Cubase5 announced

[RiffWraith]

Tho, not officially yet.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=703580

Upgrade in the US is $199.

[Martini]

and some better quality pictures !

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/7/6/582076.jpg

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/7/7/582077.jpg

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/7/8/582078.jpg

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/7/9/582079.jpg

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/8/0/582080.jpg

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/8/1/582081.jpg

[LEX]

Looks like SB is learning to rip of their competitors now, which is good.

Mini version of Melodyne in there, with Cubase GUI.

Any word on Solo/Mute, Video, automation?

Does it actually work, or is it just nice pictures?

Release date?

LEX

[Animus]

January 31 release date I saw.

[kdm]

Imho, here is one of the more interesting additions: Articulations in the key editor:http://www.steinberg.net/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=typo3temp/pics/854c5ed950.jpg&t=1232135987&hash=610b362cce187c053bfcd9fc0871346a

[LEX]

January 31 release date I saw.

So the useble date would be?

Some of the additions look nice, though. As long as they work.

LEX

[Sound Drifter]

Here you go homies:


http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase_5.html


and go to www.steinberg.net for the flashy sheit before the main site loads

[Animus]

So the useble date would be?



LEX

TBD


:eusa_think:

[RiffWraith]

Not taking pre-orders yet; your name has to go on to a list, and then they will call you for a pre-order.

Ship date is mid to late Feb.

[LEX]

Nice:

Recording enhancements

Cubase 5 verbessert das Handling von multiplen Takes und erhöht so die Arbeistgeschwindigkeit bei der Aufnahme von Audio und MIDI. Neue Tools erhöhen die Flexibilität beim Recording-Prozess und unterstützen die Arbeitsweise von Toningenieuren und Produzenten nun noch bessser.

On the English page.

LEX

[dcwave]

Finally - tempo track in the project window

"Cubase 5 comes armed with two brand-new track types: Signature Track and Tempo Track. These extremely useful new track types offer total control over tempo and time signature directly in the Project Window."

[Sound Drifter]

Lol, I saw that too. It translates to something about enhanced solo bypass automation.



http://www.steinberg.net/en/company/steinberg_news/detailansicht/article/steinberg-announces-controller-application-472.html
This looks cool/ Want more details on this since wifi will have better range then my tranzport.

[Martini]

I have to say, this looks like a huge update, the new articulation concept for scoring is awesome. and the tempo track in arrange window, and multi export...

now, how about this solo buttons?
64bit for Mac still not there...

[h4nc0]

Yeah, I am sold. But there are still too many "unknowns" to be crying with joy.

[LEX]

Lol, I saw that too. It translates to something about enhanced solo bypass automation.



http://www.steinberg.net/en/company/steinberg_news/detailansicht/article/steinberg-announces-controller-application-472.html
This looks cool/ Want more details on this since wifi will have better range then my tranzport.

So you can completely get rid of solo? Maybe mute too?
Did they eliminate the need for them? :rotfl:

LEX

[Sound Drifter]

das Soloing und das Dämpfen ist für unerfahrene Ingenieure


translated means:
soloing and muting is for inexperienced engineers

[LEX]

translated means:
soloing and muting is for inexperienced engineers

I see. That is why Fredo was always saying it is the engineer, not the software.

LEX

[UntamedSpirit]

that's a pretty cool video of the update, nice touch seeing some of the developers.

Cautious optimism about not only a good Cubase 5, but maybe Steinberg regaining some of their market innovation status in the coming years.

I might have to hold onto my version of Nuendo that no one seems to want anyway.

Hey, I did say CAUTIOUS :icon_lol:

[sealaw]

I can't find the upgrade price from Cubase Studio 4 to Cubase 5. Cubase.net has them in Euros, but I'm trying to find in USD. Anyone know where to find it?

Thanks

[D]

Nice:

Recording enhancements

Cubase 5 verbessert das Handling von multiplen Takes und erhöht so die Arbeistgeschwindigkeit bei der Aufnahme von Audio und MIDI. Neue Tools erhöhen die Flexibilität beim Recording-Prozess und unterstützen die Arbeitsweise von Toningenieuren und Produzenten nun noch bessser.

On the English page.

LEX

Danke.

[The Guru]

No wonder Steinberg doesn't change it's buisness model. The Lemmings are already drooling over new features that are most likely broken. :rotfl:

You all deserve the heart-ache that's sure to come.

