No More PC internet....

[LEX]

Yep.

I have decommisioned my internet PC and replaced it with a Macmini for internet and PT LE.

No more PC's accessing the internet here.

LEX

[shanabit]

What will you ever do without Trojans, Viruses, Spam???

[unanimity]

i use internet on DAW pc but then again it's only for midi

[HHaynes]

But Apple just had to hire an OLPC security guy to *harden* OSX (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/05/apple-hires-former-olpc-security-head-to-harden-mac-os-x.ars?utm_source=microblogging&utm_medium=arstch&utm_term=Main%20Account&utm_campaign=microblogging) - why is that?

:D


Despite its assertion that Macs don't suffer from the viruses and malware that Windows does in a number of its "Get a Mac" ads, Apple has been criticized for not taking security seriously enough. This is particularly because Leopard does not implement (or implement fully) the same security measures as Windows Vista. Lest you think Apple is hoping that its relatively small market share will keep it safe forever, though, the company has hired former director of security architecture at One Laptop per Child, Ivan Krstić, to handle core security for its operating systems.

[LEX]

But Apple just had to hire an OLPC security guy to *harden* OSX (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/05/apple-hires-former-olpc-security-head-to-harden-mac-os-x.ars?utm_source=microblogging&utm_medium=arstch&utm_term=Main%20Account&utm_campaign=microblogging) - why is that?

:D

That's all fine and dandy, but last I checked there was a MAC virus embedded in a pirate version of iWork.
That's it.

Besides, not have Vista ask me whether it is okay to do something or not, was pretty nice.

So they are comparing Vista security to Leopard.
Apples and Oranges there my friend.

LEX

[D]

What will you ever do without Trojans, Viruses, Spam???

Spam can hit you no matter what platform you use. :iconyfcys3: (there's no jackoff emoticon)

In 30 years of using computers, the only virus or trojan I've ever had was purposeful.

Again, there's no *wanker* emoticon, but I guess being a mac luser, people can just assume you're a wanker. :rotfl:

[TAFKAT]

What will you ever do without Trojans, Viruses, Spam???

:icon_rolleyes:

Multiple PC's here online 24/7 , with no "security updates" on XPSP2/3 , with only an updated anti virus application , Kaspersky, and its an absolute non issue, this whole Mac Virus free FUD from the cool aide brigade really gets me.

Its not that hard to stay virus free with some basic common sense.

If you cannot safely navigate the internet with a PC without getting virused, then IMO its a PICNIC, not the platform..

PICNIC - Problem In Chair, Not In Computer :

[TAFKAT]

Besides, not have Vista ask me whether it is okay to do something or not, was pretty nice...

.. its takes all of 2 seconds to disable that idiotic user account setting.. !!

[unanimity]

Again, there's no *wanker* emoticon, but I guess being a mac luser, people can just assume you're a wanker.

i think it was a joke actually

[LEX]

It is a very weird thing for me.

Having been a PC user for 22 years before my first MAC, which I swore I would never buy.

I bought a MAC Book Pro almost a year ago. Still haven't put XP on it.
I still have the partition waiting. I am not going to install it.

I have been against MAC forever. But I have to say, that for ease of use it just is SO much easier.
Lets take sleep for example. I close the MAC lappy, and open it up again it is awake in 2 seconds.

Not the BS MS hybernation shit.

It has been a far better laptop than any PC laptop I have had. OSX is really a good OS.
What is really appealing is the OS booting. I have PT on another partition, so booting into it takes 2 minutes.
And I can have and external drive with PT 8 on it without fucking with my system.

I know the whole CPU threading that goes on with MAC.
My next upgrade in the STudio will be PC, but I'll never buy another PC laptop.
The Mac mini Rocks.
For anything other than slaves or Host machines, (unless I go Logic), I will be PC.

For everything else I have to say after 26 years, I moved to MAC.

Like I have left SB and Nuendo, there just isn't the time anymore to have to fuck around.

XP rocks, Vista sucks.

Everything is XP and works. I don;t see much of an upgrade other than the host in the near future.
And if XP can't be run, then I won't.

So it is kind of a good buy.
Don;'t know how much time I have left.

Cheers.

LEX

[D]

Besides, not have Vista ask me whether it is okay to do something or not, was pretty nice.

Turning off UAC takes a few seconds and a reboot. :icon_rolleyes:

[dcwave]

XP rocks, Vista sucks.

LEX


I used to feel that way too... until I bought a laptop with Vista Premium installed - after about 30 minutes getting used to the changes in locations for some things I find it to be a pleasant experience, no different than XP and in some ways better.

