Who suffers from the 44.1k reset at startup?

[LEX]

This problem seemed to fall as there was never any response from SB about this.

I saw the same thing on c.net.

Apparently you can see Cub/Nuen switch to 44.1 in the opening dialog window after startup and it causes external hardware to go out of whack.

LEX

[Animus]

I used to experience this a lot in version 3 with RME hardware. I don't see it anymore though. I think it might have been related to the infamous "overnight" bug as I was plagued by that as well, which is now gone fortunately.

[LEX]

What did you do to solve it?

Here is the original thread:
http://nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=16566&highlight=sample+rate

Happens in Cubase too:
http://cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=108693&highlight=

What was weird is that with my audio cards slaved to external clock, It didn't do that, but as soon as I hit them to internal, 44.1

Yet, some users still experience it on external clock.

LEX

[Animus]

hmmm I am slaved to external clock so maybe that's it. I can't remember for sure but I think I didn't start slaving until sometime in the past year or so. So I guess internal sync is the problem area.

[LEX]

That is what I thought, but some users say they experience it as an external slave as well.

It is pretty screwed up for those, and that means about 95 percent or the users, that it switches to 44.1.

It is definately an issue. I am surprised at the complete lack of response from Steinberg in terms of this issue.

LEX

[messianic]

It's probably more to do with Windows than anything else. Is that the system you are using?

[LEX]

Apparently it happens in Windows and MAC.

LEX

[TerryG]

This used to happen to me all the time, especially with external sync...
I seem to recall Nuendo having this issue with a generation of RME HDSP drivers in August/September 2007 (maybe the late 2.x or early 3.x series).
I'll spend some time messing with sync and master/slave variables, and if I come across the issue again, I'll post.

[Animus]

I wouldn't mess with it Terry. I seem to recall it being very temperamental. One minute it would work and then it wouldn't.

That's interesting you got it with external sync though.

[TAFKAT]

.. I am sure it is effecting users with external sync, there was a long running thread at Ostriches.com a while back..

Of course Steinbergs official response was that it was working as designed, it wasn't a bug ?

I almost fell off my chair.. LOL

I need to find a link to that thread..

V:

[hackenslash]

I have heard of users with onboard audio devices having this problem. Usually sorted by disabling the onboard device in windoze device mangler.

[LEX]

Here is the original thread:

http://nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=16566&highlight=startup

Happens on MAC's too.

LEX

[psvennevig]

I had problems with this in N3 with my RME hardware.
But it got away already back then. I think by RME update.

Lex: Is it possible to check if the users seeing this problem also with externally clocked soundcards (never experienced it with ext. clock) have the default template loading in Nuendo?
If they do it defaults to 44.1

I have seen some other soundcards dipping into 44.1 during init of the driver.
Happens with Logic as well on MAC with those soundcards.

Pål

[leggy]

As I've said before I have this problem every time I launch N4. It tries to force the whole system to 44.1 from 48 and sends a massively loud burst of white noise through the speakers if I haven't remembered to turn them down. I'm on an Intel Mac, latest OS, latest Nuendo and Motu 2408 MrkIII externally clocked to a Lucid Genx192 as is the rest of the digital gear here. Needless to say that Nuendo is the only program that does this. Oh and Pål I don't have the default template loading, Nuendo does this before anything loads as soon as it is launched.


Rob

[psvennevig]

As I've said before I have this problem every time I launch N4. It tries to force the whole system to 44.1 from 48 and sends a massively loud burst of white noise through the speakers if I haven't remembered to turn them down. I'm on an Intel Mac, latest OS, latest Nuendo and Motu 2408 MrkIII externally clocked to a Lucid Genx192 as is the rest of the digital gear here. Needless to say that Nuendo is the only program that does this. Oh and Pål I don't have the default template loading, Nuendo does this before anything loads as soon as it is launched.


Rob

I c.

I'll test on my Macbook pro with RME FF400 externally clocked.
I know this was a confirmed bug with OSX before N4.2.2.
Thought it was fixed though..

Pål

[LEX]

Before I removed Nuendo4 from my system, v4.1.3, with 424 Mk3 and Lucid clock, I did not see it reset to 44.1.

I would see it however if I set my system to clock internally.

It is still a problem for many AFAIK.

LEX

[dcwave]

I have not experienced this on C4. I use an mLAN setup with 01v, 01x and i88x and everything stays sync'd. BUT I used to have this happen long ago with my Delta 1010 cards (2 of them) on N1.x. Never could figure out why and I tried everything. I seem to remember posting this on the old forums and never got a response. I wonder if it had something to do with the two delta cards syncing via software and Nuendo would get confused or the ASIO drivers got confused.

[TAFKAT]

Its sounding to me more like a variable in how the specific ASIO drivers are initialising when Nuendo launches.