Fuck Steinberg and the goat they rode in on. :icon_rolleyes:

[TerryG]

Nate, if we all shared your view to the extreme that you voice it, there would be no need for this place to exist.

We all bitch, but for most of us it's because we want things to improve.

[shanabit]

I think I'll be moving more towards Protools at this point. No need to torture myself further. Great, I can make a stupid BEAT now, wonderful. How about multitrack drum editing?
:icon_cry:

[The Guru]

Nate, if we all shared your view to the extreme that you voice it, there would be no need for this place to exist.

We all bitch, but for most of us it's because we want things to improve.

I used to be like you, but seeing over and over how it really is makes me say what I say.

Instead of features everyone asks for they come out with shit like the loop masher or whatever it is. If people want to play tiddley-winks, they should buy Sequel. I can't wait for N5 to come out. Let's see who screams bloody murder then. :eusa_whistle:

[shanabit]

I used to be like you, but seeing over and over how it really is makes me say what I say.

Instead of features everyone asks for they come out with shit like the loop masher or whatever it is. If people want to play tiddley-winks, they should buy Sequel. I can't wait for N5 to come out. Let's see who screams bloody murder then. :eusa_whistle:

I feel ya here. Im staying on C4. No need to upgrade here. I can use Melodyne or Autotune for the pitch corrections as well

[LEX]

... want to play tiddley-winks

I use to love that game.

Funny how tiddley winks turned into quarters, puking and passing out.

LEX

[kdm]

The new toys are fine, but for me the main attractions are the multi-export feature; tempo/signature track; and expressive midi features. Those are, or could be workflow enhancements.

I watched the video, and multi-export now has a side bar list of all tracks where you can tick/untick any tracks or types of tracks to export, all in one go.

These all could be big time savers for me. No lemming mindset here Nate - just practicality. It's moot point though since N5 is likely a year away... also not holding my breath these features will be bug free....

[LEX]

It always seems to be the ODD number versions that work well sooner rather than never.
Though, N3.1 was over a year but it did work after that one "hotfix" for the most part.

Maybe we'll (they'll) get lucky.

LEX

[TerryG]

Nate, notice the lack of N4 in my signature...
I'm just not quite ready to say never to answer the question of "When will Steinberg get it right?".

As I've said before... N5 will resurrect Steinberg, or bury them.
I have no incentive to buy C5 at all.
The worth in buying N5 will be self-evident when the time comes.
History shows we have until 2010 to think about it.

[LEX]

What Feature Requests were ACTUALLY ADDED to C5?

I know multi export, and tempo track. Bravo.

Automation is nice.

I can pretty much tell you that N5 is going to get snapshot automation. It only makes sense since the automation is close to Euphonix's.
I doubt there will every be user config'ed 5.1 (there is more than just SMPTE ITU) and mono to whatever.

What else have people asked for that they finally delivered?

LEX

[The Guru]

Read Phil P.'s MEAP post in the C5 forum at c.net. It appears multi-export isn't all it could be. It appears MEAP is still the app for professional use.

I'd have to hear the included impulses included with the new convolution reverb, but if other Steiny presets set the pace there are much better ones already out there.

Groove Agent One is another laughing point. If that doesn't show backwards evolution in Steiny's "Pro" recording software, what does?

If it waddles, quacks, and shits like a duck, it's a duck.

Oh, and we haven't seen or heard from Brian since NAAM began. I think he's still at the booth trying to get C5 to do something without crashing.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[kdm]

What Feature Requests were ACTUALLY ADDED to C5?

I know multi export, and tempo track. Bravo.

Automation is nice.

I can pretty much tell you that N5 is going to get snapshot automation. It only makes sense since the automation is close to Euphonix's.
I doubt there will every be user config'ed 5.1 (there is more than just SMPTE ITU) and mono to whatever.

What else have people asked for that they finally delivered?

LEX

I guess the question is who asked, and who they really listen too.

For the most part SB just goes by their own roadmap - maybe their key/endorsed users are giving input; maybe a bunch of c.net posters asked for the beat machine stuff (actually, for what they are, they do look cool, and it keeps Cubase competitive with Sonar...).

But imho, our requests are there for our own amusement for the most part... :-/

With N5, I'm going out on a limb here Lex and predicting we will see either user-config, or more 5.1 options. Seems too simple to bypass, and just thinking of what they might put in N5 that is unique to post, that seems as good a choice as any. Snapshot automation seems a given too.

