Presonus Studio One

[TAFKAT]

" Presonus Studio One is a groundbreaking music creation and production application for Mac OS X and Windows XP/Vista that makes audio recording, MIDI sequencing, and audio mastering ridiculously simple right out of the box, yet provides a wealth of professional features "

Check it out Here (http://www.presonus.com/products/SoftwareDetail.aspx?SoftwareId=11)

Don't know what to make of it yet to be honest, I'd be interested to know where the source code is from, I doubt they have just written it from scratch.

Recording, Mixing , Looping, Mastering, Red Book Burning all in one..

[kdm]

Presonus partnered with Kristal Labs (http://www.kristallabs.com). It was 3 years in the making and had an early release/beta version under Kristal a year or two(?) ago.

Bigger screenshot here (http://kristallabs.com/images/products/studioone_screen_large.jpg).

[leggy]

32 bit program right?


Rob

[Animus]

More competition for Steiny is a good thing.

[Animus]

oh shit. THese are x Steinberg guys at Krystal Labs.


ounded in 2006 by Wolfgang Kundrus and Matthias Juwan, KristalLabs is a start-up company with extensive experience in the music software industry.

Wolfgang Kundrus was the main software architect of "Cubase" and "Nuendo" while working at Steinberg. He is the founder of the "MusicDock" online platform.

Matthias Juwan was working on various commercial software products, among others "Cubase", "HALion", "Plex" and the VST plug-in technology, while at Steinberg. He is the lead developer of the well-known freeware sequencer "KRISTAL Audio Engine".

KristalLabs is working on next-generation software solutions for music production on PC and Macintosh.

KristalLabs is based in Hamburg, Germany.

[Andrew J]

oh shit. THese are x Steinberg guys at Krystal Labs.

Is that good shit or bad shit?

[dcwave]

There's a couple of cool features listed:

http://www.presonus.com/news/press/Detail.aspx?NewsID=96

[TAFKAT]

2 of the main software architects for Steinberg left to start their own company years back , its all starting to make way more sense to me why its felt like a ship without a rudder for a long while..

This could rattle the cages at Steini just enough to get them to sweep out the shite, and take out the garbage, lets hope so.

My only concern is that they stamped "Presonus" on it, lets just say they as a company are not on the top of my tree - and that is an understatement- support being literally non existent for their hardware products if you have the misfortune of running into any issues, so my only hope is that MO doesn't filter down to the support for the application.

[dcwave]

I have had no problem with support from them - had my central station's remote go bad on me within a month of purchasing (bad volume pot) and had a replacement sent out right away.

[TAFKAT]

Hey Dave,

I suppose the support level will depend on what it actually entails..

I have in the past contacted them in regards to issues with the drivers, and have never , and I mean never gotten a response. Recently I have encountered issues with their Firebox units not initialising on a cold boot correctly, and discovered its a long term issue across both OSX and XP/Vista that has been reported at their Forum, and simply ignored. Its tied to a firmware update but they have yet to resolve or make the earlier working firmware available publicly, and requests for the earlier firmware , or even any response to the issue has been met with total silence both on the forum and via official email support..

This is not an MO that instils a lot of confidence in me..

I have just read that the support and development team for Studio One is a totally separate entity , meaning that Presonus has simply branded the product.

Let me tell you from my perspective , that is a major plus.. :-)

[Animus]

I have had no problem with support from them - had my central station's remote go bad on me within a month of purchasing (bad volume pot) and had a replacement sent out right away.


Well that's the rub. You had it go bad on you within a month new. I had mine go bad within a year. THey wouldn't send me a new one but I had to wait like 2 weeks for a repair. Sold that junk right away and got a DBox. Presonus are just another prosumer value company that sells plastic junk, maybe just a step up from Behringer.

[Animus]

I have just read that the support and development team for Studio One is a totally separate entity , meaning that Presonus has simply branded the product.

Let me tell you from my perspective , that is a major plus.. :-)


I think it's more likely they bankrolled them. Let's hope they are a separate entity.

[UntamedSpirit]

there's a screenshot and a pretty standard list of DAW features.

NO release date

NO video of it in action

excuse me for being less than excited just yet :sleeping:

[TAFKAT]

Vin, I have the older firmware file. Let me know if you want a copy.

Hey Nate,

That would be great.., Thanks Mate.

Drop me a PM and we can sort the best way to get it to me..

Back On Topic,

@Rob,

There is a preliminary video of it running at the Presonus Site, and I have also discovered that Wolfgang Kundrus was the main brain behind Nuendo 1 , so I am not going to be writing this off so easily. I have a feeling this could shake a few trees , my only qualm is that it has "Presonus" on it.

Thses guys have definately been listening more to the Cubendo end users than Steinberg have by the look of it..

I'll be interested what if any video support it has.., and I'll also be interested how well it scales across multicores/threads.., I'll be sure to put it thru its paces against the more established as soon as a demo pops up.

Well I hope they offer a demo..