This is how I am seeing it, Nuendo sends a 44.1 reset message, which some drivers ignore if set to another setting from external or internal settings.

I'll do some extra digging with some hardware dev contacts I have... :-)

Might have to be after the silly season tho

V:

[Sound Drifter]

I clock externally and have never noticed the problem. The only issue I have had was not setting the external sample rate to the project prior to opening the project. Closing the project, setting the sample rate to the correct frequency and reopening the project was the simplest correction I found if a mismatch occurred. Again, I clock externally.

[TAFKAT]

I clock externally and have never noticed the problem.

What audio interface do you use .. ?

It may help to narrow down if its only on specific audio drivers.

[LEX]

I can confirm it happens on both MAC and PC if the cards are set to internal.

Both Nuendo and Cubase.

RME 9652 HDSP (pre Version 3) - MAC
MOTU 424 (1.61) - PC

LEX

[crow]

It happens to me, using a PPC G5 dual 2.7, a Mac Pro 3.2, Lynx Aurora LT-FW and/or AES16e.

[Sound Drifter]

What audio interface do you use .. ?

It may help to narrow down if its only on specific audio drivers.

Sorry Vin, Didn't see the reply come in my email. RME HDSP AES32 and Lynx Aurora 16. The Aurora is my master

[Sound Drifter]

I'll do some testing over the weekend to see if I can create a problem.

[EricWatkins]

I have suffered from this problem with a Win XP 32 system and PCI-424 externally synced from a Tascam DM-4800. It seemed to happen on only certain projects and I was thinking that it might have something to do with Quicktime. It seems as though it was only happening on projects where I was running a video file and all the video files were QT. Does this make any sense to anyone?

[LEX]

I have suffered from this problem with a Win XP 32 system and PCI-424 externally synced from a Tascam DM-4800. It seemed to happen on only certain projects and I was thinking that it might have something to do with Quicktime. It seems as though it was only happening on projects where I was running a video file and all the video files were QT. Does this make any sense to anyone?

But the problem isn't when Nuendo/CB is open.

The problem is that when you start the app, even if you are locked at 48k, the app switches to 44.1 causing the unlocking of digital gear through out the studio.

The problem you describe has to do with embedded audio files in the QT file.
Strip the audio out of the video file.

LEX

[Sound Drifter]

Ok,

I did a little testing and here are my results:

Take 1:

Boot machine
Set external clock to anything but 44.1
Open Cubase 4 or SX3
Monitor RME's control panel, matches external setting.
Nothing changes, RME control panel matches external Aurora clock setting.
This is without autoload last project


Take 2:

Boot machine
Set external clock to anything but 44.1
Open Cubase 4 or SX3
Monitor RME's control panel
Nothing changes, RME control panel matches external Aurora clock setting.
Dialogue popup in both versions of Cubase
"Sample rate could not me set."

This is with autoload last project with external clock sample rate not being 44.1 and without the project sample rate matching 44.1 or external clock.

I have no other devices to sync with to do other testing. Just the Aurora16 and RME HDSP AES32.

[Sound Drifter]

Let me know if you would like me to check anything else.

Maybe it is driver specific?

[kdm]

I have been on internal clocking (RME) for years, but recently moved to a new system with MOTU 2408s and went to external clocking off of my converters and now this is a big problem.

It seems the MOTU driver and Nuendo won't communicate the current incoming master sample rate until I open the MOTU contol panel and hit "OK". But, Nuendo always tries to set the rate to 44.1 before moving to 48k - in a 48k project, this means you get two messages asking whether to keep objects at their sample position - 44.1, then again at 48 - I've even seen it switch 3 times when opening a new project (Nuendo already open).

In one midi-only project, Nuendo simply refused to move to 44.1, even though external clocking was 44.1, even after restarting Nuendo. Selecting the sample rate in project setup should query for the incoming clock rate if it is externally sync'd - obviously it doesn't.

Never had a problem internally clocking from my RME system. Annoying doesn't begin to describe this since it can screw up clip alignment even when it shouldn't be trying to alter the project clocking. It's a serious bug in Nuendo's design.

[leggy]

I've never had Nuendo asking me if I want to keep objects in their sample positions but I do get a loud burst of white noise as the system switches to 44.1 briefly on startup - really, really annoying. I'm on externally clocked Motu 2408s too. Be great if they could fix this in N5 or before.


Rob

[LEX]

What Driver versions are you on?

I am on the last verion 1.16 or something before they released the Vista 64bit drivers.

It was not doing it while I had N4 installed, nor did I see it with C4 on my Mac and RME 9652 HDSP, v 2.94 drivers.

LEX

[D]

I've had the same thing happen when slaved and when hosting clock. It seems to be entirely random.

[leggy]

@ LEX I'm on 1.2.2 - wonder if it's worth trying that earlier driver? I'm in the middle of something right now but I'll give it a go asap and report back...........


Thanks,


Rob