Dual mono support with drag/drop to any track stereo track as linked pairs would be killer. Hard to say there.

Fixed video engine would be key, and seems they alluded to it being all QT - I guess that's supposed to be in N5? Again, until I see it....

[Animus]

What else have people asked for that they finally delivered?

LEX

I want builtin fxteleport type functionality taken to the next step.

[sealaw]

I think I'll be moving more towards Protools at this point. No need to torture myself further. Great, I can make a stupid BEAT now, wonderful. How about multitrack drum editing?
:icon_cry:

Perhaps it is time for a PT8 v. Cubase 5 blowout thread in the Thunderdome? :eusa_think:

[sealaw]

Cubase Studio 5 is virtually identical to Cubase Studio 4. The only thing of value to me is VST Expression, which could be a really nice enhancement. I need to watch the video again. Oh, you do get the pitch-shifting plug-in too.

But, to get VariAudio, the convolution reverb, and the Loopmash thingy, you have to get the full Cubase.

I can't see buying Studio 5 at this point. The question is whether VST Expression, VariAudio, a convolution reverb, and a pitch-shifting plug-in are worth $250 (assuming that's the upgrade price, since they can't seem to find out their USD price). I hate to be so reductionist, but I'm just trying to sift through what is announced to find what would actually be valuable to me.

[Sound Drifter]

I guess the question is who asked, and who they really listen too.

For the most part SB just goes by their own roadmap - maybe their key/endorsed users are giving input; maybe a bunch of c.net posters asked for the beat machine stuff (actually, for what they are, they do look cool, and it keeps Cubase competitive with Sonar...).


Actually, they asked us:
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=69698&highlight=&sid=82727920d20300c6afdefa41e890b1d5

[LEX]

Read Phil P.'s MEAP post in the C5 forum at c.net. It appears multi-export isn't all it could be. It appears MEAP is still the app for professional use.



Linky?

LEX

[RiffWraith]

http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=110131

So, as I stated in the thread, Phil has to be a beta tester, no? How else would an app he wrote work with a version that hasn't been released yet?

[TAFKAT]

http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=110131

So, as I stated in the thread, Phil has to be a beta tester, no? How else would an app he wrote work with a version that hasn't been released yet?

Sure looks like it, some of them are actually worth their weight in gold I bet, Phil looks like he just might be one of those ... :D

The question begs to be asked, why not just licence it from him and implement natively ?

[TAFKAT]

.. Just navigated across to C.net to read in on the afterglow

Any discussion on the 64 bit version , and the corresponding response from HQ are hilarious...

Can't say that I was surprised that Full 64 Bit Support has simply meant they removed the 'Preview" banner off the release.., not that it is any further developed than the last..:sleeping:

[LEX]

So with Multi export, you have to buy MEAP from phil to use Multi Export?

I guess then N5 users will be required to buy QT Pro for video use, SSL Convert for OMF/AAF as well.

LEX

[messianic]

Exporting is built in:

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/musicproduction/cubase5_product/cubase5_newfeatures/cubase5_newfeatures_5.html

It would seem transparent pitch shifting is also present (but no drum replacement tool).

Good work steiny!

[RiffWraith]

The question begs to be asked, why not just licence it from him and implement natively ?

http://images.zaazu.com/img/idea-idea-animated-animation-000274-design.gif

[messianic]

It is implement, is everyone here blind or just tramutised by the past?

[True North]

Talk about wishful thinking......... I wanted a Beat Detective function so badly in Cubase that I forced myself to beleive it was in the new version :D

oh well, some nice features nontheless. I can't wait to see whether it all works or not :sulkoff:

[kdm]

Multi-export is in Cubase 5 - it's in the manual, and the video. Might not have all of MEAPs features, but afaik, MEAP is a macro app, not integrated directly.

[messianic]

Talk about wishful thinking......... I wanted a Beat Detective function so badly in Cubase that I forced myself to beleive it was in the new version

obviously the great powers are now in listen mode, your Beat Detective will probably be on the list for a future update before C6 :)

Remember how people were agonising over Drag & Drop from media bay and tempo map in project window? Well they are now incarnate so now we must all praise the Great Steinberg entity for it has given new life unto this broken and forgotten world.

