BugBase?

[Audiocave]

What's up with the locked bug base?

The "notepad" bug for instance doesn't happen in 4.5.1 270 for me (haven't tried on my 4.5.2 install) and not only that but the "only way I found" workaround assumption doesn't make any sense even if it is true at another version number.


WORKAROUND: The only way I have found to delete text is to click with the mouse to the first word and then hit the Cntl+Del key. That at least will get you back to an empty notepad to start over.

An obvious workaround which is not even a workaround really would be to highlight text and hit the backspace key? Which behaves just like the Del key with highlighted text. Not sure how this kind of locked (and apparently occasionally potentially inaccurate) bug base is useful with what appears to be a singularly limited point of view or approach?

Not to mention no version number listed there. 4.0? 4.1.1? Or do we assume 4.5.2 xxx or latest build? It only says "N4/C4".

Again, I can hit Del (or backspace) all day as long as the notepad has the focus and it doesn't delete tracks. But I can't put that info in the "bug base" since it's locked to users?

[kdm]

The Bugbase is just the listing version for bugs - we move bug listings/threads from the General forum (or wherever) there so we all have a quick reference without sorting through threads - hence it being locked - just for cleaner housekeeping - if you find an error or have a change just let us know here.

Brian already contacted me about the Notepad bug not happening on his system. Likewise the shift/backspace notepad bug I reported here doesn't happen for a few others, so let's sort through both here and I'll revise the bugbase accordingly.

[The Guru]

IMHO, the bugbase should have a Sticky at the top with the confirmed bugs and the rest threads reporting them for confirmation to keep it all in one place.

[kdm]

Thanks for the suggestion - we considered that, but decided the current approach would make it easier for us to manage the bugbase, reporting and any future additions to the concept. The bugs we are listing are assumed to be confirmed, but realize that it takes me quite a while to search back through links on the regular forums to track these down - esp. ones I didn't report or confirm myself originally.

We still have the same concept now - threads for reports, locked posts for confirmed bugs. Eventually I want to have a cross-reference resource, or at least a table format for tracking as well so users can check dates, version numbers for fixes, etc, but the forum doesn't really have that kind of too integrated.

Keeping them separate makes it easier to at least glance through a single list without checking sticky vs. regular thread status. I am thinking we might create a separate C5/N5 list as well - a way to compare the two is what I'm envisioning if I can find a way for several of us to manage it.

[Animus]

Once C5 goes into the wild we can make a SEQ4 child forum we can archive all the old bugs into and start fresh with SEQ5.

[ibmcgovern]

Hello all...

Hope everyone is well. I tried to duplicate the issue that Dedric mentioned via every current Steinberg version on my Mac and PC systems. I could not duplicate the error. Sorry, wish I could offer more info.

If like, and to any on this forum, I have a web-based tool that will allow me to access your computer to address and officially support any concern. If interested, please contact me via private (not public PM) so we can set up a time.

Thanks for supporting Steinberg.

Enjoy the weekend!

[dada]

Hi, I was one of the first to report the severe Notepad bugs, when SX 3.0.0 was released.
Later when the Notepad was 'fixed', I reported the problems with 'backspace' and the arrow keys.

To those that can not repro :
AFAIR, the key was ( and maybe still is ) : The 'Backspace' and arrow keys must be assigned as shortcuts by the user.
Importing shortcuts from older versions, can cause this.
E.g.:comming from the very first Cubase, I was used to have the 'Backspace' key as additional delete key.
So, when it was not there as default, I assigned it.
Now it always deletes in the arange window, when I want to delete in the notepad.
Again, that is SX3, but the behavior still seems to be there ...

bye, Jan

[kdm]

To those that can not repro :
AFAIR, the key was ( and maybe still is ) : The 'Backspace' and arrow keys must be assigned as shortcuts by the user.

Hi Jan,

Shift acting as backspace can be caused by importing shortcuts from a previous version of Nuendo/Cubase? I haven't assigned backspace to anything.

Having to redo shortcuts, and every other preference when we update to prevent bugs like this is really ridiculous. We had the same issue with templates in N4. I'm guessing this won't end with Nuendo/Cubase 5 - we'll be reconfiguring ever preference, template, key command, yet again... sigh.

