Well....I finally broke down and did it

[True North]

I had for years fought the urge to get a PT-HD system

With the recent updates in PT 8 (especially the Comp Take upgrade) I finally had everything I wanted in one DAW.

I use absolutely no MIDI, all of my music is Acoustically recorded.

I started out using PT-LE so the transition shouldn't be that tough

So today I bought a used PT8 HD2 rig - I have to get Lynx Lt-HD cards for my Aurora Concertors and I will begin my journey :icon_biggrin:

Hope it works so I can say :098: to Steiny

[TerryG]

I hear there's greener grass on the other side...
...uhuh....
...greener grass... :willy_nilly: ..on the...
...other...
...siii...

We'll be here when you need us.
Stop by anytime.
:icon_yes:

[Sam]

yeha!!! I just bought an Aroura 16 with LTHD card yesterday.....I am finding it hard to get a used HD core WITHOUT an interface round here...where did you get the used HD2 from??? Did it come with a (now redundant) interface???

If Nu 5 doesnt sort out the last few obstruvtions to using Nu effortlessly, then I will be well placed to just go and buy the other half of the HD rig and be done with it....

I cannot believe we still do not have proper grouping!!!! JEEEEZ!!!

[Doublehelix]

I am so jealous! I have been searching the Ebay auctions for the last couple of months, but I just can't afford it yet. Someday... someday...

I am like you, and only work with audio.

[colony nofi]

Hm.

There's still reasons to use nuendo over pthd.
(and of course, reasons to use pthd over nuendo)

Have fun with it - its a cool system, but...........

Brendan.

[True North]

yeha!!! I just bought an Aroura 16 with LTHD card yesterday.....I am finding it hard to get a used HD core WITHOUT an interface round here...where did you get the used HD2 from??? Did it come with a (now redundant) interface???

If Nu 5 doesnt sort out the last few obstruvtions to using Nu effortlessly, then I will be well placed to just go and buy the other half of the HD rig and be done with it....

I cannot believe we still do not have proper grouping!!!! JEEEEZ!!!

The group thing always bugged the shit out of me. It's sems like such a simple thing to fix.

I did not get an interface for this set up - I am more of a mouse guy.

I bought the unit used on Ebay from dmanagement101 -he and dutchmuzic sell the majority of used HD system. I paid $3999 for an HD2 Rig -PT8 (PCI), free shipping

[LEX]

Group thing?

Which group thing? There are several.

LEX

[True North]

Group thing?

Which group thing? There are several.

LEX

I was speaking specifically about creating name specific track groupings

[True North]

I am so jealous! I have been searching the Ebay auctions for the last couple of months, but I just can't afford it yet. Someday... someday...

I am like you, and only work with audio.

I hope it is going to be what I am looking for. On paper it looks to have all of the features that I want. At the very least I get a proper support desk if I need it.

[MattiasNYC]

Good luck!

Overall I find Digi to be much more responsive than Steinberg, so I hope you'll find your switch rewarding. If anyone here can help you out please feel free to return and talk in the "other software" section.

I myself will give Nuendo one last chance, because I'm such a nice guy, but then it'll be PT-time for me as well. V4 really had the feature set I wanted but was is seriously broken so if they fix it to a satisfactory level I may stick around. PT has its problems too but at least they're more responsive as a company. The new color scheme of v8 sucks in my opinion, but I've been on the old style since 5.x so it's been years of "plain vanilla" for me. The new functionality and included plugs seem awesome though. One of the rooms in the facility I spend most of my time upgraded recently so I'll know soon enough if I like it.....

Now if I could only find a dirt-cheap system somewhere....

[True North]

Hm.

There's still reasons to use nuendo over pthd.
(and of course, reasons to use pthd over nuendo)

Have fun with it - its a cool system, but...........

Brendan.

I am a music/audio guy and I can't think of too many good reasons to use Steiny over PT - but I would love to hear your reasons.

My last hold out was how Steiny managed comp takes. I also liked how Steiny had all the automation in lanes, but PT copied that as well.

I beleive Nuendo's automation is supposed to be superior but I honestly have not run into any roadblocks with the automation in SX3

If you are heavy into MIDI, "people" say PT is still lagging but I don't use MIDI so I really can't comment on that.

Are you in post ?

[True North]

Good luck!

Overall I find Digi to be much more responsive than Steinberg, so I hope you'll find your switch rewarding. If anyone here can help you out please feel free to return and talk in the "other software" section.

I myself will give Nuendo one last chance, because I'm such a nice guy, but then it'll be PT-time for me as well. V4 really had the feature set I wanted but was is seriously broken so if they fix it to a satisfactory level I may stick around. PT has its problems too but at least they're more responsive as a company. The new color scheme of v8 sucks in my opinion, but I've been on the old style since 5.x so it's been years of "plain vanilla" for me. The new functionality and included plugs seem awesome though. One of the rooms in the facility I spend most of my time upgraded recently so I'll know soon enough if I like it.....

Now if I could only find a dirt-cheap system somewhere....

Hey sorry for posting this in the wrong area. Please feel free to move it.