[resonator]

obviously the great powers are now in listen mode, your Beat Detective will probably be on the list for a future update before C6 :)


From what I heard from 2 separate sources that just might be what they're visiting big facilities in Germany for over the next few months. However, almost forgot to mention, these are all Nuendo-based. So I guess you won't see it C5 but in N5. After all, it kinda is a pro-feature, and they sure as hell want studios to buy N5 licenses.

[messianic]

Actually Resonator, you are probably right, nuendo would be the test bed app so but is implemented in the "lesser" applications first for all of us so-called beta testers, now I understand.

[enroe]

das Soloing und das Dämpfen ist für unerfahrene Ingenieure
translated means:
soloing and muting is for inexperienced engineers

This was something I suspected for a long time! :rotfl:

[messianic]

I think I'll be moving more towards Protools at this point. No need to torture myself further. Great, I can make a stupid BEAT now, wonderful. How about multitrack drum editing?
:icon_cry:

Yes, how about it?

I don't need it but it's a valid request and it should be implemented on the next iteration in line with what appears to be the current turnaround cycle if you know what I mean.

[messianic]

Actually, they asked us:
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=69698&highlight=&sid=82727920d20300c6afdefa41e890b1d5

Yes they did and a beautiful thread that was.

Thanks for the reminisce

[Sonomusic]

Anyone know of any more tweaks to the user interface colors? I can live with what it now provides, but it would be nice to customize it a little bit more.

[Sound Drifter]

Anyone know of any more tweaks to the user interface colors? I can live with what it now provides, but it would be nice to customize it a little bit more.

You may want to give the manual a read. It's available at cubase.net in the cubase 5 forum announcements.

[The Guru]

Linky?

LEX

http://cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=110131

[True North]

From what I heard from 2 separate sources that just might be what they're visiting big facilities in Germany for over the next few months. However, almost forgot to mention, these are all Nuendo-based. So I guess you won't see it C5 but in N5. After all, it kinda is a pro-feature, and they sure as hell want studios to buy N5 licenses.

that would probably make sense

it seems like a very strange feature to ignore especially considering the fact that the raw guts of elastic audio are already present in the program.......but then again...... we are talking about Steiny :eusa_think: :sulkoff:

I don't need any Post functionality, but if they gave Nuendo some mutitrack drum quantizing capabilities I would consider the upgrade cost.

[Animus]

From what I heard from 2 separate sources that just might be what they're visiting big facilities in Germany for over the next few months. However, almost forgot to mention, these are all Nuendo-based. So I guess you won't see it C5 but in N5. After all, it kinda is a pro-feature, and they sure as hell want studios to buy N5 licenses.

That is very interesting. What kind of facilities? Post or music studios?

[Audiocave]

With all due respect - as a PTLE owner myself - I'm not going to spend all that money just so I can use multitrack Beat Detective.

You are aware that it requires the additional "toolkit" to use it on multiple drum tracks right? And that PTLE BD out of the box does *one* track only? The "toolkit" that allows multitrack Beat Detective costs as much as Cubase. Yes, there is some other stuff in there but you can't just pay $50 and get it by itself.

No thanks.

People talk as if they just buy PTLE and will be whizzing away editing multitrack drums like that. No.

Music Production Toolkit: $395
- Extensive plug-in collection (cool)
- Multi-track Beat Detective (ok... but not free or part of the daw, it's an expensive option)
- 64 audio tracks (wow.. 64 tracks)
- MP3 export option (wow, mp3)

[TAFKAT]

Hey A.C,

Maybe I missed something in the mix.. ??

Where are any of the guys claiming PTLE was the ducks nuts.. :D

[Audiocave]

Hey A.C,

Maybe I missed something in the mix.. ??

Where are any of the guys claiming PTLE was the ducks nuts.. :D


Originally Posted by shanabit
I think I'll be moving more towards Protools at this point. No need to torture myself further. Great, I can make a stupid BEAT now, wonderful. How about multitrack drum editing?

Maybe Steiny should add it as a $400 option (along with the new plugs and mp3 encoding and more tracks) and then people can complain about that?

:D

Some context please... does anyone here even own the toolkit for PTLE that allows that?

[shanabit]

People talk as if they just buy PTLE and will be whizzing away editing multitrack drums like that. No.

