2.11, added Synchronized modes
Explode by channel: handle custom media item take playback rates
Explode by channel: use project file format setting for exploded media items
FIPM: item y-position/height adjustments affect all selected items regardless of visibility
FX automation: better handling of very sharp envelope changes
MIDI editor: action to split notes on grid
MIDI editor: better behaviors when editing notes while quantize/humanize dialog open
MIDI editor: customizable toolbar, armable actions
MIDI editor: better behavior when resizing notes to loop start/end
MIDI editor: more consistent shift+click note selection behavior
MIDI export: more descriptive error message on failure
OSX: better handling of queued repeated-key events
OSX: default file menu is now the same as Windows (minus Quit)
OSX: fixed issue with dragdrop of fx and autoclose fx window option enabled
OSX: improved redraw of many composited plug-in windows
OSX: virtual keyboard fixes for held keys repeating note hits
ReaControlMIDI: always send bank select message when program changes
ReWire: opening panels on project load is deferred until load completed
TCP: clicking below all TCPs unselects all tracks
Toolbar: preferences to prevent scaling buttons up and/or down
Toolbar: support for separators
Toolbar: themeable armed toolbar button color
Toolbar icon picker: better resize/scrollbar behavior
Version check: made notification dialog bigger
WavPack: updated to 4.60.1


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REAPER v3.161 - December 24, 2009

Changes: It's Santastic!


FIPM: fixed control+drag copy behavior when dragging only vertically
Fixed auto-beat-timebase when project set to time timebase on MIDI items
Fixed snap offset preservation when adjusting item left edges
MIDI editor: actions to toggle channels 1-16, with toolbar support
MIDI editor: fixed missing toolbar when more than one MIDI editor open at once
Tab to transient: optionally tab through MIDI notes as well as audio transients


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REAPER 3.2 - January 12, 2010

Changes: OS X love for a new decade


Actions: FX last touched parameter: show TCP knob, envelope, param mod, MIDI learn, or alias
Autoload last project: does not load last project if it crashed on last load
Envelopes: fixed random crash when adding many points via pencil mode
FX: tempo-synced plugins account for project play rate
FX: Undo/redo on floating FX windows no longer restores window position
Item edge editing: update edge edit/timestretch cursor while editing
Screensets: save/restore extended mixer details with track views
MIDI editor: restore secondary sources on multiproject switches
Misc: fixed erratic ntdll crash when scrolling the arrange view
Missing media prompt: search button
ReaComp: smooth changes in wet/dry, automakeup gain
ReaDelay: smooth changes in tap volume/pan, wet/dry
ReaEQ: smooth frequency, gain, bandwidth changes (sweepable filters)
ReaPlugs: denormal management improvements
ReaXcomp: smooth changes in gain, band frequency/threshold/ratio/gain
ReaXcomp: fancier ratio indicator
ReaVerb: OSX deconvolution support
ReaXcomp/ReaComp: RMS optimizations
ReaScript: GetSetChunkState chunk length limit increased to 1MB
ReaScript: added GetUserFileNameForRead
OSX: better CoreAudio samplerate setting (should not override bit depth, too)
OSX: huge performance improvements (denormal management, alignment fixes)
Save as: separate trim/convert options
Scrub: avoid runaway scrub when using arrow key navigation
Tab to transient: stop at media item start when tabbing backwards through transients
Tweaks to missing filename resolving (always resolve relative filenames to full)
VST/AU: record automation from closed plugins that have internal MIDI control
Windows: added readahead buffer for live CD playback in Media Explorer

[Rome]

REAPER 3.21 - January 26, 2010

Changes: CONTACT!


Action: cascade all floating windows
Actions: show/hide all envelopes
Custom actions: fixed possible corrupted action list when deleting custom actions
FX automation: fixes for automating via controller when plugin UI closed
FX browser: fully recursive finding of FX chains, JS FX
FX browser: new folder appears on plug-in rescan if new plugins were added without restarting Reaper
JS: slider_automate command, to write slider automation from within JS code
Master track: maximum RMS level is more accurate on playback start
Media explorer: import MOGG and REX files consistently via drag+drop or double-click
MIDI import: prefs to import multichannel MIDI to separate tracks always, never, or by prompt
Mixer: freely arrangeable tracks, autoarrange can be enabled/disabled
Mixer: if autoarrange is on, arrange view ordering follows track moves in mixer
Mixer: optionally show folder compact (hide children) button for folder tracks
Mixer: optionally show icon for the last track in a folder (mcp_folder_last)
Mixer: click on empty space to deselect all tracks
OSX: fixed reading .ins (instrument patch/bank) files
OSX: fixed loading of chains with JS saved on win32
ReaSamplOmatic: properly loop very short samples
ReaComp/ReaXComp: better RMS calculation on playback start
ReaVocode/Voice/Verb[ate]/SamplOmatic/Insert/Gate/Fir: smooth changes in various gain/pan parameters
ReaScript: RPR_Include directive to include other ReaScript modules
ReaScript: GetSetChunkState chunk length limit increased to 1MB
ReaScript: added GetUserFileNameForRead function
REX: preferences to import as dynamic slices or single loopable item at project tempo
REX: preferences to chop slice tails on import
Screensets: track views can save/restore custom mixer track order
Toolbar: key shortcuts fixed in tooltips
Track control, routing, envelopes, param mod dialogs: enter key closes dialog
VST/AU: ignore automation messages when loading/restoring plugins (avoid hang on startup)
VST bridging: fixes relating to manually editing automation
VST scanning: faster scanning, better subdirectory search order



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I especially love the new freely arrangeable mixer. It is just great to show and hide any track as desired and to move any track anywhere you want. Allowing to use folders in the mixer the same way as in the track list is brilliant too. The Cubase mixer just feels clumsy after having used the REAPER mixer for some minutes.

[Andrew J]

I especially love the new freely arrangeable mixer. It is just great to show and hide any track as desired and to move any track anywhere you want. Allowing to use folders in the mixer the same way as in the track list is brilliant too. The Cubase mixer just feels clumsy after having used the REAPER mixer for some minutes.

I was wishing for this just last night - but didn't even notice it in the update list when I first read through it (at about midnight). Thanks for pointing it out :wink:

[paulwr]

time for me to give Reaper another shot at mixing audio. Being that the DAW performance bench's of Vin's show Reaper as being more efficient with plugs, I'm really hoping it works out that it is a good platform for me to mix on.

-Paul

[shanabit]

REAPER 3.22 - January 30, 2010

Changes: Unsecretly awesome

Fix for crash in some take related actions
Grouping: project setting for selection to follow grouping (right-click group button on toolbar)
Import: prompt for behavior on first import of REX or multichannel MIDI
Media items: optimized item memory use
MIDI: allow sending all-notes-off from plugins and MIDI items
OSX: better keyboard behavior in key assignment window
Project load: faster filename resolving/caching, better handling of missing files
ReaSamplOmatic: avoid artifacts when looping very short samples
REX: fixed possible loop glitch, buggy peaks drawing when importing as a single looped item
REX: properly save/load imported looped item tempo
Save as: save with trim now looks for overlapping regions and does not save duplicates
Sends: MIDI CC actions to set/adjust selected track send volume/pan
Tempo: MIDI CC actions to set/adjust tempo (coarse and fine)
Undo: better memory limit targetting (even if it means fewer undo points kept)

[Jonesy]

How do they do this? They charge so little and give such great support, while others charge so much and leave their customers to dangle. I hope Reaper tears a hole in Steinberg's sales eventually, I am so pissed at Steinberg that I paid them for abandonware such as Halion, and possibly Nuendo, how many more times can Steinberg trot out the same old "First quarter" "beta testing" "final development stage" bullshit?

Reaper rocks, I have been using it on more and more projects because it deserves to get used and supported.

[norbury brook]

I've just started my latest project with Reaper, spent a couple of days setting up track templates, hardware control for plugins etc few actions/key commands, I've been rockin' this week, no crashes, no problems doing a singer songwriter project, 24/96 acoustic guitars, double bass, piano, EWQLSO playx64, BFD-2 ,kontakt 4 x64 working in reaper x64.

I think I'll mix in reaper 32 as my plugin comps ect are 32bit and when they're bridged the hardware controlling is a bit of a PIA,and I don'tneed massive memory usage when mixing as everything will be audio by that point.

I've been enjoying using the steinberg CC121 in Reaper, works great thanks to Rome's csurf.dll :)


MC

[TAFKAT]

How do they do this? They charge so little and give such great support, while others charge so much and leave their customers to dangle..

Its still a small team of dedicated guys who have developed and supported it from the ground up , so its not drowning in red tape. The most improtant aspect I believe is the founder and lead developer is still hands on, with Steinberg once Charlie lost the reigns, it lost its heart and direction IMO.

[Jonesy]

Its still a small team of dedicated guys who have developed and supported it from the ground up , so its not drowning in red tape. The most improtant aspect I believe is the founder and lead developer is still hands on, with Steinberg once Charlie lost the reigns, it lost its heart and direction IMO.

I hope that the business model works for them, it is good to know that it isn't necessary to be a bloated corporation to produce a great DAW.

[TAFKAT]

I hope that the business model works for them, it is good to know that it isn't necessary to be a bloated corporation to produce a great DAW.

I think the reason why Justin is capable of maintaining this business model is that he is in a enviable financial position to be able to successfully ride it out even if it isn't turning over huge $ .

I see it as someone who has been successful and fortunate enough in business areas, where financials are not an over riding factor , giving back to the community.

