VST Expression...

[LEX]

Can someone explain HOW VST Expression works?

As I have been reading through, it looks like it will only work if the sampler software is compatible with it.

While it might be cool, it kind of isn't really useful if you can't build it into your own libraries.

If VST Expression is anything like VST3, it looks unlikely there is going to be alot of commercial libraries that will be able to put it in.

And is there any way the user can program it themselves?

LEX

[LEX]

Should have watched the bloody Video.

Compatible with any current VSTi or stand-alone sample library, including Steinberg HALion Symphonic Orchestra and the new HALion ONE Expression Set 01

Users need to be able to build their own expression sets.

LEX

[Animus]

You can build your own expression sets? Like assign keyswitches?

[LEX]

You can build your own expression sets? Like assign keyswitches?

I don't know. That is what I am trying to figure out.

LEX

[kdm]

I think the way it works, is you can assign midi channels and a VSTi to each expression set (maybe even for each VSTi instance), then you simply use those to "redirect" that note or notes to a different articulation, midi channel, VSTi, etc. More than that though is the ability to change length, velocity, min velocity, key switch, etc so you can define an "expression" with more than just a remapping of that note or range of notes to even work as a change for all following notes.

Could be pretty powerful.

[dcwave]

I thought I read somwhere that VSL and Garritan were on board with it. They way I understood it was like you originally said - the sample library had to be compatible with it.

[olamo]

I thought I read somwhere that VSL and Garritan were on board with it. They way I understood it was like you originally said - the sample library had to be compatible with it.

My understanding as well.. at least to get the full use of it.

[Martini]

wouldn't make sense with VSL though. you can design your own controllers within a matrix, so there's no such a thing as a standard VSL control set.

[Daryl]

If it's just an XML file then you should be able to alter it to what you want.

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[kdm]

According to the manual there is a config screen where you define everything. I don't think the VSTi has to support anything. It sounds like you can setup your own expression mapping to include key switching, or whatever. It sounds like you can also call up expressions as their own key switch, so you could setup your master keyswitch layout to correspond to any VSTi layout so you could have the same expressions in EWQL Symphonic Orch and in Sonic Implants, etc.

I see some potential here, but until we have it in the real world, it will be hard to say how it will fit into each person's workflow. I doubt Daryl will find any use for it ;-)

But I can see it being useful to me in some instances - probably not as a global replacement for what I do now, but who knows.

[Animus]

This leapfroggin crap annoys me to no end. I am highly interested in Expression but if I go Cubase I will lose my half my automation options as Steinberg have deemed those Post. lol I would just stick with Cubase but Steinberg don't really seem to know what post and music are and are only playing marketing games with features between them. Plus, solo/mute ain't fixed so what's the point. They really need to sync the releases of Nuendo and Cubase; they had promised the would do no more leapfrogging back in Nuendo 2 but we saw how long that lasted.

Sorry had to get that out! :crap:

[kdm]

Separate releases and development cycles is Steinberg's way of distinguishing between Cubase and Nuendo as different apps...

[Animus]

Separate releases and development cycles is Steinberg's way of distinguishing between Cubase and Nuendo as different apps...

yeah right..... Otherwise there isn't much distinguishing between the two. :smash:

[Daryl]

I see some potential here, but until we have it in the real world, it will be hard to say how it will fit into each person's workflow. I doubt Daryl will find any use for it ;-)

I already have my keyswitches the same for all melodic instruments and use a separate keyboard for all controller type things, so you are probably correct in the fact that I may have little to no use for it. however, since I'm not upgrading it is all moot. :wink:

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[kdm]

I already have my keyswitches the same for all melodic instruments and use a separate keyboard for all controller type things, so you are probably correct in the fact that I may have little to no use for it. however, since I'm not upgrading it is all moot. :wink:

D

Cool, then I was right. :-)

I don't think we Nuendo users even have an option of "upgrading" for at least another 6 months or so. I might upgrade my C4 license and run C5 for some things here and there, but not for production work, unless C5 simply makes life that much faster/easier.

[Daryl]

Cool, then I was right. :-)

I don't think we Nuendo users even have an option of "upgrading" for at least another 6 months or so. I might upgrade my C4 license and run C5 for some things here and there, but not for production work, unless C5 simply makes life that much faster/easier.
Yeah, I have no intention of buying C5 ever. There is nothing in it for me. Just a load of toys and crap that I already have, as far as I can see. However, although I'm telling my clients not to upgrade, if some of them do, I might be forced to buy C5.

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[kdm]

Yeah, I have no intention of buying C5 ever. There is nothing in it for me. Just a load of toys and crap that I already have, as far as I can see. However, although I'm telling my clients not to upgrade, if some of them do, I might be forced to buy C5.

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For me the combination of VST expression (a few possibilities there that aren't covered by the libraries); new PLE/LE commands; tempo/sig track and a few other things could be worth it for me. $199 upgrade of my C4 copy isn't a big deal, so I'm sure I'll pick it up at some point to test the waters with it before N5 hits.

[HHaynes]

I watched a demo at NAMM - seemed they were intimating that Garritan, Sonic Implants and a few other will work with Cubase 5 VST Expression. I don't know if that means that the 3rd parties will release VSTExpression settings or if it means the mapping is there out of the box.

It'll be really cool to see if the VST3 spec allows for dynamic interrogation of expression settings to map automatically on the fly. For now, the VST2.x mapping through the UI seems pretty straightforward. I love the idea of being able to drop articulation markings in the score editor and listening to the playback from the score view.

[Daryl]

According to the chaps at VSL they are going to prepare some presets for the small libraries, such as Special Edition, but supporting the larger libraries probably won't be possible, as VST Expression is too limited.

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[katapulse]

According to the chaps at VSL they are going to prepare some presets for the small libraries, such as Special Edition, but supporting the larger libraries probably won't be possible, as VST Expression is too limited.

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any one has news about EWQL?

I have the platinum XP version and i'd love to be able to use the VSTexpression with it (that's what would really make the upgrade worth the price, actually)

[LEX]

Still wondering if users can create their own.

Alot of my stuff is custom and parts from other libraries combined.

If someone can find out this info that would be great.

Even if it is a separate app is needed, that would be fine. It shouldn't just be for developers of libraries.

LEX

[Daryl]

Still wondering if users can create their own.

Alot of my stuff is custom and parts from other libraries combined.

If someone can find out this info that would be great.

Even if it is a separate app is needed, that would be fine. It shouldn't just be for developers of libraries.

LEX

AFIAK you can create your own version. It is just very time consuming, and I would imagine that the more complicated your template, the longer it will take to organise.

However, having used Vienna Instruments for over three years now, I can say that I would never go back to one of those bloated 300 track templates ever again. With my current set-up I can do far more than I ever could before, particularly with time pressures, and MIDI transfer is far less complicated.

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