Music Production Toolkit: $395
- Extensive plug-in collection (cool)
- Multi-track Beat Detective (ok... but not free or part of the daw, it's an expensive option)
- 64 audio tracks (wow.. 64 tracks)
- MP3 export option (wow, mp3)


You are aware Im sure that you can use ELASTIC AUDIO on MULTIPLE tracks at the SAME time. You dont NEED Beat detective nor the add on kits in this case. Thats all Cubase users are asking for. Group the tracks and run Warping on them at the same time. Just like Sonar has with Snap

If you cant record a good record with 64 tracks than you have more than a DAW issue IMO:D

[Audiocave]

You are aware Im sure that you can use ELASTIC AUDIO on MULTIPLE tracks at the SAME time. You dont NEED Beat detective nor the add on kits in this case. Thats all Cubase users are asking for. Group the tracks and run Warping on them at the same time. Just like Sonar has with Snap

Yes I am. Now it (the same argument that's been raging forever) is based on Elastic Audio. Next year something else. It never ends. So can you chop and edit and quantize drums with elastic audio? Cool. What is multitrack Beat Detective for? Why does it need both?

No daw does everything. Anyway, I didn't come to this fine forum to argue I just get tired of hearing the same thing about what Cubase can't do... every daw has things it can't do.

Besides... can't you render a 5.1 file (6 tracks) from drums (K,Kbeater, S, Sbtm, OHL, OHR) and warp it as one track and split the channels back up in Cubase? 10.1 in Nuendo?

[LEX]

Besides... can't you render a 5.1 file (6 tracks) from drums (K,Kbeater, S, Sbtm, OHL, OHR) and warp it as one track and split the channels back up in Cubase? 10.1 in Nuendo?

You can do that in PT to.

Do what I do. Cut your drums in PT and import them back into Cuendo.

LEX

[shanabit]

Yes I am. Now it (the same argument that's been raging forever) is based on Elastic Audio. Next year something else. It never ends. So can you chop and edit and quantize drums with elastic audio? Cool. What is multitrack Beat Detective for? Why does it need both?

No daw does everything. Anyway, I didn't come to this fine forum to argue I just get tired of hearing the same thing about what Cubase can't do... every daw has things it can't do.

Besides... can't you render a 5.1 file (6 tracks) from drums (K,Kbeater, S, Sbtm, OHL, OHR) and warp it as one track and split the channels back up in Cubase? 10.1 in Nuendo?


No one is ARGUING with you my man. You brought the issue to light here and stated that it would COST me more to do this. Im just pointing out that you DONT have to spend any more dough do do this function in Protools

I like the surround workaround BTW. But, If I have more than 6 mics setup Ill NEED to get Nuendo which will cost me $900 more, add on the NEK kit to get my Drum thing back and Im at $1100.

Beat Detective:
Beat Detective is a powerful tool within Pro Tools software for analyzing, editing, and manipulating audio or MIDI tracks that have an inherent rhythmic character. It analyzes an audio or MIDI selection, and based on what it "learns" (what it detects when it analyzes the audio), Beat Detective can:

Extract tempo and beat information to create Bar|Beat Markers that can be used to define the session’s tempo map.
Extract tempo and groove information as groove templates, called DigiGrooves. These templates can be applied to audio or MIDI using Beat Detective or Groove Quantize
Separate an audio selection into discrete regions, and then conform (or “quantize”) separated regions to the session’s tempo map, or to groove templates. .

Elastic Audio:

Real-time tempo manipulation feature that makes it easy to change tempo or time on the fly. For musicians, composers, and music producers, Elastic Time makes loop-based music creation faster and more imaginative than ever, giving you the freedom to explore different tempos and experiment with loops and audio files that sync with your current session throughout the entire writing process. For post-production editors and engineers, Elastic Time makes it super easy to stretch or squeeze audio tracks to fit video time frames, using high-quality algorithms that make your time manipulation virtually undetectable.



You can change the tempo and timing of loops, music, dialog, and other sound files without cutting up audio. Easily create loops from any audio file — even entire compositions — with the help of powerful tempo and transient analysis. Want to hear how a certain audio bit will sound in your song? The new Context Preview lets you easily audition loops and audio files in sync with the tempo of your session. Even imported audio files and loops automatically conform to match your session’s tempo.

Not only is it easy to manipulate tempo and time, it’s easy to perfect the timing of performances too. You can easily improve errant beats by quantizing audio to your session’s Bar|Beat grid, or to grooves extracted from other audio or MIDI performances using Beat Detective™, which offers better peak detection accuracy than ever before. You can also fine-tune “Elasticized” regions with precision control over each individual beat using the new warp track view and warp markers — you can even make the same precise changes across multiple grouped tracks while preserving timing offsets in multitrack recordings, such as with drums.