[Andrew J]

REAPER 3.3 - February 10, 2010


Changes: It's a magic number



Action: write current value on envelopes from edit cursors to start/end of project
Action: unarm all envelopes
Action: write current value to time selection on all armed, write-enabled envelopes
Automation: improved write mode (no read when stopped/seeking)
Automation: improved latch mode for mute envelopes
Automation: smoother redraws when moving envelope trim slider
Automation: copy/cut/paste items with envelopes obeys preference to add points at item edges
Automation: if first envelope point is moved, no longer draw nonexistent first point
FX add dialog: added optional VST physical directory path folders, with right click options
FX add dialog: resizable panes
Loop sections: fixed loop length rounding bug
Menus: fixed edit menu take list, improved support for take list in customized menus
MIDI editor: docker tab updates correctly
MIDI editor: fixed toolbar issue when reusing existing MIDI editors
Mixer: reduced flicker on Windows when modifying sends, etc
OSX: right clicking track volume fader properly sets focus on volume field
Solo in front: better support for routed solos
Track I/O button now shows themable highlight for sends, receives
Pitch shifting: added safety mutex for initialization of some pitch shifters
Preferences: consolidated DX, ReWire, JS preference settings into one pane
ReaVerb: better CPU distribution in ZL mode
ReaVerb: improved quality when switching between mono/stereo/silent content
Scrollbars: prevent invalid draws with overlapping windows
Undo: improved tracking when tracks are auto-named via media explorer import
VST: fixed issues with undo state saving on parameter edit on non-chunked plugins
Wave64: fixed writing of W64 files that do not have BWF chunks
Windows: fixed some redraw issues on tab+listview (ReWire tabs, screensets, etc)
Windows x64: fixed support for rx2 with unicode filenames

[LEX]

REAPER 3.31 - February 19, 2010

Changes: Wheeeeee

* Action: move cursor left/right to nearest media item edge
* Action window: can be docked
* Action window: options to preserve action filter, show/hide command IDs
* Arrange view: themeable divider lines between tracks and between envelope lanes
* Command line: fixed -renderproject option with some old projects
* Envelope lanes: optional horizontal grid lines
* Glue: fixed unnecessary creation of empty audio file when gluing muted MIDI items
* Grouping: support select-all-grouped preference in marquee selection
* MIDI items: editing item edges resizes source contents for unlooped in-project MIDI items
* MIDI editor: optional horizontal grid lines in CC lanes
* MIDI editor: fixes for note move/resize actions when notes hit other notes or the end of the item
* MIDI overdub loop recording: avoid extending items past the end of the loop
* MIDI playback: avoid double note-on when time signature changes result in incomplete measures
* Missing files dialog: better behavior when ignoring missed files
* OSX: fix for AU with long name/description fields failing scan
* Preferences: split peaks/waveforms and meters appearance preferences into their own pages
* ReaNINJAM: better paths for configuration files, session files (unprivileged user support)
* ReaStream: fixed multi-instance bug with MIDI receive
* ReaScript: safer handling of GetSetObjectState when called from audio threads
* Render: autosave on render causes saved project to be loaded by default on next run
* Render: Windows 7 taskbar progress support while rendering
* Trim behind items: preserve grouping of split items
* VST: avoid preset list flashing in some plugins
* x64: fixed JS issues (bad invsqrt, failure when using large amounts of RAM)

[LEX]

Interesting Mission statement:


If you currently use another DAW, you might be reading this because you're contemplating shelling out $150 for the next overhyped version that doesn't address any of the bugs you've been complaining about for five years while adding a bunch of features you couldn't care less about. What does REAPER have to offer you?

Hmm, overhyped, doesn't address bugs that have lingered for 5 years, new features you couldn't care less about.

Who are they referring too?

LEX

[Rome]

Who are they referring too?

Hard to say. A Cubase Update from v4 to v5 costs 300$ (at least in Germany)

[Jonesy]

Reaper is getting to be a contender on the music production side of things. As much as I like Nuendo, and used it and championed it for years, I never even boot it up any more, and I have noticed on recent sessions that Logic has taken over among songwriters and Cubase is nowhere to be seen. It may be coincidence but every gig or session I have done in the last couple of years is a room or stage full of Protools and Logic. I show Reaper to everyone now, it is a no brainer to buy I think, especially as you don't have to carry a dongle or serial number, and it has an amazing track record for support.

[shanabit]

3.35

Changes: OSXy

* Action: dock/undock currently focused window
* Action: move cursor to start/end of all selected items
* Action: added reversed versions of mousewheel/CC actions for zoom and scroll
* Auto crossfades: fixed fades incorrectly created on item deletion
* Filename generation: now tries up to 10,000 times to find an unused file number
* FX add window: returned to forward slashes for paths for JS, VST, chains (changed in 3.21)
* LAME support: simplified configuration settings
* MIDI editor: action to correct overlapping notes, avoid creating overlaps when humanizing
* MIDI editor: easier to select diamond/triangle notes at the edge of the MIDI item
* MIDI editor: fix for occasional disappearing CC events when moving notes
* Mousewheel: horizontal mousewheel support (including OSX magic mouse)
* OSX: fixed bug where dragging project from titlebar to new tab caused crashing
* OSX: improved text rendering/measuring, better fallback support, 64 bit OS support
* OSX: respect preference to select track when clicking faders or track control panel buttons
* OSX: fixed tcp window reordering with hidden tracks for efficiency and odd behaviors
* OSX: fixed bin/cue rendering on PPC
* OSX: better initial positioning of popup windows
* OSX: magic mouse multitouch swipe can be mapped using the action system
* OSX: preference to use opt+drag to copy items, command+drag to slip content
* OSX: show render progress in system dock
* OSX: fixed plugin wet/dry knob display going to zero when switching to generic plugin UI
* OSX: command+H hides REAPER
* OSX: JS editor keyboard usability enhancements, drawing cleanups
* OSX AU: fixed Apple DLSMusicDevice
* OSX AU: ignore extra output busses that are labeled as unused, or if the plugin is marked buggy
* Parameter modulation window: updated UI to expand as needed
* Parameter linking: link parameters of FX to other parameters in chain
* Preferences window: remembers its last position
* Project load: improved resolving file names for missing media
* ReaSamplomatic5000: clicking the activity light triggers samples
* ReaSamplomatic5000: fixes to pitch and all notes off handling in certain modes
* ReaSamplomatic5000: doubleclicking MIDI note slider chooses last seen note on current channel
* Save as: trim/convert now handles looped items with start offsets correctly
* Transport/big clock: better icons when using large window frames
* Video: fixed imported video length being rounded down on Windows
* Windows: New Vista+ file dialog for open project (coming soon, others)
* x64: fixed errors relating to browse for directory dialog
* x64: now requires libmp3lame.dll or lame_enc64.dll (old x64 lame_enc.dll was broken)

[Captain Caveman]

3.4

Changes: CC Revival



MIDI editor:

action to show raw MIDI data
better drawing/editing for CC events that occur at the very end of the item
CC lane marquee selection, drag or copy selected CC events
CC lane context menu (select/unselect all events in lane, nudge events, etc)
correct overlapping notes whenever they occur
ctrl+drag to resize one CC lane only, shift+drag to accordion all CC lane sizes
finer control of mousewheel vertical zoom
fix for resizing notes up to the left or right edge of the parent item
fixed marquee selection for drum-mode notes
fixes for vertical zoom when user preference is to center on mouse cursor
improved event list properties dialog
many actions apply to all selected note and CC events
preferences for sweeps/ramps to affect only selected CC/velocities
preserve CC event selected/unselected state
remove CC events with duplicate times and the same status/channel
support clipboard copy/paste between piano roll, event list, and some external applications

OSX:

preliminary bridging support (to run 32 bit plugins on 64 bit, PPC plug-ins on Intel, etc)
ReWire slave support (enable slave mode in prefs/plug-ins/ReWire)
Audio Units: bridging/firewalling support, with per-FX options (similar to existing VST bridging)
Audio Units: pass through REAPER key commands shortcuts when plug-in GUI is focused
Audio Units: more consistent GUI updating when playing back FX automation
Audio Units/VST: enable text entry in edit fields, pass through other keystrokes for Carbon-based plugins
CoreAudio: improved samplerate changing, detect changes on the fly and reinit device
64 bit version is now named REAPER64.app, better .dmg labels (shows arch)
improvements to plug-in loading code (fewer crashes when plugins are missing dependencies)
ReaNINJAM: better support for removing / readding VST
spawn new REAPER instance is now supported, basic command line option support

Ripple editing:

better behavior moving items left/right followed by up/down
better behavior when moving items left (configurable in prefs/editing behavior)
better behavior when using ctrl+drag copy of items
fixed ripple all moving via action, with locked items affecting rippled markers

Windows:

better handling of ASIO reset messages when project samplerate is set
fix for unicode characters in new Vista+ file open/save dialogs
prevent errors on audio devices that display error messages via MessageBox
Vista+ file dialog for source properties and save track template file dialogs

Multi-touch:

Windows 7 and OSX 10.6 multi-touch gestures can be mapped to REAPER actions
per-gesture options for reverse, scaling, disabling inertia, improved zooming

Resampling:

fixed resampling for media of more than 32 channels
internal checks to behave better when out of memory/address space
decreased RAM use in higher quality modes

VST:

fix for occasional dropped keystrokes that are meant to be passed through to REAPER
internal scanning/resolving tweaks

Action: adjust last touched FX parameter (mousewheel/MIDI CC)
CPU usage: optimizations with high track counts (solo sibling calculation caching)
Elastique: updated to v2.12 (fixes x64 quality issue)
Envelopes: preference for double-click to add envelope point, or reset existing point to center
Item properties: better-looking fadein/fadeout menus
MIDI controllers: fix for occasional disappearing action mappings
Mixer: save/restore exact visibility of FX, FX parameters, and sends
Mousewheel: enable relative zoom for mice that send finely-grained mousewheel data
MP3: fixed poor quality render with VBR encoding on OSX and Windows x64
Preferences: save/restore last preferences page visited when closing/opening REAPER
RAM usage: drastically reduced memory use when drawing waveform peaks in certain instances
ReWire: workaround for Pro Tools crashing on exit when REAPER is ReWire slave
Tempo maps: lower CPU use for projects with large tempo maps (helps VST time info as well)
x64: support bridging/firewalling of x64 VSTs, including 32-bit REAPER in WoW64
x86/x64 bridging: internal improvements and bugfixes

[Rome]

This is much better than just releasing vague announcements. :wink:

Some great stuff in there.

[Captain Caveman]

Yes, sure does. Incidentally, during the development of this release, I was giving Reaper another workout and I posted about an issue I was encountering re visibility of sends in the mixer. I was upfront and told them that I didn't have a license (then), but this was an important thing for me and a few days later they had sorted it out. (it's the Mixer one in the list).