I have a soft spot for Steiny despite how they treat (rather mistreat) their user base. I am not bitter as Cubase allowed me to do things in audio at a fraction of the cost that PT would have cost me. I still have some projects that I need to finish in Cubase so I will be finishing those projects where they started.

It will be a while before I am 100% PT and who knows, PT might be a disaster for me and I will eventually move back to Steiny again, crazier things have happened.

As far as I can tell, I really like the way PT manages it's updates. Their implementations seem to better thought out and less buggy/glitchy but that could also be a bit of the "grass is greener" thing going on. Who knows

I know there are a lot of Steiny users like me who think about switchng, I thought it might be interesting for the user base to hear about someone who actually did.

[LEX]

As far as I can tell, I really like the way PT manages it's updates. Their implementations seem to better thought out and less buggy/glitchy but that could also be a bit of the "grass is greener" thing going on. Who knows

I know there are a lot of Steiny users like me who think about switchng, I thought it might be interesting for the user base to hear about someone who actually did.

I think that is why alot of people have switched.

The update response is really bad for SB. Considering the video and solo/mute issues alone, was enough for many to not even update.
Some deal with it, some have moved on.

The automation issue in C5 is an example. Currently it is crippled. and you can't even use it.
Users would have to wait 6 months for a fix.

I think over all you'll be happy. Less worry about finding bugs and workarounds and just working.

Get an xkey though. www.xkeys.com
You can create your quick keys and work flow will increase.
Also, I think there is a way to make marco's to with it with multiple key strokes.
Like tab to tranisent and split, ect.


Check it out.

LEX

[True North]

Get an xkey though. www.xkeys.com
You can create your quick keys and work flow will increase.
Also, I think there is a way to make marco's to with it with multiple key strokes.
Like tab to tranisent and split, ect.


Check it out.

LEX

TOP TEN THINGS THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN ON A STEINY SITE

#1 - Getting advice on how to seamlessly transition into a competitors DAW :icon_lol:

Thanks for the tip

[MattiasNYC]

I know there are a lot of Steiny users like me who think about switchng, I thought it might be interesting for the user base to hear about someone who actually did.

Keep us posted....

[leggy]

If anybody is looking for a used ProTools system you should tell my friend Jon Griffin who runs an ebay store called Gear Garage http://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Gear-Garage. Jon's a lovely guy who often has used Digidesign stuff along with all kinds of high quality used studio gear in his store and if you tell him you're looking for something he'll probably find it for you fairly quickly. He ships all over the world too. Hope you don't mind the blatant plug but hope it helps somebody!


Rob

[paulwr]

Doesn't moving over the ProTools LE, or HD for that matter, leave you with only the RTAS native plug format? Doesn't that mess things up? I get requests from guys I work with to get an LE system to make things faster (for them, anyway), but then I'll need my plugs to be RTAS.

-Paul

[LEX]

Doesn't moving over the ProTools LE, or HD for that matter, leave you with only the RTAS native plug format? Doesn't that mess things up? I get requests from guys I work with to get an LE system to make things faster (for them, anyway), but then I'll need my plugs to be RTAS.

-Paul

HD is TDM and RTAS.

LE is RTAS only. I use LE strictly for cutting and sound design stuff.
When I used N4 for Sound Design stuff, that is when I discovered the Solo/Mute issue.

Of course, there had only been a few others who had stated the solo/mute issues in N4 to no avail from SB.

That was time lost, I can't get back trying to figure out what was wrong.

LEX

[paulwr]

HD is TDM and RTAS.

LE is RTAS only. I use LE strictly for cutting and sound design stuff.
When I used N4 for Sound Design stuff, that is when I discovered the Solo/Mute issue.

Of course, there had only been a few others who had stated the solo/mute issues in N4 to no avail from SB.

That was time lost, I can't get back trying to figure out what was wrong.

LEX

I'm mainly wondering how someone set up well in Nuendo or Cubase, is going to get by in PT LE with the RTAS format for plug, being they are so inefficient compared to vst format.

-Paul

[LEX]

I'm mainly wondering how someone set up well in Nuendo or Cubase, is going to get by in PT LE with the RTAS format for plug, being they are so inefficient compared to vst format.

-Paul

RTAS blows for efficiency. That will probably change though.

But since Nuendo lacks basic features for cutting in POST, cutting, conforming ect in PTLE works just fine.
In my own testing, setting up, conforming, and delivering PTLE beats Nuendo by about 1.5 hours.
Even with DV Toolkit it is cheaper considering you need SSL Pro Convert (700) and a PC if you are on MAC.

It isn't always about mixing, plugins and final output.

Simple things like video, just work in PT. Multiple videos work.
My entire FX library doesn't have to be converted to stereo interleave to work with Nuendo either and converted back to dual mono.
Nuendo doesn't have a feature that converts dual mono to ST interleave either.
You have to import every file and bounce it. With half a million files plus, that would take half a year of just converting.

I haven't had a crash in PT in years.
I don't have to fight with PT either.
That is why I finally broke down and just got PTLE and DV toolkit. Haven't looked back since.
I get the job done, get it done quick and never have any delivery problems.

For music and midi, SB has it and I would prefer Nuendo.
But for Post, I have tried to explain the "other side" to them, to no avail.
Along with fighting Fredo to show another side of things, and the SB user drones, it is no wonder Nuendo is in the shape it is in.

Advanced features mean nothing when the core of the program is flawed.

I think Nuendo will have its place for Post, with the boutique shops and individual stages and some renegades.
It has lost its momentum to be taken seriously in Post for medium to large Post houses.
Everyone can be wowed by "something" Nuendo does, but that won't make them switch.
They'll call digidesign and request the feature.
That's how PT8 was created.

Had SB listen to their users, it might have been different. I doubt SB have or will take Digi's ears to the users approach, so we can just expect to "get what we get" and like it or not.

But what are you going to do?

LEX

[paulwr]

I had a ProTools II setup years ago on an old Mac FX...... I loved the interface, just loved it.

I'll probably need to get a PT LE setup just to interface better with the industry and collaborators. Pisser that it requires an additional audio setup. I guess M-audio route isn't too expensive.

-Paul

[Michael Tibes]

Everyone can be wowed by "something" Nuendo does, but that won't make them switch.
They'll call digidesign and request the feature.
That's how PT8 was created.

Had SB listen to their users, it might have been different. I doubt SB have or will take Digi's ears to the users approach, so we can just expect to "get what we get" and like it or not.

That is a very true point. I once wa called up by a digidesign representative who simply questioned me about what I would like to see in a daw. I have never ever bought a single thing from them, nothing! Still he just wanted to chat to see if some ideas came up.

I am still happy with Cubendo (I'm currently considering moving from N4 to C5), but it is always a 'close to perfection' feeling - which is frustrating because it seems like the possible perfection is lying right in front of us but is still never being reached. If Steinberg would invite maybe 10 or 15 of real pros using their software for a 2 day brainstorming to Hamburg and would really try to understand their points and put them into practice, they'd be totally ruling afterwards. I bet such a group would be coming up with a bunch of common wishes and ideas and a common sense for 'perfection'. And I bet that the major improvements would not be impossible crazy functions 'from another planet' but doable workflow and safety improvements which are taking things that are anyway there a simple but important step further.

Michael

[TAFKAT]

Hey Michael,

I know for a fact that Steinberg actually did that a few years back in L.A, and also that some of the members here at Cubendo were actually in attendance and contributed to a detailed list.

Most of the suggestions were duly ignored.

I am sure those who were there first hand will chip in when they read in... ;-)

RE Digi and the brainstorming , yep, been party to several of those in the past and no doubt in the future, difference being they actually do listen and implement the ideas, and have no issue borrowing from other DAW's.

Check out the PT8 multitake "lanes" editor... ;-)

[Sam]

Check out the PT8 multitake "lanes" editor... ;-)

Yeah - they even did Steinberg the courtesy of finishing the concept properly in conjunction with grouping, soloing and source/destination (sorta) editing.....

Seriously - if Steinberg would ever get the need for proper take management (playlists!) then they could see the forest for the trees regarding anyone actually being able to use LANES for anything but single track comping.....oh they would need to understand tat an actual grouping system thats a little beyond 'link faders' is also important, ay...

I now am half way into an HD system in a weird way...I bought a Lynx Aurora16 with the LTHD card the other week - so now I can hire in a PTHD system off a mate if I need HD for a session - plug in the digilink cable and BAM I have PTHD all perfectly appearing on my patchbay just like it lives there....I am now lazily keeping a lookout for a secondhand HDCORE card without any interface (seems hard to find here in Aus) so I can have that option here if I need it...interested to see how PT8 plays with deklink HD extreme....hmmmm

[Michael Tibes]

I know for a fact that Steinberg actually did that a few years back in L.A, and also that some of the members here at Cubendo were actually in attendance and contributed to a detailed list.

Most of the suggestions were duly ignored.

That's my sad feeling too. I do have some relationship with them in a way, I know some very fine people there and really love the product. It's 'my tool' in some personal way, I grew up with it and it did make a lot of things possible for me that were totally unreachable before. I'd be happy if there was a way to give a feedback that at least gets through somehow, but haven't found a way yet. I don't post much in the Nuendo forum any more, besides other reasons because I feel like it will much more help digi than steinberg - I'm sure they do have 2 open eyes on it...

My simple personal interpretation is, that the bridge between the programmers and the real pros isn't working out and the programmers decide what to do and what to ignore. Not out of stupidity, but because they can't understand music production beyond a certain level and the need for certain things doesn't reach them. Solo/mute, lanes and group behaviour and many other little issues are in a condition that seem perfect on the workbench, but not in wildlife.

I recently read something about a car manufacturer, decades ago they started to have very extensive tests under extreme conditions, very hot or cold environments, extreme milage e.t.c. in order to really iron out weak spots - that's the spirit I'm missing. And I believe that only the end users that take cubendo to extremes can give the feedback that's necesary...

Michael

[Daryl]

Michael, this is also my feeling. What developers forget is that users such as myself may only use 10% of the features, but we use them a lot, and so we tend to know the shortcomings far better than the developers give us credit for.

D