[TAFKAT]

Just found another vid of Studio One being demoed at Messe Here (http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/03/messe09-presonus-studio-one/)

[D]

Actually looks really cool, but that guy is high on cocaine. :rotfl:

[UntamedSpirit]

@Vin
you're right, looks like it could be interesting with that pedigree....

BUT

according to the video it's aimed at "the 80% of users who don't need high end capabilities".

not particularly inspiring for a "revolutionary" new DAW.

If I had heard who was coding it and not seen the video I might have been more enthused, but someone enlighten me as to what looked so great about it?

" ah yeah, we really can kick ass when looked at feature for feature beside Sequel and Garage Band"

Let's hope there's a demo in the wild soon.

I still am backing REAPER to be making the biggest strides in the next few years mainly because COCKOS is still connected at grassroot level with it's userbase. :098:

[dcwave]

Well that's the rub. You had it go bad on you within a month new. I had mine go bad within a year. THey wouldn't send me a new one but I had to wait like 2 weeks for a repair. Sold that junk right away and got a DBox. Presonus are just another prosumer value company that sells plastic junk, maybe just a step up from Behringer.

I agree with you that they are a prosumer company with one high end product (ADL mic pre). Starting to remind me of m-audio - started off cool with decent stuff and turned into a jack of all trades selling to the GC crowd.

@Vin - I can see if you are using the interfaces and having issues not getting resolved it would be frustrating.

[Daryl]

I think that these videos are pretty much useless in evaluating a DAW. I saw nothing of any interest to me.

I've found that the only way to evaluate a DAW is to use it, or to ask a user specific questions. Logic was a bust within five minutes, same with PT and REAPER. As to whether I'm in the 80% target market, somehow I doubt it

D

[TAFKAT]

I agree that both videos are a little more smoke and mirrors, the live demo at Messe the guy just simply moved some elements around, we didn't actually see/hear the application running LOL

Re the 80%, what he should have said was 80% of the "Presonus" target market , as those of us who have scratched the surface with this company understand that their focus is not at the higher end, and this simplifying of the workflow so to speak will fit in nicely with the demographic being targeted..

Man I am walking on eggshells here... LOL

Their stripped version will replace Cubase LE4 which comes bundled with their units, so Steinberg are already loosing an avenue for snaring new prospective end users at the start up stage from upgrading to real versions.

Re Cubase LE, I'll share a past adventure some will find amusing , the Cubase LE that comes shipped with their units runs the Software only Syncro licensing , and is not able to be activated without going online. No biggie for those that have their DAW online, not so easy for those who don't, actually its impossible. When I queried the lack of offline activation , the response from local "support" ? "..tough, it is what it is, if you don't like it too bad, there isn't anything I can do for you .. " :icon_eek3:

Hmmmmm, right, no problem, I promptly rang the client, informed him I would refuse to install CLE , and recommended he purchase Reaper, which he did, I installed, and the client is as happy as... :eusa_whistle:

[D]

I think that these videos are pretty much useless in evaluating a DAW. I saw nothing of any interest to me.

I've found that the only way to evaluate a DAW is to use it, or to ask a user specific questions. Logic was a bust within five minutes, same with PT and REAPER. As to whether I'm in the 80% target market, somehow I doubt it

D

Logic was too complex IMO, and not that it was "difficult", but it seemed to have more layers of complexity than were necessary.

ProFools was too basic, and lacked much functionality, especially in MIDI. Also extremely limited by track counts, unless you wanted to spend a fortune on their proprietary, overpriced hardware. As Fletcher puts it, DigiDesign should be called ShitiDesign.

Reaper looks promising, but Cubendo isn't really holding me back in any particular ways, and the workflow is very good. It does what I need it to do in an effective manner most of the time. I'm still on versions 3.x. After the way they dropped the promised update for Cubase, back in 2005(?), I swore I'd never give Steinberg another dime.

I got a free version of Cubase AI with my latest keyboard purchase, a KX8 graded hammer action controller. It was on my machine for less than 20 minutes.

[paulwr]

I'm still on Cubase SX 3 as well. I asked the guys at VisionDAW in LA..... they do more computer-farm style composing systems than anyone I know, and they said 40% of their customers that use Cubase are still on SX 3, so I guess I'm not the only one holding out.

I can't imagine jumping into a new Sequencer 1.0. There is just so much to them these days, I can't believe anyone could come along and have a worthy brand spanking new one to take down the current competition. These complex systems have to evolve. Presonus isn't exactly the top of the food chain in digital audio, either. But over time if they are committed, that is what will matter.

-Paul

[trock]

although it will be interesting, since the developers where the guys behind nuendo and cubase originally, so they are not new to this game

[TAFKAT]

Vin, I have the older firmware file. Let me know if you want a copy.

A little off topic..

A quick heads up that the earlier firmware/driver combo resolves the Firewire synchronisation issue that many have been experiencing and reported.

Heres the rub , Presonus have remained silent on this matter for over 12 months when they know full well that the earlier firmware/driver resolves the situation, they will not acknowledge the issue publicly on their forum, nor will they respond to emails from nuemrous end users reporting this problem.

My question to them would be, whats the deal , you know there is a problem, you know how to resolve it, instead you stead fast refuse to acknowledge or make the resolution available to the end users ?

In short, I have absolute no confidence in this companies abilities in supporting anything that they tack their name on, I shudder to think what the support level will be for this application, so from here on in, I will be boycotting this new application, no biggie for them in the greater scheme of things, but a whisper can soon become a roar...

Nate,

Thanks again Bro, without you forwarding the earlier firmware/driver we would have been high and dry..

Presonus - not even a 1/2 rung above Behringer IMO.. :-)

Peace

[trock]

it seems pretty easy to become a beta tester, or at least they are accepting people right now to try it out.

if you go to their forum, i think its here and send an email maybe we could get some really good cubase 4 and 5 users on both PC and MAC to try it out and report directly on what it is and does better or worse than Cubase now?

especially since the developers are the ex nuendo and cubase guys i bet they would love some of us to beta it against cubase directly

http://forums.presonus.com/showthread.php?t=8577

[TAFKAT]

I just shot off an email.., lets see if they let me play...:-)

[tunetown]

I just shot off an email.., lets see if they let me play...:-)
So did I.

[TAFKAT]

So did I.

Hey Peter,

Just spotted a thread over at KVR where one of the guys they let on as a BETA tester broke his NDA and started spraying some nasties.., the thread has now been "quarantined".. :icon_eek3:

Of course this guy is sadly an Aussie, so I hope they don't tar all of us.

I haven't heard anything back yet , maybe they spotted my earlier commentary.. LOL

[tunetown]

Interesting.

Still no reply here.

[RiffWraith]

Anyone get their hands on this yet, either as beta or a release? For $400, I am thinking of giving it a go, but wish I could find someplace that has a demo....:eusa_eh:

[TAFKAT]

I didn't hear a word back, which is not unusual to be honest, as I have never, ever received a reply from Presonus no matter what the subject matter.

It has gone mighty quiet , so they have obviously tightened the NDA's after some initial BETA testers blabbed early on in the piece..

The only guys I know of that got onto the BETA locally, should not be anywhere near a BETA program, I really have no idea what the demographic was that they were after to BETA test this.

We'll just have to wait it out..

[RiffWraith]

Eh, thought it was out. Shipping in Sept. :icon_rolleyes:

[nikki-k]

New "Presonus Software" site:
http://www.presonussoftware.com/en_US/index.php

Blog:
http://www.presonussoftware.com/en_US/index.php?id=blog

Team.. (they have Voodoo!)
http://www.presonussoftware.com/en_US/index.php?id=company-team

[kstevege]

I saw the presentation video. The drag and drop VSTi was really neat. Reminded me of NI Kontakt engine. Curious now to see what else is under the hood.

[LEX]

So basically, the guys who built the SB Daws bailed or were let go, and they started their own DAW.

Hmm..

I guess it is the one to watch considering it seems those who are at SB don't know the code that runs it anyway.

LEX

[Captain Caveman]

So basically, the guys who built the SB Daws bailed or were let go, and they started their own DAW.

Hmm..

I guess it is the one to watch considering it seems those who are at SB don't know the code that runs it anyway.

LEX
Perhaps there will be more schoolboy errors to look forward to in StudioOne along the lines of not being able to route group tracks to ones created previously for the next 6 years too. :)

[TAFKAT]

Anyone thinking of pulling the trigger on this in the short term should be aware of this announcement I spotted on one of the better know online retailers in the US.


Worth Waiting For!
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Not exactly the best way to hit the ground running.

I'd keep my money in my pocket until its confirmed that its shipped !

[LEX]

Yeah.

Besides. I doubt it is going to hit the ground running.

I'd bet it hits the ground, skins its knees and bleeds.

Let's see how well they bandage it up.

Other than Reaper, I've yet to see a software company with new software that continues to stay on top of it.

Even EW and PLAY has really dropped the ball on updates since its release.

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

"unusually long shipping delay" that's about as vague as it gets.
Maybe they are switching to the Steinberg/Synchro dongle, that could account for it :D

[LEX]

"unusually long shipping delay" that's about as vague as it gets.
Maybe they are switching to the Steinberg/Synchro dongle, that could account for it :D

Well it is the same guys from SB, maybe they learned a thing or to about Bullshit delays because they couldn't make the software right before they shipped it.

I'm having my serious doubts about it. Hype can make you "swoon", but reality sets in pretty quickly.

Again, until I see or hear anything more, I'm putting it in the "whatever" pile until otherwise proven otherwise. Otherwise I'd be supportive.
On the otherwise side of otherwise, there is Reaper that continues to grow and improve without otherwise stopping because of something otherwise.

LEX

[shanabit]

Ill put this and the OSX version of REAPER in the same box with Presonus Studio ONEand add some fertilizer to let them grow more. For me, not anytime soon for either