The spin on that is that they give better service to the general public than Steinberg give to their customers. :D

[norbury brook]

I'm currently working on a new project and have been using reaper exclusively for a month now and it's performing very very well at 24/96 low latency.Also there's been a good few update in the SWS extensions which if people don't know add amazing actions to reaper ,so are as important almost as the regular updates themselves. A quick example;there are now actions to split which if there's a time selction will split the selection or if there's no selection will split at edit cursor :D so two actions in one new method mapped to whatever key/controler you like :D


MC

[nikki-k]

...And 3.45 is out!

v3.45 - April 24 2010
+ Action: added show REAPER resource path in explorer/finder (in options menu)
+ Action: reset all MIDI devices (brings OSX missing MIDI devices back to life)
+ Action: remove fadein/fadeout for selected items
+ Action: enable/disable default media item fadein/fadeout
+ Action: snap selected media items to nearest snap point left/right/either
+ Action: move selected envelope points left/right a little bit or by grid, up/down a little bit
+ Actions: support for (Windows) logo key / (OSX) control key for shortcuts
+ Actions: creating chromatic MIDI from selected items now respects tempo changes
+ Actions: item nudging (up/down/left/right) actions now affect envelope points if an envelope is focused
+ Actions: Update main window immediately following actions when non-lazy updates enabled
+ API: Added track FX window showing/hiding APIs
+ Cursors: item fadein/fadeout cursor is easier to see, new xfade_move cursor for crossfade shift+drag
+ Dual trim: editing a shared edge between selected items also edits other selected item pairs
+ Envelopes: do not change envelope point selection when opening context menu
+ Envelopes: do not focus envelopes on many operations (such as moving env pts from track to track)
+ Envelopes: fixed envelope state changing on y-move of media items
+ Envelopes: fix for hard-to-edit envelope point when snapping to many small media items on the track
+ Envelopes: user option to double-click to add points to take envelopes
+ Envelopes: avoid creating duplicate envelope points when moving items
+ Free item positioning mode: preserve auto-crossfades when automatically repositioning items
+ Free item positioning mode: preserve existing item arrangement when recording new items
+ FX: last touched parameter is updated only on mouse move, not controller move
+ Help menu: pdf/chm files can now be read from REAPER appdata Docs/ folder (or exe path on Windows)
+ Item and waveform drawing: draw items more consistently opaque when their audio masks other items
+ JS: fixed time_adjustment flipping stereo channels
+ JS: removed configuration for JS path -- always uses common (installed) resource path
+ Media explorer: fixed end of loop glitch on preview of certain items
+ Media explorer: smoother preview looping when starting preview on the bar
+ Media item fades: alt+click deletes fadein/fadeout
+ Media item fades: shift+drag moves entire crossfade region regardless of auto-crossfade setting
+ Media item fades: shift+right click a crossfade to change the fade shape of both sides at once
+ MIDI editor: reduce flicker when marquee selecting in piano roll
+ MIDI editor: reduce flicker when changing selection in event list
+ MIDI editor: fixed CPU hang on some builds when scrolling to C-1
+ MIDI editor: mousewheel/relative controller actions to adjust selected event times or values
+ MIDI editor: shift+mousewheel (reassignable) adjusts selected event values (piano roll or event list)
+ MIDI editor: shift+horizontal mousewheel (magic mouse) (reassignable) adjusts selected event times
+ MIDI editor: update CC lane usage indicator immediately when adding or deleting in CC lane
+ OGG/Vorbis: updated to libogg-1.2.0, libvorbis-1.3.1
+ OSX: support for passing all keyboard input to plug-in, for Carbon-based plug-ins
+ OSX: removed excess processing on startup when switching between architectures (intel/ppc/64)
+ OSX: fixed themed play cursor drawing bugs
+ OSX: themed cursor support, cleanups to cursors to match Windows
+ OSX: changing modifier keys without moving the mouse updates cursor immediately
+ OSX: 64-bit VST UI support
+ OSX: safer closing of VST configurations when unloading (force autorelease)
+ OSX: fixed AU cocoa views for some plug-ins
+ OSX: avoid trying to use PPC bridging if rosetta is not installed
+ OSX: fixed underscore entry in JS editor
+ OSX: fixed ReaMote bridge support
+ OSX: screensets save/restore the docker height
+ Peaks: show preview peaks on items currently being recorded and inserted in project/other projects
+ Peaks: better logic for building when using multiple projects and recording
+ Presets: now stored in appdata/presets by default (old preset- filenames still work in their existing paths)
+ Recording: project secondary path, can set per track option to use secondary path
+ ReaControlMIDI: added UTF8 support for UI
+ ReaScript: fixed Python support on OSX (broken in 3.4)
+ Resampling: internal cleanups, freeing of unused memory when changing modes
+ REX: faster peaks display
+ REX: can now change tempo in all-slices mode via source properties
+ SoundTouch: fixed processing of single sample blocks (fixes media explorer loop glitch when tempo matching)
+ Splash: better behavior when relaunching while splash is still open
+ Splash: show splash screen in taskbar when launching
+ Themes: zipped theme image support, ReaperThemeZip support (for combination of theme + images)
+ Themes: default themes are now included in the new format for faster installs/USB copies/first runs
+ Trim behind items: option to always trim behind active items when editing (prevent overlaps)
+ Trim behind items: option to always trim behind new items when recording (prevent splitting/takes)
+ Trim behind items: options can be changed via Options menu or actions (can be placed on toolbar)
+ Trim behind items: editing option applies when pasting, importing, drag/dropping media
+ Video: improved stopped behavior, scrub behavior
+ Video: native FFmpeg support if installed
+ VST: do not unload plug-in code from RAM, unless new option for old behavior is set
+ VST: fix for broken plug-ins that send NULL VstEvents
+ Windows: faster display updating on some actions
+ Windows: installer installs start menu/desktop icons to all users rather than current user
+ Windows: installer file type registrations separate for x64 and x86
+ Windows: user-editable content (themes, JS, etc) are now installed to user profile directory automatically
+ Windows: file reading: if a file cannot be read because it is being written, try to open anyway

[nikki-k]

...And 3.45 is out!

v3.45 - April 24 2010
+ Action: added show REAPER resource path in explorer/finder (in options menu)
+ Action: reset all MIDI devices (brings OSX missing MIDI devices back to life)
+ Action: remove fadein/fadeout for selected items
+ Action: enable/disable default media item fadein/fadeout
+ Action: snap selected media items to nearest snap point left/right/either
+ Action: move selected envelope points left/right a little bit or by grid, up/down a little bit
+ Actions: support for (Windows) logo key / (OSX) control key for shortcuts
+ Actions: creating chromatic MIDI from selected items now respects tempo changes
+ Actions: item nudging (up/down/left/right) actions now affect envelope points if an envelope is focused
+ Actions: Update main window immediately following actions when non-lazy updates enabled
+ API: Added track FX window showing/hiding APIs
+ Cursors: item fadein/fadeout cursor is easier to see, new xfade_move cursor for crossfade shift+drag
+ Dual trim: editing a shared edge between selected items also edits other selected item pairs
+ Envelopes: do not change envelope point selection when opening context menu
+ Envelopes: do not focus envelopes on many operations (such as moving env pts from track to track)
+ Envelopes: fixed envelope state changing on y-move of media items
+ Envelopes: fix for hard-to-edit envelope point when snapping to many small media items on the track
+ Envelopes: user option to double-click to add points to take envelopes
+ Envelopes: avoid creating duplicate envelope points when moving items
+ Free item positioning mode: preserve auto-crossfades when automatically repositioning items
+ Free item positioning mode: preserve existing item arrangement when recording new items
+ FX: last touched parameter is updated only on mouse move, not controller move
+ Help menu: pdf/chm files can now be read from REAPER appdata Docs/ folder (or exe path on Windows)
+ Item and waveform drawing: draw items more consistently opaque when their audio masks other items
+ JS: fixed time_adjustment flipping stereo channels
+ JS: removed configuration for JS path -- always uses common (installed) resource path
+ Media explorer: fixed end of loop glitch on preview of certain items
+ Media explorer: smoother preview looping when starting preview on the bar
+ Media item fades: alt+click deletes fadein/fadeout
+ Media item fades: shift+drag moves entire crossfade region regardless of auto-crossfade setting
+ Media item fades: shift+right click a crossfade to change the fade shape of both sides at once
+ MIDI editor: reduce flicker when marquee selecting in piano roll
+ MIDI editor: reduce flicker when changing selection in event list
+ MIDI editor: fixed CPU hang on some builds when scrolling to C-1
+ MIDI editor: mousewheel/relative controller actions to adjust selected event times or values
+ MIDI editor: shift+mousewheel (reassignable) adjusts selected event values (piano roll or event list)
+ MIDI editor: shift+horizontal mousewheel (magic mouse) (reassignable) adjusts selected event times
+ MIDI editor: update CC lane usage indicator immediately when adding or deleting in CC lane
+ OGG/Vorbis: updated to libogg-1.2.0, libvorbis-1.3.1
+ OSX: support for passing all keyboard input to plug-in, for Carbon-based plug-ins
+ OSX: removed excess processing on startup when switching between architectures (intel/ppc/64)
+ OSX: fixed themed play cursor drawing bugs
+ OSX: themed cursor support, cleanups to cursors to match Windows
+ OSX: changing modifier keys without moving the mouse updates cursor immediately
+ OSX: 64-bit VST UI support
+ OSX: safer closing of VST configurations when unloading (force autorelease)
+ OSX: fixed AU cocoa views for some plug-ins
+ OSX: avoid trying to use PPC bridging if rosetta is not installed
+ OSX: fixed underscore entry in JS editor
+ OSX: fixed ReaMote bridge support
+ OSX: screensets save/restore the docker height
+ Peaks: show preview peaks on items currently being recorded and inserted in project/other projects
+ Peaks: better logic for building when using multiple projects and recording
+ Presets: now stored in appdata/presets by default (old preset- filenames still work in their existing paths)
+ Recording: project secondary path, can set per track option to use secondary path
+ ReaControlMIDI: added UTF8 support for UI
+ ReaScript: fixed Python support on OSX (broken in 3.4)
+ Resampling: internal cleanups, freeing of unused memory when changing modes
+ REX: faster peaks display
+ REX: can now change tempo in all-slices mode via source properties
+ SoundTouch: fixed processing of single sample blocks (fixes media explorer loop glitch when tempo matching)
+ Splash: better behavior when relaunching while splash is still open
+ Splash: show splash screen in taskbar when launching
+ Themes: zipped theme image support, ReaperThemeZip support (for combination of theme + images)
+ Themes: default themes are now included in the new format for faster installs/USB copies/first runs
+ Trim behind items: option to always trim behind active items when editing (prevent overlaps)
+ Trim behind items: option to always trim behind new items when recording (prevent splitting/takes)
+ Trim behind items: options can be changed via Options menu or actions (can be placed on toolbar)
+ Trim behind items: editing option applies when pasting, importing, drag/dropping media
+ Video: improved stopped behavior, scrub behavior
+ Video: native FFmpeg support if installed
+ VST: do not unload plug-in code from RAM, unless new option for old behavior is set
+ VST: fix for broken plug-ins that send NULL VstEvents
+ Windows: faster display updating on some actions
+ Windows: installer installs start menu/desktop icons to all users rather than current user
+ Windows: installer file type registrations separate for x64 and x86
+ Windows: user-editable content (themes, JS, etc) are now installed to user profile directory automatically
+ Windows: file reading: if a file cannot be read because it is being written, try to open anyway

[Captain Caveman]

+ Video: native FFmpeg support if installed

Incidentally, to get this up and running, you download the files from here (http://aegiscorp.free.fr/ffmpeg/) and unzip them into the Reaper Program Files directory.

When you next start up Reaper you can export sections of video and use QT in the 64 bit version too!