But to each his own.

[Softy]

It is a very weird thing for me.

Having been a PC user for 22 years before my first MAC, which I swore I would never buy.

I bought a MAC Book Pro almost a year ago. Still haven't put XP on it.
I still have the partition waiting. I am not going to install it.

I have been against MAC forever. But I have to say, that for ease of use it just is SO much easier.
Lets take sleep for example. I close the MAC lappy, and open it up again it is awake in 2 seconds.

Not the BS MS hybernation shit.

It has been a far better laptop than any PC laptop I have had. OSX is really a good OS.
What is really appealing is the OS booting. I have PT on another partition, so booting into it takes 2 minutes.
And I can have and external drive with PT 8 on it without fucking with my system.

I know the whole CPU threading that goes on with MAC.
My next upgrade in the STudio will be PC, but I'll never buy another PC laptop.
The Mac mini Rocks.
For anything other than slaves or Host machines, (unless I go Logic), I will be PC.

For everything else I have to say after 26 years, I moved to MAC.

Like I have left SB and Nuendo, there just isn't the time anymore to have to fuck around.

XP rocks, Vista sucks.

Everything is XP and works. I don;t see much of an upgrade other than the host in the near future.
And if XP can't be run, then I won't.

So it is kind of a good buy.
Don;'t know how much time I have left.

Cheers.

LEX

You're story is almost exactly the same as mine, except that I have had my own computers for over 34 years, used lots of computers prior to "PCs," etc. I certainly never thought that I'd ever switch to the Mac (the computer for people who either like to dress up their mice in costumes, or are just too stupid to deal with computers). But I am definitely now switching to them pretty much entirely (there will always be Linux, Windows, and various other machines here, especially in my computer museum). The only Windows machines here otherwise are a couple that are running Steinberg apps. Those are just waiting for Mac issues to be resolved, or a switch to something other than those Steinberg apps.

[TAFKAT]

I have been against MAC forever. But I have to say, that for ease of use it just is SO much easier.



Hey Lex,

I am not against Mac as such, I am against the constant FUD..

BTW: I am not sure what you are on about to be honest in regards to waking from sleep, I have an ASUS netbook which is my "lounge net system" , which wakes from sleep in a few seconds, in regards to the rest, each to their own.

I am surrounded by many Mac users, some quite knowledgeable who I have the highest respect for, some are just coolaidies who have no idea past the FUD , and many in between, in the end , what ever works..,

Pesonally, I am yet to see anything on OSX that would make me switch.

I personally can do anything I need to faster and easier on XP than Linux or OSX , I have enough eye candy on my XP installs that equal if not exceed Vista/OSX lipstick on a pig, without it being a lethargic slug , I have no security issues by simply using some common sense..

RE the Macbooks being better notebooks overall, I agree they are great compared to the name branded , bloated crap that some of the PC vendors peddle out, but a good clean out of the bloat in the add/remove menu can do wonders there..

Anyhow,

I am still toying with the idea of installing the latest Ubuntu Studio on a spare system to have another play, if only the Linux gurus could sort out their wireless implementation better.. , yeh, not to mention their basic application installation routines..., hmmmm, come to think of it, Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..

Better the Devil We Know.. :D

[unanimity]

I know what I might rather be using but then again if it gets me through the day then that's all I need.

In other words if it's uptime is longer than a day then that's all it needs to do and Vista does that for me.

[tunetown]

:icon_rolleyes:PICNIC - Problem In Chair, Not In Computer :
Thare's also:
PIBCAM - Problem Is Between Chair And Monitor

When you here your IT man say you've got a Pibcam error, now you know what he means.

:D

[kdm]

Cool Lex - enjoy the new mini (edit: don't know why I wrote laptop the first time...:-/ ).

My biggest beef with Macs currently is performance for audio; too frequent updates to the OS that break other apps; rebooting every day or two when things "get weird" as the Mac guys around here talk about (no problem for a laptop/net comp, but not acceptable for the studio).

It's funny, my Mac clients/friends joke about how how much work it takes to get and keep Windows running, and yet I frequently hear them talk about having to delete preferences or rebooting when things "get weird", or even reinstall OSX/run time machine to go back from a recent update. (I've only had to do that once on a laptop with Vista that crashed and corrupted due to unplugging a badly designed USB device.)

But the egos are so high, and since they are clients I just have to laugh, sigh and say nothing.... all the while my PCs have been up and running for days, weeks, months... never update, never rebuild, never delete preferences - just work.