[dada]

Shift acting as backspace can be caused by importing shortcuts from a previous version of Nuendo/Cubase? I haven't assigned backspace to anything.
Sorry, havn't read up on Your 'shift' issue.
Did You possibly change the 'shift' modifier settings in the prefs ?
I will be back to PUBT ( public unpaid beta testing ) with V.5.
And take a closer look, then.

As You don't have anything assigned to 'backspace', does it work as expected in the notepad ?

I think, the notepad needs a complete rewrite, with all those focus and 'what not' problems. :icon_yes:
But then ... there are only 13 poeple using it ... :wink:

And yes, the trash your preference folder 'solution' is a real PITA.

bye, Jan

[Audiocave]

I suppose part of my point was that as it relates to an audio sequencer and what I do with it, this type of bug (if it exists which it doesn't on my system) just doesn't really seem worth mentioning... let alone talking rewriting the notepad.

There are so many different ways to edit/remove text I just wouldn't even bother worrying about it in the process of making music. Space, backspace, delete, cut.... etc, etc.

[kdm]

It is pretty much useless for me as I have to insert two spaces after every word to accomodate the errant backspace function, and it's only a problem in the notepad.

I use the notepad for directors' notes, track notes, etc. It's the only way to keep notes on a project or track tied to that project or track.

It is worth mentioning when you have to shift your note taking process to another app (Word, etc) just to bypass the bug, or worse, a piece of paper that just happened to be lying around, and will be impossible to find when needed later (Murphy's law).

[Audiocave]

It is pretty much useless for me as I have to insert two spaces after every word to accomodate the errant backspace function, and it's only a problem in the notepad.

I use the notepad for directors' notes, track notes, etc. It's the only way to keep notes on a project or track tied to that project or track.

It is worth mentioning when you have to shift your note taking process to another app (Word, etc) just to bypass the bug, or worse, a piece of paper that just happened to be lying around, and will be impossible to find when needed later (Murphy's law).

Yes. I see how that could be much more of a problem in your case as outlined above. What version are you using? I've tried multiple times and I cannot duplicate that here.

I guess you could use the project notepad instead of Word or whatever until they fix the bug or you find out why it's happening on your system. At least the notes would still be attached to the project.

[kdm]

N4.2.2 here. Not sure why it would be unique to my system - backspace isn't assigned to anything. I do have xkeys running as well, but that's an overlay/macro app so it shouldn't affect the notepad. One would think the notepad would be a simple text editor, and I have no problems with any other text editors.

It doesn't happen on my new system (not yet in use - still loading apps). I'll check again after everything else is loaded (xkeys, etc). Weird.

[Audiocave]

N4.2.2 here. Not sure why it would be unique to my system - backspace isn't assigned to anything. I do have xkeys running as well, but that's an overlay/macro app so it shouldn't affect the notepad. One would think the notepad would be a simple text editor, and I have no problems with any other text editors.

It doesn't happen on my new system. I'll check again after everything else is loaded (xkeys, etc). Weird.

Have you shut down XKeys and tried the notepad to see if the error still happens? It may be the culprit, especially since it's not happening on the new system where XKeys is not yet installed.

I suspect it might be at least partly related to that or maybe the Nuendo code is just different from Cubase in some small way that causes it there and not here in Cubase.

[dada]

For what it's worth ...

Couldn't find any problem in the Project and Track Notepads in C5 ( so far ) !!
:icon_eek:
And I imported my old shortcuts ( But didn't let V5 find my SX3 settings folder, when installing ).
And I use two different shortcut apps ...

Seems they've finally found some time for the complete rewrite !
:icon_cool:

bye, Jan

[dada]

... as it relates to an audio sequencer and what I do with it, this type of bug (if it exists which it doesn't on my system) just doesn't really seem worth mentioning... let alone talking rewriting the notepad.
Yep and then there's the other world, we live in ...
:icon_yes:

[Audiocave]

Yep and then there's the other world, we live in ...
:icon_yes:

Yeah, I acknowledged that like 10 days ago. :D

[kdm]

After installing my standard apps on the new system, the shift/backspace problem is still there, even with x-keys disabled/unloaded. Oh well. I'll late blame with either Adobe or Sony Vegas at this point, with my money on Adobe.... bizarre.