[Captain Caveman]

3.5

Changes: [solo] defeat is not the worst of failures



Solo defeat: set tracks to always play even if other tracks are soloed
Action:

fully unload unloaded VSTs (useful if preferences/VST/fully unload VSTs is disabled)
fixed potential crash when manually resetting MIDI devices
toggle show/hide all floating windows except floating toolbar
crop to time selection handles MIDI and other beat-based media properly
insert multiple new tracks allows entry of any reasonable number


MIDI editor:

better handling of horizontal zoom when edit cursor is not onscreen
fixed list editor broken event deletion (since 3.4)
more accurate drawing of MIDI events when dragging right to left
properly export events that occur on the last sample of the media item
support for Device Name and Song Select messages


ReWire:

slave support for projects with tempo maps
better behavior when authenticating for ReWire device install on OS X
better slave synchronization with various other hosts
per-project slave settings for tempo map, loop point handling, buffer block offset
slave can automatically build tempo map as master plays back


Video:

added "mp4" and "m4v" filetypes to the video decoder plugin
added setting to disable FFmpeg decoding
the "FFmpeg" subfolder will now be scanned for FFmpeg DLLs in both the program and user folders
added support for FFmpeg rendering into FFV1 and Huffyuv lossless video codecs
fixes for certain files with FFmpeg (including 24 bit audio)


Actions dialog: better support for finding by gestures and mouse hwheel
Color theme: use tcp_solodefeat_on, mcp_solodefeat_on button images if they exist
Import: added option (prefs/media) to not autoname tracks when importing media
Media item crossfades: fixed slow shift+drag of crossfades in one direction when zoomed out
MP3: encode audio that has peaks higher than +0dB without clamping
Multiproject: no stop of background recording projects when stopping current and sync option set
OSX: fullscreen is now by default set to Cmd+F11 rather than (non-working in stock OS X) F11
ReaXComp: properly recall which band is soloed when loading projects
Trim behind items: fixed possible hang when editing left edge of multiple selected items
VST: plug-ins that are not fully unloaded are still unloaded at exit (fixes Yellow Tools plugins)
WAV: when reading files that are growing, autodetect length changes

[nikki-k]

v3.5 - May 1 2010



3.35

Changes: [solo] defeat is not the worst of failures

Huh??

[Captain Caveman]

Okay good point, that's fixed - double post girl! ;)

[JCampbell]

Hi there, First post to this great site,

Has anyone jumped from N4.3 to Reaper for doing the score to video thing? I've been following Reaper's progress and am wondering if it's matured enough in the video department to give it hard think. Because of the impending N5 update and NEK debacle I'm thinking of 'alternatives'. I'm on N4.3 and despite it's flaws it generally works very well for me. I should say I'm not really doing mission critical stuff like broadcast or episodic tv. However, I have hard delivery dates, etc, etc.

Thanks,

Jim

[kdm]

Jim - I can just give you my personal take on it - Reaper is progressing, but seems to be focused more on esoteric key commands than hard functionality built for scoring. For me, ease of VSTi setup, folder implementation, and general GUI workflow just don't compare to Nuendo, and make it hard to consider Reaper even for simple scoring projects. Video support is fine for the most part, but still no scrubbing clips to video a la edit mode in Nuendo.

Cool app in some ways, but it might have to mature to v5 before it's a viable alternative, imho.

[JCampbell]

Thanks very much for your insight, kdm. I figured as much.

Cheers

[UntamedSpirit]

It's still worth looking at yourself, everyone has different ideas about workflow.
you can of course download and try it for free , reaper is good like that.

[JCampbell]

Of course that's a valid point. I bought a license quite a while back and used it a bit for straight ahead tracking. It worked just fine. However, if I'm going to go through a complete paradigm shift with yet another DAW it's got to be an ass kicker for my particular needs. That said I see Reaper as having the potential to be just that. And I'm massively supportive of the developer's business model/concept, etc. When it gets widely accepted in mission critical and especially video related environments I'll be way more than happy to make the switch.

Cheers

[TerryG]

The irony is not lost on us that this is the most viewed thread in the entire forum....

They are definitely doing something right.
:eusa_think:

[nikki-k]

Reaper is like "The Great American Dream." It is an idea, but at times I seriously wonder if it will be a reality for a majority. In order to get features implemented, one must be vigilant and bring numbers. It can almost feel like Logic's Environment at times; tons of stuff, but it is up to you to weed through it all and set it up for your use. In the end, it lacks in too many aspects, and where it seems like it is doing well, too much time and effort is required to search, ask, set-up, etc. Something as simple as working with a mono audio track or mono VI or mono aux can be... interesting. At the same time, there are threads (including a semi-recent and lengthy one) describing incomplete basic feature sets. Tons of room for user scripting, coding, etc.. but, for someone who simply wants to grab an app and go... well, for me, Cubase 5 for composing and PT7.4 (PT8.??? eventually, since getting it to work on W7x64 has been a no-go for me) for tracking. If I had the time to spend on sculpting Reaper to even do what PT7.4 does, maybe I would.

[paulwr]

I can stand to master on it occasionally. I'll try mixing sometime, but every time I try anything, it looks like I'm up against quite a learning curve and then some. Just not intuitive to me much at all. In its current form or anywhere near it, I don't see myself going beyond some basic stems mixing. I like the arrangement of the fx plugs and it seems efficient on resources. Just moving around in a project, though, feels very frumpy and clumsy to me.

Its the one program we'd all love to love, but can't get beyond just a little 'like' and admire it for what its trying to do rather than for what it is fully capable of doing with a smooth workflow.

-Paul

[UntamedSpirit]

it may not be for everyone, BUT, there is a new update already...

REAPER 3.52 - May 19, 2010

Changes: no one has a head

* Added Quick Start Guide (PDF): accessible via Help/Documentation menu
* Media explorer:
o action list and custom shortcut support
o actions for play, stop, pause, rewind, fast forward, play from last seek position
o actions to play previous media (for A/B comparison), browse up/down the list of files
o context menu item to insert media at time selection, stretched and/or looped to fit
o display media embedded tempo, if any
o leave peaks preview active until Media Explorer is closed
o media can be previewed/inserted at project tempo if it is suitable length in beats/bars
o media with embedded tempo (REX/ACID) can be inserted at either project tempo or source tempo
o mousewheel adjusts peaks gain (vertical zoom)
o option to always display waveform peaks even if autoplay is disabled (note this creates .reapeaks files)
o option to display preview position in tenths of seconds
o option to preview/insert media tempo matched 1x, 1/2x, 2x
o pause button
o peaks preview can be dragged into project to insert media
o restart tempo-matched preview playback if project tempo changes
o support for looping media that is 1/2 bar long
o support for Windows shortcuts (browse folder shortcuts, preview media shortcuts)
* Video:
o FFmpeg: added 16/24/32bps audio PCM modes to AVI/MOV/MKV export formats
o FFmpeg: added MJPEG and DV video codecs to AVI export format
o FFmpeg: added support for large filesizes
o FFmpeg: added unicode support for file renders
o FFmpeg: bundled basic LGPL/free FFmpeg for better basic playback support
o FFmpeg: fixed/optimized video seeking
o FFmpeg: fixed video rendering issues
o FFmpeg: renderer codec list will now only list available codecs from the installed FFmpeg librairies
o LCF support (LICE Capture Format)
* Action:
o move items to time selection, stretched and looped to fit
o render all queued renders
* Bridging/firewalling:
o fixed PPC bridging on OSX 10.4/10.5
o fixed a bug where bridging would sometimes be disabled
* Missing file searching:
o logic for how to pick missing file, whether to autoclose and search other missing files
o support for reaper-media-searchpaths.txt with SEARCH lines to specify additional paths
o full paths now autoscan all fixed disks for matching path (Windows only)
* Mixer:
o better fxparm/fx/send resize behavior, can now use ctrl+shift to modify all tracks dividers absolutely
o can now hide the master track from the mixer
o fixed some visual issues in panflip mode
* OSX:
o fixed potential crash when dragging media from Finder after closing REAPER's Media Explorer
o fixed some internal Cocoa issues
* Pitch shift:
o set default mode to elastique 2.1 Pro for new users
o note, existing users can change default mode via File/Project Settings, save as default
* REX:
o all-slice items can now set tail mode in source properties
o draw peaks properly in all-slice mode when there is silence between slices
o option to chop all slice tails will remove tails rather than muting them on playback

* Action dialog: when switching action sections, enable running actions in the new section if possible
* Create measure from time selection: better behavior with existing tempo markers
* Docker: better track resize behavior when showing/hiding/resizing docker
* Drag and drop: fixes for various plug-in related crashes (Maschine and others)
* Dynamic split: use preferences/editing behavior/tab-to-transient sensitivity, for consistency
* Envelopes: when adding volume/pan envelopes, don't create point at cursor (consistent with other envelopes)
* Grid settings: more consistent display of grid sizes (notes, not beats)
* Media with embedded tempo: import behavior preference to use project tempo or source tempo
* MIDI devices: improved action to reset all devices
* MIDI editor: more precise note/grid drawing when in "source beats" view mode
* MIDI items: handle multiple takes properly when resizing unlooped MIDI items
* Optimizations: improved CPU use when moving track faders, zooming, writing envelopes
* ReaSamplomatic5000: apply attack/release to playback, not start/end of looped samples
* Recording: can now set tracks to record simultaneously to primary path and invisibly/backup to secondary path
* Regions: support for copying regions immediately to the left of the original
* Snap to grid: avoid certain types of rounding error
* Tempo markers: do not insert a new marker on top of an existing one
* Theme support: configurable tcp_folderindent (22 is default)
* Time selection: set edit/play cursor when time selection changes via alt+marquee (if user wants)
* Tooltips: more descriptive tooltips on track labels, number, sends, FX
* Track panels: better FX parameter positioning when meter disabled
* VST: option to disable saving VST bank is now per-VST rather than global (right-click in FX browser)
* WAV: option to embed project tempo (ACID chunk) in rendered files, if project has a single tempo
* x64: fixed video on systems without correct VC2005 runtimes installed

[UntamedSpirit]

a month later.........
I guess if you listen to Steinberg marketing devotees, it's a sign of how far behind Cockos are, updating so often.
While Nuendo only needs an update every couple of years, far more stable and pro.

Excuse me while i just go splice some 1inch tape.