OSX is more fun and does have some better user interface capabilities, but imho, XP is far more stable and efficient.

Vista really is not bad at all - my laptop has been working fine for a year now with no virus software, firewall, etc. I just don't do stupid things with it - some of the other PCs have access to the net, but only for updating licenses, NI service center, etc. Just my .OS2

[shanabit]

Having used BOTH platforms here, I dont see a big difference between VISTA and Leopard. Cubase is more snappy on the PC IMO, I never used any of the APPLE stuff anyways, just running the audio apps and thats it so I guess I wouldnt see much of a diff anyways. Bottom line for me is Cubase runs on BOTH and I LOVE that

[Softy]

Having used BOTH platforms here, I dont see a big difference between VISTA and Leopard. Cubase is more snappy on the PC IMO, I never used any of the APPLE stuff anyways, just running the audio apps and thats it so I guess I wouldnt see much of a diff anyways. Bottom line for me is Cubase runs on BOTH and I LOVE that

Yeah, that's the best thing, isn't it? I certainly wouldn't try to get anybody to switch from one platform to the other. But with my recent head trauma, etc., it's even more convenient to be able to say to former clients "I don't really use any of that Windows stuff anymore, and don't remember much about it." :wink:

The fact is, I don't have ANY technical mishaps on either platform. I just like the idea of switching to OS X more or less entirely. I'll keep my Steinberg apps running on the P5W DH-based Q6600 Windows systems until I can get better performance on a Mac. At that point, I won't care that I can get even better performance on Windows.

[LEX]

The issue isn't really whether or not Vista or Leopard is better.

It is really more than the difference between the 2 on the internet is little to none as far as I can tell.
There are some things that I do like better, and another reason it just makes sense.

iCalender is great. And without it, I'd probably be in a mess of bills forgotten to be paid.
Yes, there is Outlook, but I have had outlook dump all my info for no reason before.
iLife is pretty cool as well. A really great way to organize photos and such.

Beside the internet, it makes sense to run PT LE on a MAC over a PC. I have rented my LE system to the stage and can tell you the editors would not have liked a PC LE system.
Plus, I can use Final Cut Studio and DVD Studio Pro on it as well.

Not having to worry so much about malware and spyare and viruses, not that with some proper PC setup they wouldn't be the same.

Honestly, it probably wouldn't have made a difference had I put together a PC system with Vista or not, but just like PC, there are programs that I use that won't run on PC.

For audio, clearly the choice is PC and when I do upgrade my host, it will be PC.

But laptop and the mini are 2 reall great and easy to use things.
And you don't have to update to the latest OS if you don't want to.

LEX

[unanimity]

In essence, PC means "Poor Computer" and mac means "Major Affluent Computer".

PC for poor people MAC for rich

[RiffWraith]

Don;'t know how much time I have left.



Uhh, what the hell does that mean? :icon_eek:

[LEX]

Uhh, what the hell does that mean? :icon_eek:

Don't know what I meant. Obviously a typo or unfinished/incomplete thought.

Oops.

No worries.

LEX

[RiffWraith]

Whew.

I mean, right before that, you did say:

"So it is kind of a good buy."

So, what I got was:

"So it is kind of a goodbye. Don;'t know how much time I have left."

:rotfl:

[kdm]

Well, he already kind of said a goodbye in the no more Nuendo thread.

He's on to ProTools now - left the land of the living and entered the land of the walking zombies:

"must...thslsf..use...lsfslswa...prowhhh..toooolszz z"

:rotfl:

(what the heck is up with the board putting a space after tooolzs, tooolzz or tooolzs?)

[blob]

:icon_rolleyes:

Multiple PC's here online 24/7 , with no "security updates" on XPSP2/3 , with only an updated anti virus application , Kaspersky, and its an absolute non issue, this whole Mac Virus free FUD from the cool aide brigade really gets me.

Its not that hard to stay virus free with some basic common sense.

If you cannot safely navigate the internet with a PC without getting virused, then IMO its a PICNIC, not the platform..

PICNIC - Problem In Chair, Not In Computer :

:098:

Same here. 3PCs 24/7 on SP2 without ANY security updates ( dont give a s%%% , nothing important on the drives either). Only Antivir and firewall. Didn´t reinstall XP for years.

[TAFKAT]

I am still toying with the idea of installing the latest Ubuntu Studio on a spare system to have another play....

Well more fool me..

Finally got around to installing Ubuntu Studio 9.04 ..

After navigating some unfamiliar and archaic menus to do some basic partitioning, etc, I finally got to the menu to choose which bundled applications to install , options being for audio production, video production, graphics.., why not all of the above I thought to myself .., anyhow, choose audio production and finalised the install..

