colony nofi
01-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Hey all.
Some questions for fellow Seq4 (nu or cubase) users who work to picture. Perhaps even some stuff to really ponder over.
I'm working on a sound track (sound design and music) for a large scale dance piece, which has a rather unique workflow. Instead of either writing the "score" and having the choreography done to the audio, its going to be a back and forth process. First some choreography phrases are developed, then I work my audio to that, then they may make changes based on how the sound interacts with the dance, it comes back to me etc.
The dance company I'm working with are 1500km away, so although I'll be making quite a few short trips over there, most of the work will be remote, through video. (The dance phrases are taped, and sent thru the net, and I work to these files in nuendo.)
The audio is not beat driven at all (a-tempo) - and there is LOADS (1000's) of small sync'd sounds being used. As you can imagine, its a re-conform nightmare; the biggest changes that look like being made are time based...ie, small parts will be slowed down / sped up, some pauses increased, etc.
And every time the piece is "re-performed" for camera for the changes, it is done without the original sound track (as it wouldn't sync). Therefore, they have no sync, and it makes identifying the exact changes very difficult.
So, I was thinking. I have often used the "guide track / new track" audio scenario to pick changes between two cuts of video. Place them against each other, and look for where they differ. Wouldn't it be GREAT to do this in nuendo (two video tracks, two small video monitors, and compare the two... that way exact sounds for the right movements would be FAR easier to identify.
This would also be a VERY useful workflow for some of the animation I've worked on, where the animation changes quite rapidly, but they are always wanting an "on the fly" temp mix to be available.
However, we don't have that feature. (I know, a VERY small percentage of people would use it I guess...maybe more in the future?)
So, I'm looking for ideas, however outrageous, to make this possible.
That, or perhaps ideas for a different workflow?
How are your creative workflow brains doing?
Here's what i've come up with so far, but yet to test it / look into it further.
I have 3 macs in my studio, so could maybe send t/c out my main workstation to sync to a second, and run some virtual video program on it to run the second piece of video. It would need to be frame accurate when nudging stuff around / working with edits etc.
Or perhaps run a copy of cubase on the other machine. System Link the two. I own cubase as well as N4, but @#$%@ its trapped on the same dongle, and SBurg have given me absolutely no upgrade path to allow me to do it.
Finally, is it possible to run nuendo and cubase on the same computer (each with a video screen...nuendo using my decklink, cubase using quicktime onscreen video), and have them run in sync???? (This actually sounds the best idea for me?
I plan on re-syncing using TEMPO changes for the most part. How? Well, most of the sounds are very short (1 to 4 frame long) audio parts. (or layers of the same.) So, if I manage to simply identify where the hits *should* be, I can do tempo ramps/changes to work them into the right spaces. Given the number of tracks and complexity of sounds, I'm thinking this might be a huge timesaver. Yet to test the idea though.
Please, any thoughts or ideas would be most appreciated!
Cheers, Brendan. (damn I wish there was a :geek: or :nerd: smiley for this post...)
Some questions for fellow Seq4 (nu or cubase) users who work to picture. Perhaps even some stuff to really ponder over.
I'm working on a sound track (sound design and music) for a large scale dance piece, which has a rather unique workflow. Instead of either writing the "score" and having the choreography done to the audio, its going to be a back and forth process. First some choreography phrases are developed, then I work my audio to that, then they may make changes based on how the sound interacts with the dance, it comes back to me etc.
The dance company I'm working with are 1500km away, so although I'll be making quite a few short trips over there, most of the work will be remote, through video. (The dance phrases are taped, and sent thru the net, and I work to these files in nuendo.)
The audio is not beat driven at all (a-tempo) - and there is LOADS (1000's) of small sync'd sounds being used. As you can imagine, its a re-conform nightmare; the biggest changes that look like being made are time based...ie, small parts will be slowed down / sped up, some pauses increased, etc.
And every time the piece is "re-performed" for camera for the changes, it is done without the original sound track (as it wouldn't sync). Therefore, they have no sync, and it makes identifying the exact changes very difficult.
So, I was thinking. I have often used the "guide track / new track" audio scenario to pick changes between two cuts of video. Place them against each other, and look for where they differ. Wouldn't it be GREAT to do this in nuendo (two video tracks, two small video monitors, and compare the two... that way exact sounds for the right movements would be FAR easier to identify.
This would also be a VERY useful workflow for some of the animation I've worked on, where the animation changes quite rapidly, but they are always wanting an "on the fly" temp mix to be available.
However, we don't have that feature. (I know, a VERY small percentage of people would use it I guess...maybe more in the future?)
So, I'm looking for ideas, however outrageous, to make this possible.
That, or perhaps ideas for a different workflow?
How are your creative workflow brains doing?
Here's what i've come up with so far, but yet to test it / look into it further.
I have 3 macs in my studio, so could maybe send t/c out my main workstation to sync to a second, and run some virtual video program on it to run the second piece of video. It would need to be frame accurate when nudging stuff around / working with edits etc.
Or perhaps run a copy of cubase on the other machine. System Link the two. I own cubase as well as N4, but @#$%@ its trapped on the same dongle, and SBurg have given me absolutely no upgrade path to allow me to do it.
Finally, is it possible to run nuendo and cubase on the same computer (each with a video screen...nuendo using my decklink, cubase using quicktime onscreen video), and have them run in sync???? (This actually sounds the best idea for me?
I plan on re-syncing using TEMPO changes for the most part. How? Well, most of the sounds are very short (1 to 4 frame long) audio parts. (or layers of the same.) So, if I manage to simply identify where the hits *should* be, I can do tempo ramps/changes to work them into the right spaces. Given the number of tracks and complexity of sounds, I'm thinking this might be a huge timesaver. Yet to test the idea though.
Please, any thoughts or ideas would be most appreciated!
Cheers, Brendan. (damn I wish there was a :geek: or :nerd: smiley for this post...)