REAPER 3.60 - June 10, 2010


Changes: nudge nudge wink wink

* OSX:
o much faster graphics updating (thank you, Apple, for your fantastic documentation)
o better edit cursor displays (matches Windows)
o fixed mouse option for mousewheel to target window with focus
o menu shortcut display support for control key modifier, other special keys
o faster configuration file access
o fixed action to reset all MIDI devices crashing on some MIDI devices
o default text drawing is now faster
* Transport:
o show editable playback tempo and time signature
o mousewheel adjust play rate, tempo, selection start/end/length
o alt+mousewheel to adjust time selection by beats
o mousewheel over time selection length to move the entire selection
o theme images for BPM tap-tempo button (transport_bpm, transport_bpm_bg)
o theme images for playspeed and selection edit fields (transport_group_bg, transport_edit_bg)
o theme images for status box (transport_status, transport_status_err)
* Action:
o go to marker 11-30
o reset soft takeover for all MIDI controller assignments
o unselect all tracks, items, and envelope points
o adjust all tempo markers at once by various units
* MIDI editor:
o fixed grid snapping when project contains odd-length time signature changes
o action to toggle locking MIDI item to fixed tempo, or follow project tempo changes
o fixed grid snapping, note insert length when MIDI is locked to a fixed tempo
o optimized edit cursor display
o update toolbar step sequencer buttons on enable/disable
* Nudge/Set:
o move items by precise time/beat/sample/frame/selection units
o move cursor or copy items by precise units
o actions to nudge left/right by last nudge dialog settings
o actions to save/recall up to 8 configurations (assign to shortcuts or toolbars)
* Video:
o added "Video window follows edits" setting in Prefs>Media>Video
o muted items, muted tracks are not displayed
o FFmpeg: added YV12 and YUY2 colorspace decoding support (makes video decoding faster)
o FFmpeg: bundled OSX versions are now 10.4+ compatible
o FFmpeg: improved video frame display when seeking during playback
* Keyboard entry:
o preference to disable applying typed-in edit changes after 1 second (in some places)
o cancel changes on escape, commit changes on tab or enter key (in some places)
* Media explorer:
o action to show source properties for current media preview (right-click preview display)
o unload stopped preview media if user preference is to offline media when switching away
* MIDI file writing:
o more compatible ASCII conversion for some UTF characters
o new option to write text events as UTF-8 (preferences/media/MIDI)
* Tempo:
o more efficient rebuilding of complex project tempo maps when adjusting tempo quickly
o better multithreaded time map access (faster tempo information delivery to plugins)
o tap tempo creates only one undo point
* Tooltips:
o fixed occasional stuck tooltip on certain mouse movements
o many tooltips now also appear in main info box
o simplified tooltips that appear when moving media items
* Winamp visualization plug-ins:
o default option to disable WA plug-ins completely
o various bug fixes
* Accessibility: expose basic track, envelope, transport control to screen readers via MSAA
* API: added GetMasterTrack
* Batch converter: better support for unicode filenames
* Custom menus: much faster import of menus and menu sets
* Envelope control panels: respect global UI scaling preference
* Export: automatically prevent trim/convert on REX and video files
* FX browser: renaming item preserves selection, and resorts
* MIDI items: fixed source properties reported media item length
* Mixer: show MIDI hardware outputs in send/hardware output list (themable: mcp_sendlist_midihw)
* ReaEQ, ReaDelay, ReaPitch, ReaXcomp: correct automation behavior when adding/removing bands
* ReaScript: x64 Python support
* Relative snap: fixed occasional reset of item snap offset
* Selection sets: actions to save/load up to 10 sets of item selections
* Solo defeat: receives are always audible even if source tracks have sibling solo
* Startup: faster
* Time selection: preferences to clear time selection and/or loop points by clicking ruler or arrange view
* Trim behind items: support toggling on/off within custom actions
* Windows: fixed file open issues on pre-XP operating systems

[UntamedSpirit]

a week later......

at least it's nice to know they are working on it.


REAPER 3.61 - June 18, 2010




Changes: Go[al].

* Envelopes:
o enable visual feedback from hidden envelopes by default
o user preference to enable writing automation to hidden envelopes
o more consistent behavior of action to add 4 envelope points at time selection
o preference for double-click to edit the envelope point (vs adding or resetting a point)
* Envelope lanes:
o display envelope value in envelope lane control panel
o more consistent behavior of slider in trim/read mode
o respect user preference to not arm envelopes automatically when adding
* Nudge:
o window opens on startup if it was open when REAPER was last closed
o account for take play rate when snapping contents to grid
* OSX:
o Audio Units: PDC fixed
o graphics optimizations and drawing glitch fixes

* Action: duplicate selected items, duplicate selected area of selected items
* API: export ApplyNudge function
* Menus: fullscreen mode and always-on-top moved from Options to View menu
* MIDI editor: action to set or insert CC event at mouse (double-click)
* Scrollbars: drawing improvements when UI scaling or Windows scrollbar scaling is used
* Timestretch: low quality windowed mode quality fixes
* VST: fixed automation recording with certain plug-ins

[TAFKAT]

This one slipped in under the Radar a few days back..

REAPER 3.63 - June 20, 2010


Changes: Go[al].


3.63:

VST: bridged plug-in automation improvements, especially with plug-ins that dominate main thread
VST: fixed deadlock on certain bridged plug-ins on Windows

Envelopes:

enable visual feedback from hidden envelopes by default
user preference to enable writing automation to hidden envelopes
more consistent behavior of action to add 4 envelope points at time selection
preference for double-click to edit the envelope point (vs adding or resetting a point)

API:

export ApplyNudge function
fixed GetIconThemeStruct() offsets that had changed in 3.6

Envelope lanes:

display envelope value in envelope lane control panel
more consistent behavior of slider in trim/read mode
respect user preference to not arm envelopes automatically when adding

Nudge:

window opens on startup if it was open when REAPER was last closed
account for take play rate when snapping contents to grid

OSX:

Audio Units: PDC fixed
graphics optimizations and drawing glitch fixes

Action: duplicate selected items, duplicate selected area of selected items
JS: optimized tan(), fixed tan() on OSX/i386
Menus: fullscreen mode and always-on-top moved from Options to View menu
MIDI editor: action to set or insert CC event at mouse (double-click)
Scrollbars: drawing improvements when UI scaling or Windows scrollbar scaling is used
Timestretch: low quality windowed mode quality fixes
VST: fixed automation recording with certain plug-ins

[Rome]

REAPER 3.65 - July 15, 2010

Changes: 24/7

MIDI editor:
o actions to insert note or advance cursor by various note lengths
o actions to move edit cursor by measures
o actions to zoom view to selected notes/CC, or to project loop selection (double-click piano roll ruler)
o don't fix overlapping or duplicate notes until after quantize/humanize is done
o don't shift+select notes that are adjacent to the current selection (they must overlap)
o double-clicking existing text/sysex events always edits the event (rather than creating a new one)
o dropdown setting for length to use when inserting notes (can be set when drawing/selecting a note) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5617/365_midi_note_length_box.gif)
o fixed flicker when using humanize
o fixed snap to grid in looped items where the loop length itself is not on the grid
o fixed snap to grid when project time signature is not x/4
o fixed some note/CC editing actions not refreshing event list view
o fixed changing channel filter not refreshing event list view
o inserting/extending/pasting past the end of a looped MIDI item will extend the loop in source beats mode
o inserting/extending/pasting past the end of an unlooped MIDI item will extend the item demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5620/365_auto_extend_midi_items.gif)
o MIDI preview scrub (middle mouse button in ruler, or click+drag the edit cursor handle) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5619/365_MIDI_scrub.gif)
o mute actions affect all selected notes and CC
o option to disable automatic correction of overlapping notes
o option to only move edit cursor when clicking ruler or CC lane dividers, not note/CC area
o removed piano roll-specific actions from the event list view action list

OSX:
o added a button to open system Audio MIDI Setup utility, in Prefs/Audio/Device
o better Core Audio multidevice support (though it is still better to use aggregate devices)
o changed audio device configuration storage, existing users will need to re-select their audio device(s) (REAPER will prompt on startup)
o fixed midi editor refresh of CC lane boxes
o improved Prefs/Audio/Device, now strongly encourages user to use a single device (and create Aggregate devices as needed)
o more window compositing fixes
o support for automatically building output routing for multi-output AUs
o fixed color picker rounding bug
o color picker and font picker now have proper ok/cancel buttons
o fixed REX on PPC, improved REX loading code

Actions:
o run LICEcap (http://www.cockos.com/LICEcap)
o set item mix behavior to project default
o move or copy items to time selection, trim/stretch/loop/duplicate to fit
o move position, edges, contents, duplicate of selected item (or item under mouse) to edit cursor
o select all locked tracks
o set track record path to primary, secondary, primary+secondary
o show record path/secondary record path in explorer/finder

Tracks:
o actions to increase/decrease selected track height (shift+control+mousewheel by default) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5623/365_size_selected_track_height.gif)
o actions to minimize/maximize track heights will toggle back to the exact previous track heights
o don't allow a hidden track to become a folder track
o mute/solo modes (clear, exclusive, grouped, etc) now will not affect tracks that are not visible in the same context as the click
o track controls can be locked demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5616/365_lock_track_panels.gif)
o themeable color/alpha for locked track control panel

Envelopes:
o fixed action to move envelope points left/right by grid size
o lane trim fader and add-4-points actions create points 0.5 ms apart
o remember envelope armed state when unbypassing
o when recording automation in loop, keep the exact recorded values at loop start and end

Windows:
o add project to Windows recent file list properly when creating subdirectory
o fixed unicode issues for launching files after render, etc
o option to use Windows Explorer (default) or generic listview for Media Explorer
o changed installer requested privilege level to admin

API:
o added MIDIEditor_GetTake, to get the MIDI take that is being edited in the active MIDI editor
o added SetCurrentBPM function

Automation:
o fixed recording of send automation via mixer (broken since 3.3)
o preference to reset write mode to another automation mode after one recording pass

Help:
o changed "Help: keyboard shortcuts" to "Help: Mouse key modifiers and action shortcuts"
o added MIDI editor mouse modifier behaviors to output of Help/Mouse modifier keys

JS:
o added ts_num, ts_denom variables (time signature numerator and denominator)
o fixed x64 issue when used with third party plug-ins compiled with buggy MS CRT (fmod() needs fclex, etc)

Media explorer:
o don't process REAPER hotkeys when renaming items (Windows)
o replace media source for selected items, optionally stretched/looped to fit demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5622/365_change_media_src.gif)

MPx decoder:
o fixed multiple simultaneous decodes of MP2
o file parsing optimizations/cleanup

Play cursor:
o better positioning at start of playback
o better positioning with short loops

Action window: better behavior after adding actions to custom menus (close or restore the action window properly)
Envelope panel: remove mouseover highlight when mouse leaves window
External sync: optional flashing window to warn when recording and waiting for timecode
FX: when docking/undocking fx chain, hide/show plug-in config window (some plug-ins don't like being moved)
Item notes/project notes: fixed Unicode character support
Main menu: audio status now can optionally show record path, can disable showing of device info/record format demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5618/365_audio_menu.gif)
Master track: deselect all other tracks when clicking master track TCP
Menus/Actions: cleanup of many action descriptions ("selected tracks" becomes "tracks", same for items, etc)
MIDI devices: added a button to reset all MIDI devices, in Prefs/Audio/MIDI Devices
MIDI export: adjust embedded tempo map properly when exporting time selection rather than entire project
MIDI items: fixed bug when splitting unlooped MIDI item across tempo changes
Mixer meters: better justification of peak value text when it is larger than the width of the meter
Nudge: added right edge option (to nudge or set item right edge without trimming item length)
Per-take envelopes: action to insert 4 envelope points at time selection respects take play rate
Play/loopskip: fixed problems with very small time selections, improved accuracy, fixed issues with PDC
Project: default item mix behavior is properly saved with default project
ReaControlMIDI: fixed UI loading when bridging enabled
ReaEQ: preserve existing wet/dry and bypass automation when resetting bands to default
Scrollbars: fixed vertical scrollbar theme change update issue
Splash screen: more useful startup status display
Toolbars: remove mouseover highlight when mouse leaves window
Undo system: increased default RAM limit to 256MB
WAV: basic support for MP2-WAV

-----------------------------

[nikki-k]

And, just to illustrate the speed of fixes, I present:
3.651
What?!?! you say??