System reboots, asks for login details , hmmm, oh yeh, It did demand user and login , now what were they again, hmmm, o.k , got it, I'm in.., cool desktop wallpaper , cool taskbar and theme not to dissimilar to my custom XP theme , all good. System is responsive and motoring along- for a PIII 1GHZ/512 MB RAM in a cube server case that I had collecting dust..

Go to start menu and navigate to audio production applications, empty except basic sound recorder ? , wheres Ardour I think to myself.., quick navigation thru the other menus and apart from Firefox and some other piddly apps , the install was bone dry.. WTF ?

It must be the new build I thinks to myself, download and install 8.0x , which is listed as recommended for mission critical environments..:eusa_whistle: , go thru the same hoops with partitions, etc, select application suite, etc, finalise install.., asks for login and password, but not a new funky graphical page like V9.x, no this is still in DOS Prompt land.., user password accepted, system will not boot into O.S, giving me some bullshite hieroglyphics at the prompt.. ?? WTF

Reboot, same shite.., lifes to short..

Back to the v9.0 installation from scratch , and before anyone asks why I didn't just image the first install, well thats another chapter, as my imaging software refused to work on the Linux partition, saying it had not been dismounted, blah, blah..

Anyhow now back to V9 , the so called Bundled Audio Suite is bone dry, and I need to be online to be able to actually access the available applications to install, interestingly Ardour not listed.. ??? !!!

Whats even more frustrating is the installer listed that you can select one or more of the suites, I couldn't see any way to select multiple unless I missed the boat, and once selected/installed, there is no easy way to access installing the other bundled suites..

In short, I wish I hadn't gone there , and am desperately regretting loosing the few hours I wasted this morning, not to mention the blinding headache I have right now , feeling like a total nube...

Linux my Arse, they can have it................:tantrum:

O.K, I'm better now.., back to the Devil I know...

[TAFKAT]

O.K, I just couldn't let it go...

With the help of a friend who is a Unix/Linux user , sorted where I was going wrong with the install in regards to selecting the application packages , its amazing what actually reading the bloody instructions on the bottom of the screen will do for you , and am now happily bouncing around the web on FF and blabbing away on IM via pigeon , while having a poke around the huge number of included audio/video/graphics apps.., very cool.

Still a little flaky , the system crashed while 1/2 way thru installing Open Office, and now trying to remove or repair it is requiring a degree in command prompts, but apart from that I am enjoying poking around on the other side of the fence..

This is just a taster for me, I'll probably update the system to something a little more beefy if I plan to have it around permanently , its struggling a little with its 32MB Nvidia vid card and only 512 of RAM , buts is giving me a hint of how good Ubuntu can be as a web/email box..

As any type of audio/video production alternative, hmmm, I'll reserve judgment there..

[dcwave]

Just checked out the Ardour page. Interesting looking application I might load it on a spare box later today and give it a test drive

[TAFKAT]

Just checked out the Ardour page. Interesting looking application I might load it on a spare box later today and give it a test drive

Hey Dave,

It does look interesting.. , SAE has adopted it as their default application in their training, 2 edged sword there, thats for sure...

You'll be running it on OSX I presume, as its only available in the supplied distros, unless you compile it from source yourself on an existing Linux install, IMO , this is why Linux will always be an also ran and never a serious contender... :-(

The potential is there, but when basic manual application install is so involved , its still miles from being there. The included add/remove application utility is great if you are online, unless of course something goes wrong like what happened to me, and I am nstill in Terminal Prompt Hell.. :-(

I'll keep poking around on a secondary box when I have some time and braincells to kill..

[dcwave]

No OSX here. I'll run it on Linux and compile it myself with the VST support - if I get off my butt and do something today, that is (vacation day of sitting around and doing nothing).

[unanimity]

It does look interesting.. , SAE has adopted it as their default application in their training, 2 edged sword there, thats for sure...

if you know anything about the proprieter, you'll know that it's not for the want of trying but rather it's for money

[TAFKAT]

No OSX here. I'll run it on Linux and compile it myself with the VST support - if I get off my butt and do something today, that is (vacation day of sitting around and doing nothing).

Cool..

You actually know your way around a Linux box by the sound of it.

I need to quiz you on getting around that inane error any time I try and install anything now after that glitch while installing O.O .., anything to do with command prompts and I am all thumbs.., I am a child of the GUI generation.. :wink:

I'll hit you up later on IM.., on the Linux box no less..