[Daryl]

If you cant record a good record with 64 tracks than you have more than a DAW issue IMO:D
It depends what sort of music you are doing.

D

[shanabit]

It depends what sort of music you are doing.

D

I knew SOMEONE would say SOMETHING about what KINDA song

POP ROCK, 5 piece band , hows that :icon_cool:

Thats what I LOVE about you guys though, so detailed:D

[TAFKAT]

Hey Shane,

I think that cap key is sticking again...:eusa_think:

:D

[Daryl]

I knew SOMEONE would say SOMETHING about what KINDA song

POP ROCK, 5 piece band , hows that :icon_cool:

Thats what I LOVE about you guys though, so detailed:D
However, if you are working on an orchestral + choir + synth + jazz band + rock band score for a feature film, you could run out of tracks very quickly. See all that RAM I have? I actually use it. :icon_lol:

D

[shanabit]

However, if you are working on an orchestral + choir + synth + jazz band + rock band score for a feature film, you could run out of tracks very quickly. See all that RAM I have? I actually use it. :icon_lol:

D


You have my dream system there BTW, no Im not jealous of 32 gig ram:smash::smash::smash::smash::smash:

I THINK I GOT MY CAPS LOCK FIXED LOL hahahahahahhaha:rotfl:

I have figured out why my caps lock key gets stuck. You see, I have this friend who doesnt listen when Im explaining things with regards to Cubase or anything else music related. I then started to punctuate what I was saying with CAPS, it has become a bad habit and Im SORRY so please forgive me for this. I will take the thing off my keyboard now on your behalf LOL

[True North]

That is very interesting. What kind of facilities? Post or music studios?

Also a good point and something I was thinking about as well

Multitrack drum quantizing is more of an audio recording type feature - why would they stick it in Nuendo which is supposedly aiming to capture the Post studio market

[Audiocave]

Elastic Audio:

Real-time tempo manipulation feature that makes it easy to change tempo or time on the fly. For musicians, composers, and music producers, Elastic Time makes loop-based music creation faster and more imaginative than ever, giving you the freedom to explore different tempos and experiment with loops and audio files that sync with your current session throughout the entire writing process. For post-production editors and engineers, Elastic Time makes it super easy to stretch or squeeze audio tracks to fit video time frames, using high-quality algorithms that make your time manipulation virtually undetectable..

Very cool Shan.

Maybe I need to dig into PT a bit more but I've been doing a lot of similar things in Cubase for quite a while. Not multitrack warping (which seems to mean different things to different people). To me warping means moving one section without affecting others around it, like warping a word into better time in Cubase.

But recording a live band to a click track / metronome or whatever, set the tracks to musical and change the project tempo or change the pitch of everything in the project with a couple of mouse clicks. Is that elastic? Dunno. The stuff you talk about above - exploring different tempos and pitches with loops - people have been doing that for some years in Acid, Cubase, Live etc. I'm not sure of the major differences.

I can easily change a 31.5 second piece of music to fit into 30.0 seconds in Cubase in a post project with a mouse click or two. I guess Elastic Audio does more than that or does it better, or sounds better, which is cool. :) Better is always good. But those things you talk about above aren't really new, only new to PT... and maybe better quality than what Cubase does in realtime, granted. I don't know. Cubase does very good pitching and stretching of loops and has for quite some time. What does EA do better in that regard?

Thanks man. I appreciate it. When I said "argue" I was talking about myself, not you, I kinda started an "argument" though I didn't mean to.

I meant to start a "discussion" or rather ... contribute to one. Sorry. :D

[Animus]

Also a good point and something I was thinking about as well

Multitrack drum quantizing is more of an audio recording type feature - why would they stick it in Nuendo which is supposedly aiming to capture the Post studio market

Maybe because those marketing disitnctions are total bullshit? :icon_lol: Just a reason to leapfrog new features and bugfixes between them. :eusa_think::headbang-1:

[messianic]

Maybe because those marketing disitnctions are total bullshit? :icon_lol: Just a reason to leapfrog new features and bugfixes between them. :eusa_think::headbang-1:

Yes, Animus this would be correct it's part of the development process that cannot be avoided.