... 3.651 is now up. The only change from 3.65 is the behavior when control+doubleclicking a media item.

Changes: 24/7.1

MIDI editor:
o actions to insert note or advance cursor by various note lengths
o actions to move edit cursor by measures
o actions to zoom view to selected notes/CC, or to project loop selection (double-click piano roll ruler)
o don't fix overlapping or duplicate notes until after quantize/humanize is done
o don't shift+select notes that are adjacent to the current selection (they must overlap)
o double-clicking existing text/sysex events always edits the event (rather than creating a new one)
o dropdown setting for length to use when inserting notes (can be set when drawing/selecting a note) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5617/365_midi_note_length_box.gif)
o fixed flicker when using humanize
o fixed snap to grid in looped items where the loop length itself is not on the grid
o fixed snap to grid when project time signature is not x/4
o fixed some note/CC editing actions not refreshing event list view
o fixed changing channel filter not refreshing event list view
o inserting/extending/pasting past the end of a looped MIDI item will extend the loop in source beats mode
o inserting/extending/pasting past the end of an unlooped MIDI item will extend the item demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5620/365_auto_extend_midi_items.gif)
o MIDI preview scrub (middle mouse button in ruler, or click+drag the edit cursor handle) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5619/365_MIDI_scrub.gif)
o mute actions affect all selected notes and CC
o option to disable automatic correction of overlapping notes
o option to only move edit cursor when clicking ruler or CC lane dividers, not note/CC area
o removed piano roll-specific actions from the event list view action list

OSX:
o added a button to open system Audio MIDI Setup utility, in Prefs/Audio/Device
o better Core Audio multidevice support (though it is still better to use aggregate devices)
o changed audio device configuration storage, existing users will need to re-select their audio device(s) (REAPER will prompt on startup)
o fixed midi editor refresh of CC lane boxes
o improved Prefs/Audio/Device, now strongly encourages user to use a single device (and create Aggregate devices as needed)
o more window compositing fixes
o support for automatically building output routing for multi-output AUs
o fixed color picker rounding bug
o color picker and font picker now have proper ok/cancel buttons
o fixed REX on PPC, improved REX loading code

Actions:
o run LICEcap (http://www.cockos.com/LICEcap)
o set item mix behavior to project default
o move or copy items to time selection, trim/stretch/loop/duplicate to fit
o move position, edges, contents, duplicate of selected item (or item under mouse) to edit cursor
o select all locked tracks
o set track record path to primary, secondary, primary+secondary
o show record path/secondary record path in explorer/finder

Tracks:
o actions to increase/decrease selected track height (shift+control+mousewheel by default) demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5623/365_size_selected_track_height.gif)
o actions to minimize/maximize track heights will toggle back to the exact previous track heights
o don't allow a hidden track to become a folder track
o mute/solo modes (clear, exclusive, grouped, etc) now will not affect tracks that are not visible in the same context as the click
o track controls can be locked demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5616/365_lock_track_panels.gif)
o themeable color/alpha for locked track control panel

Envelopes:
o fixed action to move envelope points left/right by grid size
o lane trim fader and add-4-points actions create points 0.5 ms apart
o remember envelope armed state when unbypassing
o when recording automation in loop, keep the exact recorded values at loop start and end

Windows:
o add project to Windows recent file list properly when creating subdirectory
o fixed unicode issues for launching files after render, etc
o option to use Windows Explorer (default) or generic listview for Media Explorer
o changed installer requested privilege level to admin

API:
o added MIDIEditor_GetTake, to get the MIDI take that is being edited in the active MIDI editor
o added SetCurrentBPM function

Automation:
o fixed recording of send automation via mixer (broken since 3.3)
o preference to reset write mode to another automation mode after one recording pass

Help:
o changed "Help: keyboard shortcuts" to "Help: Mouse key modifiers and action shortcuts"
o added MIDI editor mouse modifier behaviors to output of Help/Mouse modifier keys

JS:
o added ts_num, ts_denom variables (time signature numerator and denominator)
o fixed x64 issue when used with third party plug-ins compiled with buggy MS CRT (fmod() needs fclex, etc)

Media explorer:
o don't process REAPER hotkeys when renaming items (Windows)
o replace media source for selected items, optionally stretched/looped to fit demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5622/365_change_media_src.gif)

MPx decoder:
o fixed multiple simultaneous decodes of MP2
o file parsing optimizations/cleanup

Play cursor:
o better positioning at start of playback
o better positioning with short loops

Action window: better behavior after adding actions to custom menus (close or restore the action window properly)
Envelope panel: remove mouseover highlight when mouse leaves window
External sync: optional flashing window to warn when recording and waiting for timecode
FX: when docking/undocking fx chain, hide/show plug-in config window (some plug-ins don't like being moved)
Item notes/project notes: fixed Unicode character support
Main menu: audio status now can optionally show record path, can disable showing of device info/record format demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5618/365_audio_menu.gif)
Master track: deselect all other tracks when clicking master track TCP
Menus/Actions: cleanup of many action descriptions ("selected tracks" becomes "tracks", same for items, etc)
MIDI devices: added a button to reset all MIDI devices, in Prefs/Audio/MIDI Devices
MIDI export: adjust embedded tempo map properly when exporting time selection rather than entire project
MIDI items: fixed bug when splitting unlooped MIDI item across tempo changes
Mixer meters: better justification of peak value text when it is larger than the width of the meter
Nudge: added right edge option (to nudge or set item right edge without trimming item length)
Per-take envelopes: action to insert 4 envelope points at time selection respects take play rate
Play/loopskip: fixed problems with very small time selections, improved accuracy, fixed issues with PDC
Project: default item mix behavior is properly saved with default project
ReaControlMIDI: fixed UI loading when bridging enabled
ReaEQ: preserve existing wet/dry and bypass automation when resetting bands to default
Scrollbars: fixed vertical scrollbar theme change update issue
Splash screen: more useful startup status display
Toolbars: remove mouseover highlight when mouse leaves window
Undo system: increased default RAM limit to 256MB
WAV: basic support for MP2-WAV

Updated 3.65(1) User Guide (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/userguide.php) also available! Now with flow charts! :)

[John Lance]

I just downloaded Reaper and I am doing my best to give it a fair shake.

Parts of it are just impressive. It is so much more efficient than Nuendo with resource utilization that it is in another world on this basis.

Ease of use - after working with it for a full day, I can see that many things just aren't going to be as easy or as straight forward as it is to do many of these same things in Nuendo. Reaper is also missing SO many features that I take for granted in Nuendo. That means severe workarounds to get some things accomplished.
Edit: Reaper has LOTS of features. It is taking me a while to find things. There is no sample editor at this time.

Reaper does have a routing matrix. This is a feature I've asked for in Nuendo and I currently have no hope of ever seeing it happen in Nuendo. The routing matrix in Reaper is somewhat simplistic at this point and not really filled out enough imo. It is at least a good start and it is usable. You will be clicking yourself almost to death in the matrix at this time if you do make much use of it. There are requests in their forum to make some things easier to use in that interface.

Reaper also allows feedback, routing of a send back to the channel/track it came from, or possibly more complex types of feedback situations involving several tracks/channels. Kudos to them. Yes, I'll be careful.
Edit: Won't allow direct feedback to the same channel. You have to route 'round about through other channels. But yes, complex feedback is possible.

With Nuendo, and the near real time waveform drawing it has, I can spot potential anomalies while recording. With Reaper, so far, I cannot be as easily assured of what is going to disk. I'm still verifying settings concerning this feature set though.
Edit: Reaper is not as fast on the draw here for me. I've updated and played around with several settings. It is usable though.

Solo and Mute in Reaper are a bit weird to me, but I can get used to it. The basic functionality is there. It seems to have nowhere near the potential usage that Nuendo has in this regard, if Nuendo would just work 100% properly with Solo and Mute to begin with. :icon_rolleyes:

What does it do nicely? It can record a lot of tracks compared to Nuendo on the same hardware, it keeps a low memory footprint that doesn't get appreciably bigger (with what I'm doing), and it doesn't choke down the CPU or system resources as time goes on while doing it.

I haven't tried comping takes yet with it. I've got to test the ease of use with this before really considering using it on a laptop DAW.

I've not upgraded to N5 yet, and it looks like I'll be waiting. I don't think I'll be moving over to Reaper, but Reaper sure looks promising for laptop use in my situation. More testing to do...

[nikki-k]

IMO...
Reaper is sort of like Logic in a way. Basic usage can be simple, but as soon as you want to do anything beyond that, there are so many ways to get from "here to there." Without understanding things more.. comparatively, Logic's Environment... it can seem quite daunting, with some things being a matter of taking the time to figure the best way for it to be done for YOUR needs. Or, requesting the devs to implement something. Or, asking and hoping at least one other person has wanted to do what you are trying to accomplish.

I am finding that for my needs, I am needing to dig in pretty deep. I cannot stand the default "look" and layout, and I have yet to see a single Theme that appeals to me enough to use. I do not want bright white, but do nto want black or even dark n dreary. Horizontal meters in the Edit area irk me to no end. My routing desires are different, as is most of my workflow. So.. lotsa work. Every time I have hit a brick wall in a desire, investigation has shown that I simply did not realize a way to accomplish it existed. Definitely not plugn play for me!

Add to that the lack of VariAudio and Audio->MIDI, as well as notation with extended range instrument TAB support.. and refined lyrics track implementation.. well, some of those I can sort of add in as separate apps, possibly integrating them a bit more through the use of dev tools that are available. The one annoying thing is seeing a feature request I really want now just sitting, and with the frequency of updates, checking almost daily to see what is coming to see if what I want is in there.. it is the opposite of Xmas. Part of me prefers the "presents for Xmas and my Birthday" approach, but Reaper is interesting enough I suppose. Certain minor absences can be annoying (at best), but every app has them, no???

[John Lance]

Reaper is sort of like Logic in a way. Basic usage can be simple, but as soon as you want to do anything beyond that, there are so many ways to get from "here to there."I'm not finding as many ways as I would hope. Reaper is currently much "lighter" all of the way around, in many ways.