[Doublehelix]

The whole update is a bit of a yawner for me. I am almost 100% an audio guy recording bands, so none the beat creation/mashing tools mean anything to me.

I already own Melodyne and Auto-tune...

I already own Waves IR-1 Convolution reverb...

No need for a tempo or signature track in most cases since I really don't do any midi.

Midi articulations are cool, but I won't use them in my work.

Media bay enhancements? Whatever.

I own MEAP, so the batch export while convenient, is not a must-have for me at this point.

Still on XP, so no 64-bit, at least for the foreseeable future.

The new automation looks cool, but not sure if it is worth the upgrade price.


So all-in-all, it is very cool upgrade for some folks, but for me personally, there is not much in it that appeals to me.

I was really hoping for something like Elastic Audio in PT as has been hashed about in this thread already.

PT LE is a joke for several reasons, and the cost of PT|HD is steep for what you get. That leaves me very few choices at the moment but to sit tight with C4 and enjoy it for what it is, a very stable program with several annoying bugs.

[True North]

I agree - I was initially excited because I misconstrued the fact that they were adding drum quantizinf features.

Batch Exports will be helpful but not worth throwing a Party for

[True North]

Maybe because those marketing disitnctions are total bullshit? :icon_lol: Just a reason to leapfrog new features and bugfixes between them. :eusa_think::headbang-1:

ahhhh riiigggght! Seems like an odd thing to BS about. Why not just say one is pro the other is for schmoes :D

Regardless, I am hoping they add they add an Elastic Audio drum quantizing function. I would strongly consider upgrading to Nuendo

[messianic]

ahhhh riiigggght! Seems like an odd thing to BS about. Why not just say one is pro the other is for schmoes :D

Regardless, I am hoping they add they add an Elastic Audio drum quantizing function. I would strongly consider upgrading to Nuendo

Elastic Audio, Drum Replacement tool, Multi-track Drum Editing tools may well be on the agenda, let's hope.

[The Guru]

Lemmings!:D

[LEX]

Did everyone vote in the poll? I know some of you have.
http://cubendo.com/showthread.php?t=347

If you don't want to leave a comment, you don't have to.

I'd like to get a REALISTIC number from users and how they feel about C5.

I figured many would be more willing to wait to see if it actually works or not.

Thanks

LEX

[The Guru]

Did everyone vote in the poll? I know some of you have.
http://cubendo.com/showthread.php?t=347

If you don't want to leave a comment, you don't have to.

I'd like to get a REALISTIC number from users and how they feel about C5.

I figured many would be more willing to wait to see if it actually works or not.

Thanks

LEX

Until you add an entry that says "I won't upgrade even if it outputs tutti-frutti ice cream" I can't vote.:D

[LEX]

Until you add an entry that says "I won't upgrade even if it outputs tutti-frutti ice cream" I can't vote.:D

I added I won't upgrade.

Use that if you don't want to upgrade for whatever reason.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Lemmings!:D

Damn it Nate,

.. everytime I read one of your posts now, I break into a Colonel Klink voice in my head... :smash:

Hohhgaaaan !!

[paulwr]

I think I'll be moving more towards Protools at this point. No need to torture myself further. Great, I can make a stupid BEAT now, wonderful. How about multitrack drum editing?
:icon_cry:

ProTools is still not so good for native plugs due to rtas. A lot of nice features for midi, but without an efficient reliable native plugin format, kind of useless for composing for me.

[Animus]

Damn it Nate,

.. everytime I read one of your posts now, I break into a Colonel Klink voice in my head... :smash:

Hohhgaaaan !!

You guys had Hogans Heros over in Oz? Guess that makes sense being a penile colony and all.
:D

[shanabit]

ProTools is still not so good for native plugs due to rtas. A lot of nice features for midi, but without an efficient reliable native plugin format, kind of useless for composing for me.

I here ya. I dont consider it a COMPOSERs DAW anyway. I think of:
Cubase,Logic and DP for that

[LEX]

Well, I think we can pretty much conclude these things since they will not state them on their forums.

NONE of the major bugs have been fixed, ala solo/mute and video truncation.

I'd be willing to bet that there is ZERO change with the video, so we will have continually have those problems.

I would bet that of the rest of the bugs that have been reported, only a 1/3rd at best would have been fixed.

I'm curious how V3 and V4 projects open and work in V5.

Hmm, it is going to get interesting soon.
If I was SB, I'd have a fix release ready for when people actually get the product.

LEX