I cannot stand the default "look" and layout, and I have yet to see a single Theme that appeals to me enough to use.I've had a hard time with the supplied theme's as well. I will be investigating additional themes. All of the supplied themes are way too much this or way too much that, and become distracting or difficult to work with. I've tried some changes, but get unexpected results that make me go back to the default theme because you cannot change enough to "get it there".


My routing desires are differentSo far Reaper seems to allow any routing I want that makes sense. I haven't tested far enough yet, but I've got tracks and subgoups going, and I'm going to attempt construction of a complex delay with feedback loops and EQ inside of the loops. Reaper supports "out of the box trips" as well, complete with pings.

I like the "one track/channel" does whatever you want scenario, within some limitations. It is a "one thing does it all" difference that IS really peculiar. That does make the "one track" a little complicated in that it might require some further setting up to get it to work.

It seems you can save templates off of this little bugger when you have a channel strip configured the way you want one for many generic situations, and that is then recallable when you want to add another track. Well if that isn't something close to what I've asked for in Nuendo before too!


The one annoying thing is seeing a feature request I really want now just sittingAnd you can vote only once. I've reviewed some requests that seemingly languish for a lack of votes, if that is truly the reason. I hope this part of things is not entirely vote driven.


Reaper is interesting enough I suppose.I think so too at this point. Here's an app that can run on an older laptop I have, and will be worth it if I can get it to jump through enough hoops, - or is that to be viewed the other way around?

The sound quality seems to be quite well there, and there is a 64 bit version that seems to work quite well, even with the built in 32 to 64 bit bridge.

I've crashed Reaper with one of the Lexicon PCM plugins on a fairly regular basis, and that plugin does not crash in Nuendo, but I don't think Reaper is the problem on this one. I'm not going to report this until after the next Lexicon update comes out and the same problem occurs.

I've not tested all of the built-in plugins, but the eq so far seems to be quite usable and initial results with it are not bad sounding. I still have my UAD-1 plugins though, but not for a laptop.

I will also need to also check into the easiest ways to do monitor mixes.

[UntamedSpirit]

I'm not finding as many ways as I would hope. Reaper is currently much "lighter" all of the way around, in many ways.

.

not sure exactly what you are missing when you refer to "lighter", but I am assuming you have not downloaded the sws extension (http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/).

You may find what you are looking for in there.
Good luck playing around.

[kdm]

While the speed of fixes is still impressive, as I've watched Reaper over the past year, the thing that strikes me is that it takes a long time to catch up to the little additions most DAWs already have implemented (see the above fix list for many that have been working in other DAWs for years).

Some feature requests are good (auto-extend midi item when adding notes, though this has been an option in Nuendo for a long time); but there are many that are rather "personalized" for the requesters and not applicable to professional use, or for more than 1 or 2 people who spend a lot of time logging requests for Reaper.

Honestly, Reaper is almost getting too deep to be quickly useful. It was gaining some attention in pro circles, but I'm wondering if that's waned quite a bit in the past year. Presonus' Studio One probably has a better chance at this point as the workflow is far faster than Reaper. It still misses a lot of features, but the basis is much more user-friendly than Reaper.

[John Lance]

not sure exactly what you are missing when you refer to "lighter", but I am assuming you have not downloaded the sws extension (http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/).

You may find what you are looking for in there.
Good luck playing around.

Installed.

I've still got a lot of reading and testing to do. One day does not make a thorough test, but rather it is good mostly for first impressions that may or may not end up being being the full case. First impressions though, do help to quickly decide if you want to live with something or not. For me, poor initial scores here will quickly result in a trash binning (after I've made sure I'm not overlooking relevancies in the published manuals).

Nuendo works more like I think, give or take a few items. Studio One may do that. Right now, one first impression is an impressive fact, and it is that Reaper so far has been light on resources. That is a HUGE plus atm for what I want.

Right now I am trying to redo an old mix from the ground up staying with Reaper plugins as much as is possible.

[nikki-k]

Honestly, Reaper is almost getting too deep to be quickly useful. It was gaining some attention in pro circles, but I'm wondering if that's waned quite a bit in the past year. Presonus' Studio One probably has a better chance at this point as the workflow is far faster than Reaper. It still misses a lot of features, but the basis is much more user-friendly than Reaper.
That first sentence isthe biggest "con" of Reaper; the second is that it requires so much research to discover if it has what one requires, and how much of a PITA it is to accomplish/perform certain tasks. As far as workflow.. I do not see S1's workflow as faster... for me. But!! I am not doing paid, time-crunch work any more, so what the typical user might desire..

[Rome]

REAPER 3.66 - August 4, 2010

Changes: Leaps and Heaps

MIDI editor:

action to reverse events also reverses CC, works in event list view
actions that target a CC lane will target the top lane if no CC lane has focus
advance edit cursor correctly after paste preserving position in measure
better blink cursor appearance
clicking to the left of a CC lane will set focus to that lane without deselecting notes/CC
fixed CC events on one channel erasing events on other channels when moving CC with notes
fixed splitting notes in looped MIDI items
fixed step input actions when inserting X semitones below the current note
immediately refresh event list when correcting overlapping notes/CC
option to disable single-click selecting CC events
paste preserving position in measure will not paste duplicates
quantize, humanize, event properties, and filter windows stay on top of the editor
swing grid support
swing grid strength is set/edited by dragging handles on the upbeat grid lines [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5741/366_SwingGridHandles.gif)]
text box for manual entry of swing strength
when correcting overlapping notes, also correct CC events at the same time/channel
when correcting overlapping notes/CC, always preserve the selected note/CC

Custom colors:

action to reset random color generator (also resets default.palette if it exists)
if default.reapalette file exists, use those colors instead of random colors
default.reapalette (resource dir): text file of R G B values, one color per line
organized default custom color menu entries
preference for media item background tint strength, for selected/unselected media items [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5774/366_Tint_Strength.gif)]
preference to automatically color any recording pass that adds takes to existing items [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5767/366_autocolor_takes.gif)]
support for setting all takes created in the same recording pass to a custom color [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5771/366_action_to_color_rec_pass.gif)]
support for setting custom colors per-take

MIDI quantize:

actions to quantize note position, or position and end, to grid
added actions and options to quantize notes only, or all events
added bypass checkbox to quantize dialog
checkbox to fix overlaps on commit
notes will move with grid changes if quantize dialog is open when changing grid or swing [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5742/366_MoveNotesWithGrid.gif)] [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5743/366_MoveNotesWithGrid_2.gif)]
overhauled quantize dialog
when quantize grid is set to editor grid, quantize swing setting is linked to editor swing

OSX:

better text field coloring
fixed 2GB+ file peakfile generation/reading
fixed a few graphical glitches relating to docked windows
selecting default system devices now allows differing input/outputs

Recording:

organized options for behavior when recording over existing items
recording over existing items can split the old items and add takes, create new items, or trim existing items [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5769/366_rec_over_items_options.gif)]
ensure that loop recording creates correct length files when "add new files on loop" enabled
fix for loop recording sometimes being slightly off the loop edges
new preference to discard incomplete first/last takes if at least one full loop was recorded [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5773/366_Discard_incomplete_recordings_harder.gif)]

Takes:

action to activate take under mouse, mapped to "Y" by default (for "yes")
media item drawing optimizations
media items can be locked to the active take (to prevent mouse clicks from switching takes) [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5748/366_Lock_active_take.gif)]
preference to link or unlink all takes when editing start offset (slip editing) [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5777/366_Drag-pref.gif)]

Tracks:

"Options/Show overlapping items in lanes" creates as many lanes as necessary [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5740/366_multi_lanes.gif)]
when showing items in lanes, items whose audio will mask other items are drawn in a higher lane [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5753/366_Masking_item_displayed_higher.gif)]
automatically remove tracks created by accidentally moving an item down too far [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5747/366_automatically_remove_drag_tracks.gif)]
added preference to remove or retain tracks created by moving an item below the last track and back

Automation:

higher recording speed for FX parameter automation
refresh track volume/pan sliders when deleting a track envelope in read/write modes

Color theme:

added themeable colored bars to optionally display on selected items, active takes [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5770/366_themeable_item_bars.gif)]
added themeable colors for MIDI note/CC text colors (light and dark)

API: allow extensions and ReaScript to get/set take custom colors, recording pass ID
Custom menu editor: action list automatically switches to the correct section when changing menus
Envelopes: drawing optimizations when zoomed out
External sync: option to only use external sync on playback or recording, or both
Master VU: fixed inaccurate RMS meter calculation with some window/audio buffer sizes
Media items: draw media source end notch slightly differently for unlooped items [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5768/366_Draw_source_end_notch_differently.gif)]
MIDI: fixed MIDI notes sometimes not being played when coinciding exactly with a time signature change
Nudge/set: checkbox to preserve relative item positioning in set mode [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5772/366_relative_set.gif)]
Preferences: new tab for path settings (default render path, default recording path, alternate peak cache path)
ReaControlMIDI: fixed reading .ins files that contain trailing blank lines
ReaGate: checkbox to invert gate output (when loud, duck wet signal vs dry) [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5744/366_ReaGateDuck2.gif)]
Scrollbars: improved zoom button sizing
Toolbar: refresh custom toolbars after linking/unlinking loop points and time selection via preferences
Transport menu: fixed checkmarks on submenu items (such as external sync, etc)
Video: preliminary support for flip/rotate of video (video source properties) [demo (http://stash.reaper.fm/5746/366_video_xform.gif)]
VST: inform plugins if transport repeat is enabled
Windows: better audio device closing behavior when minimizing REAPER and stopped

3.66: Whatsnew Explained (http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=558421)

[TAFKAT]

Now compare that to the list on Steinis recent unsupported hotfixes.... ROTFLMFAO.

[norbury brook]

3.67 is already in beta :) I've decided not to upgrade to nuendo 5 after using Reaper now for my last 2 projects,the X64 version is rock solid :D


MC

[LEX]

Cockos Incorporated was founded in 2004 as a software development company with philanthropic goals.

The engineers who founded Cockos were tired by the frustration and oppression of working within large
companies. Large public companies often find themselves slaves to their shareholders and while focusing on
money, lose sight of what's really important.

The software development background of Cockos is extensive--our employees have developed end-user
software, software distribution tools, peer-to-peer network and media streaming architectures that are used by
many millions of people (examples include Winamp, NSIS, Gnutella, and SHOUTcast).

Some rules we try to follow:
 Give new features to customers quickly: the paradigm of batching updates and then selling them is both a terrible experience for the customer, and detrimental to the quality of the software.
 Avoid copy-protection and DRM schemes: these schemes are almost always ineffective, and usually result in a poorer experience for paying customers than for pirates.
 Price software reasonably, trust your customers
 Resources should be spent on product development whenever possible. To the consumer, this translates to more bang for the buck.

[Rome]

Speaking of bang for the buck - Cockos has published the price structure for new REAPER 4 licenses und upgrades from older versions:



Hello my friends,

We are currently expecting to release REAPER 4 sometime near the end of 2010 or beginning of 2011.

The normal price and terms of REAPER licenses will not change from version 3 to version 4:

If you bought a license during the REAPER 3 series, REAPER 4 will be a free upgrade, and you will continue to get free upgrades through version 4.99.

If you have never bought a REAPER license, a new REAPER 4 license will be $60/$225, and will include free upgrades through version 5.99. (See here (http://www.cockos.com/reaper/purchase.php) for an explanation of the difference between the two license prices.)

We also have a couple of new prices to announce, to make sure everyone feels like they are getting a fair deal, regardless of when they choose to purchase REAPER:

Effective immediately, new licenses for REAPER 3 will be $40/$150. The license will include free upgrades through version 4.99. The reason for this discount is to offer a fair price during the last part of the REAPER 3 cycle.

If you bought a license during the REAPER 2 series, you will be able to buy a REAPER 4 license for $50, after REAPER 4 is released. The terms will be identical to a new version 4 license, and include free upgrades through version 5.99. (The $50 price applies to commercial REAPER 2 license holders as well.) The reason for this discount is to say thank you.

In summary, you can:

Buy a new REAPER 3 license now for $40/150. Includes free upgrades through 4.99.

Upgrade a REAPER 3 license to REAPER 4 for free, after REAPER 4 is released. Includes free upgrades through 4.99.

Buy a new REAPER 4 license for $60/225, after REAPER 4 is released. Includes free upgrades through 5.99.

Upgrade a REAPER 2 license to REAPER 4 for $50, after REAPER 4 is released. Includes free upgrades through 5.99.



Thanks as always for supporting REAPER!

-Justin (+SCO)

Source (http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=571933)


Sounds fair. :icon_cool:

[UntamedSpirit]

another month,more fixes and features.

The interesting thing is, if you were waiting for any of these, you don't have to wait for a major version update to use them.
You probably won't hear (from COCKOS) that "beta has been enjoying them since there were fixed 12 months ago but we couldn't risk a hotfix update that could break the software." Sound familiar?

Version 4 of REAPER is due out this year and you can be pretty sure, there will be a steady stream of updates before then and immediately after.

Maybe this is not a traditional approach, but I think fewer and fewer people are seeing it as unworkable.

Expect Steinberg to follow suit :D
(my attempt at humour)

p.s anyone who hasn't installed SWS extensions or REAmenus is missing out.


REAPER 3.672 - August 29, 2010


Changes: Prepare to fast forward

* MIDI editor:
o smoother editing for swing grid handles
o snap pitch/pan CC bars to center [demo]
o don't create extra undo point when moving/copying events
o fixed advancing cursor when step recording with swing grid enabled
o fixed crash when double-clicking collapsed CC lane
o fixed paste preserving position in measure in first partial measure of a media item
o new theme color for octave grid line [demo]
o update display immediately after event list context menu action
o when a single CC event is dragged, display the actual event time/value in the lower right
* FX:
o adding FX via quick-add menu floats the FX window (if the user preference is to show the FX window at all)
o double click a floating FX title bar to return the FX to the chain window [demo]
o double-click empty space in the FX chain list (under the current inserted FX) to open the FX browser
o fixed potential flood of FX automation messages
o optionally show the current track FX in the FX button context menu, click to float/unfloat individual FX [demo]
o when adding an FX chain, auto-float each FX window if the preference is set [demo]
* OSX:
o fixed a graphic glitch when updating track I/O window
o fixed drawing behavior when tabbing through tracks to rename
o fixed plug-in pin connector dialog not showing [+] button
o fixed tiny font and odd alignment in track IO dialog, MIDI CC lanes
o fixed too-large font on track meters
* Action:
o scroll view vertically (midi CC): prevent scrolling offscreen
o split items at timeline grid affects offscreen items properly
o toggle mute for track sends or receives 1-8
* AU:
o fixed occasional noise blast from plugins that can't handle anticipative processing (AUPeakLimiter)
o better support for multi-output AUs (thanks, VSL)
* Preferences:
o moved volume/pan fader range settings to Appearance/VU Meters and Faders
o preference to suppress splitting all items at the edit cursor if nothing is selected
* Render:
o added minimize button to minimize REAPER during renders
o fixed rendered items sometimes being one sample too short with certain sample rate/buffer size settings
* Takes:
o actions to rotate take lanes forward or backward for selected items [demo]
o copy/preserve take FX when new recording splits an existing media item (obeys preference to copy take FX on split)
o internal changes to take processing
* Theme support:
o background images with yellow lines (outer-areas) now properly supported for track name, vol, pan labels, etc
o better detection of theme changes (faster)
o button images can now have pink lines for stretching
* Tooltips:
o action to toggle on/off tooltips for media items and envelopes [demo]
o multi-line tooltips for envelopes, items, item fades
o multi-line tooltips for track IO, ENV, FX buttons [demo]
* Video/FFmpeg:
o better audio seek mechanism
o fixed duration on broken MPEG-1 files
* Video/Windows:
o added EVR output for Vista+ machines (improved video display when using Aero)
o fixed hang when using REAPER over RDP
* VST:
o ensure "show VST folders" option is persistent
o when VST folders enabled and VST names disabled, don't show path twice in FX button right-click menu
* API: export Help_Set function (show help text in the area below the track panels)
* Cues: fixed drawing of extra cues on unlooped items that are longer than the underlying media source
* Envelopes: pan envelope lane slider direction is consistent in trim/read vs write modes [demo]
* External editors: when passing a region to Sound Forge, round to the nearest sample
* Grid: fixed actions to split at grid, move cursor left/right to nearest grid position
* Grouped items: more consistent behavior when editing grouped item edges
* Help: when modifier keys are down, show what action is about to occur when editing items and envelope points
* Item crossfades: shift+alt drag moves the crossfade and stretches both items [demo]
* Marquee: shift overrides snap when selecting items and time together [demo]
* Media explorer: options for default action (insert media, preview media, do nothing)
* Parameter modulation: smoother audio control signal modulation with very short attack/release
* Playback: fixed play cursor positioning when starting near end of project/loop
* Project parsing: less heap use when parsing projects (faster loading of large projects)
* ReaEQ: Cockos VST extension support for manually editing envelope points [demo]
* s/SVN/Git/: new revision IDs in about box
* Undo: don't create extra undo point when control+drag copying media items
* Undo/Save: safer behavior when loading media item state
* Video: better peaks display when zoomed in on videos that use compressed audio
* Video/QuickTime: added sample accurate seek when using Quicktime decoder
* Windows: fix for waveOut latency going off after many hours



Changes explained in more detail.


OS Requirements:

Windows (32-bit): Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7 or WINE (limited support for W98/ME).
Windows (64-bit): Windows XP/Vista/7 x64 (requires x64 compatible drivers for audio/MIDI hardware).
OS X: 10.4, 10.5 or 10.6, PPC or Intel (Intel recommended).

[Animus]

Are the more revealing is how much they get done and being a small shop, when compared to Steinberg.

[LEX]

Reaper v3.69 - Sept 20th

Changes: Hello, maintenance.

OSX:
avoid blinking cursor and tooltip when holding down a modifier key
fixed VST-shell project loading on PPC
fixed drawing issues (primarily related to docked media explorer)
Media item buttons: option to show/hide buttons based on item height
Media item labels: option to show/hide text label based on item height
Nudge/set: pass space bar through from nudge dialog to main window
Parameter modulation: fixed problem when using latent plugins
Project: safer writing of long lines to project file/undo memory
Themes: background stretching fixes

[Rome]

Almost missed this one. These guys are working full power on v4 but still have the time to work on "old" versions (3.75 is on the horizon already).

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REAPER 3.74 - December 24, 2010

Tending to the Holidays:


VST: more handling for VSTs that resize themselves
VST: fixed window sizing bug causing some FX to open in a too-small window
Actions: fixed loop length halve/double actions
API: fixed support for modifying very short items via certain API functions
Master track: channel count now reset on new project, able to save in project defaults
MIDI editor bank/program select: don't sort program banks alphabetically
MIDI recording: prevent dropped notes in MIDI replace record mode
Mixer: fx parameter scroll button positioning fixes
Nudge/set: fixed bug when duplicating grouped items
OSX: Better performance when updating arrange view while bringing media online
Project templates: default project template is now stored with relative path in .ini (for config import/export, portable installs)
ReaControlMIDI: fixed manual text entry of pitch and pan values
Stability: various small potential memory corruption fixes (thanks, nitpicker!)
Track locking: fixed unlocking of track not adding undo state
WINE support: properly detect newer versions of WINE

[Sonic01]

Yes, sure does. Incidentally, during the development of this release, I was giving Reaper another workout and I posted about an issue I was encountering re visibility of sends in the mixer. I was upfront and told them that I didn't have a license (then), but this was an important thing for me and a few days later they had sorted it out. (it's the Mixer one in the list).

The spin on that is that they give better service to the general public than Steinberg give to their customers. :D

Well said. It's exactly this kind of spirit that made me swap over to Reaper. I feel I've broken free of my shackles to $B at last... and boy does it feel GOOD! Really GOOD.

[John Lance]

I'm hoping at some point for a few additional "bells & whistles", but Reaper has a light footprint overall and that is one item I've liked about it. It will run on some older hardware that I don't mind "sending into the field" for portable duty.

Reaper has my two thumbs up. I am at version 4.10 rev 8072e4 here. (Sept 30, 2011).

Both 32 bit and 64 bit work excellently with no problems mixing and matching plugins (with the Reaper plugin bridging) for what I use. You can take a session started in 32 bit and open it in the 64 bit version or visa-versa without issues. At least I don't have any issues doing that.

Nuendo is still the "kitchen sink" DAW, if you understand what I'm saying. It's just that some of the house that comes with the kitchen sink is in need of fixin'. I might upgrade Nuendo someday.

[Sonic01]

Once you get into a DAW and get used to all it's peculiarities, along with the huge investment in time and expense required, there is a real reluctance to change to something else. The software DAW giants know this so by offering another "coat of paint" and a few more bells and whistles on each paid-for upgrade they help to maintain the belief we all have that "one day" it will become the DAW we always wanted it to become... this is how they manage to stay in business and we, as users, remain frustrated and irate. Locked into a cycle of constantly paying money to companies we hate builds resentment and anger... not the ideal qualities one wants to develop when attempting to create inspiring, meditative sonic pieces.

The relief of moving over to Reaper has truly liberated me from this endless dilemma of frustration that I have endured for many years.

The spirit of both the software and community is a real joy. It is a relief to know that in many, many ways, a better alternative exists and it's not expensive or that difficult to swap over.

It's easy. The relief, as far as I am concerned, is like walking free of a prison... the difference between night and day.

If anyone has any doubts, make that jump to freedom, you won't regret it. :icon_lol: