v5 Teaser ad in Keyboard

[kdm]

The online issue of Keyboard just came out today with an ad for v5 (Cubase I assume). Just a teaser: all it says is "experience. innovation." with a couple of faded screenshots behind.

Probably post on sb.net on Thursday.

[LEX]

Is solo/mute an addon for v5?

LEX

[Animus]

Is solo/mute an addon for v5?

LEX

Yes, it will be called SMUK. Solo Mute Upgrade Kit.
:eusa_wall:

[psvennevig]

No no no no, you got it all wrong. Solo and mute are removed from v5, all from user wishes.

P

[TAFKAT]

..well thats one way of eliminating the issue... :D

[kdm]

I heard they just muted the solo feature, but when it went to final build it was somehow left unmuted on effects busses.

[kdm]

...it's scheduled to be fixed in v6.

[LEX]

LOL!

I am glad EVERYONE can have a sense of humor about it now. :)

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Whats the other option.. ? :eusa_pray:

[Sam]

I heard keyboard players dont even need solo or mute anyways.....but I pay out on keyboard players - because they are always the only member of the band who thinks they can do my job better than I can ;) But I always record their MIDI so I can show them I can do their job better and fix all the feel they haven't got :D - hang on - what instrument was it you play Vin....bass oboe?? ;)

hmmmm...yes...maybe its not called for....but they are mostly good humoured about it! ROR!!!

[Animus]

I heard keyboard players dont even need solo or mute anyways.....but I pay out on keyboard players - because they are always the only member of the band who thinks they can do my job better than I can ;) But I always record their MIDI so I can show them I can do their job better and fix all the feel they haven't got :D - hang on - what instrument was it you play Vin....bass oboe?? ;)

hmmmm...yes...maybe its not called for....but they are mostly good humoured about it! ROR!!!

Yeah those Casios Vin has are pretty badass. Works really well in the Dragonforce coverband he is in. You should ask him to show you the demos!

[TAFKAT]

I heard keyboard players dont even need solo or mute anyways.....but I pay out on keyboard players - because they are always the only member of the band who thinks they can do my job better than I can ;) But I always record their MIDI so I can show them I can do their job better and fix all the feel they haven't got :D - hang on - what instrument was it you play Vin....bass oboe?? ;)

Get it right stronzo, piano accordion , MIDI'ed .. , and the only solo I know about is when I am ripping some 32 note arps over Calabresella Mia , while muting your back ended offerings with my foot in your arse... :rotfl:

[Animus]

Get it right stronzo, piano accordion , MIDI'ed .. , and the only solo I know about is when I am ripping some 32 note arps over Calabresella Mia , while muting your back ended offerings with my foot in your arse... :rotfl:

Why are you being so mean to Sam for? He probably likes Dragonforce. I admit I didn't until you showed me your smooth interpretations of a few of their songs. You have that "touch" you know.

[TAFKAT]

Yeah those Casios Vin has are pretty badass. Works really well in the Dragonforce coverband he is in. You should ask him to show you the demos!

Dragonforce, pfffft, those boys are like playing in slo mo compared to some of the Tarantellas I can rip out... :D

As to the Casios', yeh, they are damn fine , have sum wicked beats in em, actually I think I heard a few that you ripped off me in your last offaling..

[UntamedSpirit]

Steinberg Cubase 5

"Steinberg (steinberg.net) has upgraded its flagship DAWs Cubase and Cubase Studio to version 5 (Mac/Win; Cubase 5, $599, Cubase Studio 5, $399 [both MSRP]). The emphasis this time around is on beat-creation tools and pitch editing for vocals. New rhythm-oriented tools include the LoopMash and Groove Agent One VST instrument plug-ins and Beat Designer for perfect groove alignment. On the vocal side, VariAudio lets you edit pitch directly in the Sample Editor, whereas the VST plug-in PitchCorrect incorporates Yamaha Pitch Fix technology to correct intonation on the fly. The convolution reverb REVerence rounds out the new plug-in offerings. You'll find myriad under-the-hood and user-interface enhancements, including an improved MediaBay, advanced batch export, and full Windows Vista 64-bit support."


maybe? ......

just as I suspected... Cubase is now officially a trip/hop toy.

a super Sequel... yeee haaa.

is it what I was hoping for..... no

will I be spreading my cheeks.... probably not

although
I always have in the past ;)

[Animus]

Steinberg Cubase 5

"Steinberg (steinberg.net) has upgraded its flagship DAWs Cubase and Cubase Studio to version 5 (Mac/Win; Cubase 5, $599, Cubase Studio 5, $399 [both MSRP]). The emphasis this time around is on beat-creation tools and pitch editing for vocals. New rhythm-oriented tools include the LoopMash and Groove Agent One VST instrument plug-ins and Beat Designer for perfect groove alignment. On the vocal side, VariAudio lets you edit pitch directly in the Sample Editor, whereas the VST plug-in PitchCorrect incorporates Yamaha Pitch Fix technology to correct intonation on the fly. The convolution reverb REVerence rounds out the new plug-in offerings. You'll find myriad under-the-hood and user-interface enhancements, including an improved MediaBay, advanced batch export, and full Windows Vista 64-bit support."


maybe? ......

just as I suspected... Cubase is now officially a trip/hop toy.

a super Sequel... yeee haaa.

is it what I was hoping for..... no

will I be spreading my cheeks.... probably not

although
I always have in the past ;)


Sounds like Melodyne in the sample editor. Sweet! :bouncy:

Now if it works is another thing.

[LEX]

Vista 64bit support.

To bad Vista is Crap.

How long are users going to have to wait when the actual Windows "New" Version (7) comes out?

No word on Solo/mute?
How about automation updates?

So what are the update prices I wonder? $499 and $299?
Hmm?

Wonder if they are really going to "ditch" Nuendo.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

You'll find myriad under-the-hood and user-interface enhancements, including an improved MediaBay, advanced batch export, and full Windows Vista 64-bit support."

.. can't wait to see what that entails....:sleeping:

[UntamedSpirit]

well,

it could be a nice upgrade if it's stable and that little blurb is authentic.

Batch processing... lol
better late than never I guess.
I remember asking for that to be included in vst32.....

[Jikky]

Steinberg Cubase 5

"Steinberg (steinberg.net) has upgraded its flagship DAWs Cubase and Cubase Studio to version 5 (Mac/Win; Cubase 5, $599, Cubase Studio 5, $399 [both MSRP]). The emphasis this time around is on beat-creation tools and pitch editing for vocals. New rhythm-oriented tools include the LoopMash and Groove Agent One VST instrument plug-ins and Beat Designer for perfect groove alignment. On the vocal side, VariAudio lets you edit pitch directly in the Sample Editor, whereas the VST plug-in PitchCorrect incorporates Yamaha Pitch Fix technology to correct intonation on the fly. The convolution reverb REVerence rounds out the new plug-in offerings. You'll find myriad under-the-hood and user-interface enhancements, including an improved MediaBay, advanced batch export, and full Windows Vista 64-bit support."


maybe? ......

just as I suspected... Cubase is now officially a trip/hop toy.

a super Sequel... yeee haaa.

is it what I was hoping for..... no

will I be spreading my cheeks.... probably not

although
I always have in the past ;)

Dam is that a serious quote or joke. well sry to the others, but since I do hip hop it's just what I need. It offers all the features that would be useful to me if that is really the case. Super Sequel here I come. I'm sitting on Vista 64 with 6gb of ram. It definately ain't trash for video editting. Now I just need to know that it ain't a joke.

[UntamedSpirit]

actually, no offense intended.

If it's true it seems like a good step ahead.

Now if it had Melodyne DNA that would be cool :D

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

[TerryG]

If this Yamaha Pitch Fix technology is the same plugin that's been hanging around largely unnoticed for 5 years and that's recently been attached as a freebie for inducing sales of items selling for $69 at online audio stores, I'm not holding my breath that it's anywhere remotely close to the league of Melodyne... especially with Cubase 5's new lower price...

The only positive spin I get is that I suppose the upgrade will be cheaper too.

Sounds like they're marketing a hiphop fake voice beat box machine.

[TAFKAT]

it could be a nice upgrade if it's stable and that little blurb is authentic.



Where did you pull the blurb from Mate ?

[UntamedSpirit]

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3409311

near the bottom is the supposed scan from EM

seems like a lot of effort for a hoax that would only last a day or so

[Daryl]

Well Cubase can't have the new video engine; that's for sure. Still waiting on that 64bit version of QuickTime.... :sleeping:

D

[TerryG]

Well Cubase can't have the new video engine; that's for sure. Still waiting on that 64bit version of QuickTime.... :sleeping:

D

...And a 64-bit compatible Dolby/DTS encoder

[TAFKAT]

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3409311

near the bottom is the supposed scan from EM

seems like a lot of effort for a hoax that would only last a day or so

Link is dead, so either the post or thread has been deleted..

A bit over the top seeing the press conference is Thursday, and its already in mags that have hit the street..

[Captain Caveman]

Well, there are new Cubase 5 forums on Cubase.net....

http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=109987

........

[BJF]

Funny how they have a troubleshooting post in the Mac forum already. Talk about thinking ahead.

P

[Captain Caveman]

Looks the the forums have been hidden.

Must have tried to mute it, but it solo'd instead.

:D

[Captain Caveman]

Where did you pull the blurb from Mate ?

Here is the scan....

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/828/emscan1jt5.jpg

It looks real enough, dunno if pitch shifting in the Sample Editor is as necessary as multi-track warping, but we'll see what transpires.

[Sam]

I have a weird feeling that maybe all the important bits might have been overlooked so we can get more whistling bells and less actual functionality :(

I so badly want the basics to get finished in this app.

Proper grouping, take management, session data management, multitrack warping of grouped tracks/events. Even that would be a good start. We need more filling out of the kind that the new auto was....good auto is so key, the rest of these things are like that, more important than inbuilt melodyne like stuff.....only proper groups and playlists dont make a good headline...do they?

[The dman]

I have a weird feeling that maybe all the important bits might have been overlooked so we can get more whistling bells and less actual functionality :(

I so badly want the basics to get finished in this app.

Proper grouping, take management, session data management, multitrack warping of grouped tracks/events. Even that would be a good start. We need more filling out of the kind that the new auto was....good auto is so key, the rest of these things are like that, more important than inbuilt melodyne like stuff.....only proper groups and playlists dont make a good headline...do they?

Totally agreed. Nothing against loops but I feel their going to be more concerned about keeping up with the Jonses than doing the above

[Captain Caveman]

Screenshots from C.Net....

http://www.kohanjong.com/cubase5_1.jpg

[BJF]

Looks the the forums have been hidden.

Must have tried to mute it, but it solo'd instead.

:D

:rotfl:

From the pictures, it looks like Cubase is getting the automation panel.

P

[MattiasNYC]

It'll be interesting to see how they will now handle the upgrades for those on Nuendo + NEK.

Actually, it'll be interesting to see the pricing period. Granted, they have new tools that are offer needed (perhaps) functionality, but considering the last year+ history of bullshit I wonder if they have the sensibility to "adjust" upgrade price accordingly. Something tells me no....

[h4nc0]

It'll be interesting to see how they will now handle the upgrades for those on Nuendo + NEK.

Actually, it'll be interesting to see the pricing period. Granted, they have new tools that are offer needed (perhaps) functionality, but considering the last year+ history of bullshit I wonder if they have the sensibility to "adjust" upgrade price accordingly. Something tells me no....


I highly doubt that they will "adjust" upgrade price nor anything for Nuendo+NEK users.

[Animus]

Well. I for one welcome the Melodyne functionality built in. But of course I would have like for those other outstanding issues to be addressed as well. Maybe for Nuendo 5?

[Animus]

And is it me or does the Cubase GUI look like it got a "overhaul"? Looks more desaturated like Nuendo which is more welcome to me since Cubase has always looked "Fisher Price" to me with it's garish colors.

[h4nc0]

And is it me or does the Cubase GUI look like it got a "overhaul"? Looks more desaturated liked Nuendo which is more welcome to me since Cubase has always looked "Fisher Price" to me with it's garish colors.

What I've heard is more 2D-like feel of the GUI. But I couldn't really see much from the screenshots. We will have to wait till the official announcement, I guess.

[h4nc0]

Okay, I got some more info on the new MIDI matrix editor. (see above screenshot) Apparently the lower part have expression presets that have different kinds of midi CC presets that you can apply to MIDI events. Also some kind of info track shown below.

http://www.kohanjong.com/cubase5_2.jpg


Upgrade from Cubase4 is $199USD it seems.

[Animus]

I imagine the Expression thing is a new architecture for builtin keyswitching/articulation for sample libraries. That would be cool.

Looks like I might have to eventually upgrade my Cubase if indeed Cubase got all the automation functions of Nuendo. Lovely, Nuendo is made obsolete again unless of course you actually do "post" with Nuendo. And then Nuendo 5 will come out and trump Cubase 5. ahhh Leapfrogging.... :eusa_doh:

[h4nc0]

I imagine the Expression thing is a new architecture for builtin keyswitching/articulation for sample libraries. That would be cool.

Looks like I might have to eventually upgrade my Cubase if indeed Cubase got all the automation functions of Nuendo. Lovely, Nuendo is made obsolete again unless of course you actually do "post" with Nuendo. And then Nuendo 5 will come out and trump Cubase 5. ahhh Leapfrogging.... :eusa_doh:

Yeah, MIDI expression thing looks really good. You know, I was told that I will still be bitching about Cubase/Nuendo, but I am actually pretty impressed from the screenshots so far. Let's hope the PITA bugs are fixed for good.

[sealaw]

Any word on upgrade prices from Cubase Studio 4?

[kdm]

And then Nuendo 5 will come out and trump Cubase 5. ahhh Leapfrogging.... :eusa_doh:

The new features do look cool, but any guesses on when N5 will be released? I'm guessing August.

[foxysounds]

Well, I bought an upgrade to Cubase Studio 4 just before Christmas. Digital Village were selling them off really cheaply. I wonder if I'll now qualify for a special upgrade price for Cubase Studio 5 because I only very recently bought 4? It's happened in the past :icon_lol:

The funny thing is, after all the negative stuff I heard about it I haven't even installed Cubase Studio 4 yet!

[BJF]

I want to see if they fix all the bugs from C4 in C5. I still find it interesting they are overlooking the fact that solo/mute is broken for a whole version.

B

[foxysounds]

I still find it interesting they are overlooking the fact that solo/mute is broken for a whole version.

P
I suspect they wanted C5 in time for NAMM and had to throw development resources at it to meet that deadline. Maybe it was always planned that way or maybe it was as a result of unforeseen problems. Either way they probably ended up not having enough resource to fix any more bugs in C4. That's not meant to excuse them. No program the size and complexity of Cubase will ever be bug-free but something as serious as the solo/mute problem should be fixed without having to pay for an upgrade. It's also very possible that it's fixed in C5 anyway. Of course the adverts won't list bug fixes because that would be admitting that you release software with bugs in it that are so major that you have to shout about the fixes in the next paid update! No company wants to admit that whether it's true or not.

Simon.

[Animus]

I still seriously doubt solo/mute will ever be fixed. They are betting on C5 to distract us. :eusa_whistle:

[True North]

Well, I know most of the new functions will probably not work as advertised out of the gate but it is about fucking time they FINALLY integrated a Beat Detective type function into the program.

Get ready to beta test folks !! :icon_razz:

Remember to back up your files in earlier versions if you are testing out the new release.

There are so many educational DVD's and books available for learning Cubase, someone should write a 'how to' on dealing with Cubase upgrades :smash:

[Animus]

so true, True North!

[Martini]

h4nc0, can you please post a higher quality version of the midi editor picture

[psvennevig]

I'll post a lot of pictures when its official.

P

[Animus]

I'll post a lot of pictures when its official.

P


Can you tell us if solo/mute is fixed too? And about all the bugs that are in it? We need full disclosure. :D

[psvennevig]

A bit later maybe... Drinking Whisky right now.

[TAFKAT]

:emote_beerchug:

[Bill etc]

I admit, even with my hard-earned skepticism, I can get caught up in this "kid at Christmas" feeling with a new release coming.

Nevertheless, if the outstanding core issues from seq4 haven't been fixed, that warm glow will wear off like cheap vodka. And that's even before the inevitable new issues that come up with the new features, and more importantly, with still other core functions that may have been broken in implementing the new features.

I've been down this road with every new version since VST3, but I will be among the first to sing their praises if it's even moderately clean for a new release. But if the major existing problems are overlooked, to quote the song by The Kinks, "We're back where we started. Here we go 'round again..."

Regards,
Bill

[h4nc0]

Hmm.. I changed my email info on cubase.net and can't seem to get the account reactivated. :eusa_eh: So I can no longer post on cubase.net unless someone fixes that.

Anyway, I did get high-res shots but I won't spoil the fun for Steinberg.

[zvenx]

Did I miss Pål's c oming out party ? :-)
rsp

[LEX]

Well, I know most of the new functions will probably not work as advertised out of the gate but it is about fucking time they FINALLY integrated a Beat Detective type function into the program.

Get ready to beta test folks !! :icon_razz:

Remember to back up your files in earlier versions if you are testing out the new release.

There are so many educational DVD's and books available for learning Cubase, someone should write a 'how to' on dealing with Cubase upgrades :smash:

Yeah. It will probably be at the end of the Cubase 5 cycle before everything works, or works enough to use.

So, you can buy it to "preview" but will probably be stuck in V4 until mid 2010 for you can rely on it for serious work.

LEX

[shanabit]

There are so many educational DVD's and books available for learning Cubase, someone should write a 'how to' on dealing with Cubase upgrades :smash:

They actually have that How To book, its only a sentence though. Goes like this:

Please always stay AT LEAST one version behind with updates so as to not screw yourself in the event your client is standing behind you whilst running the application. And PS, backup often:icon_lol:
:rotfl:

[Martini]

I did get high-res shots but I won't spoil the fun for Steinberg.

Oh come on already, spill the beans :bouncy:

[TAFKAT]

... while your at it, let us in on where you obtained high res shots ..:eusa_think:

[Ade]

If this Yamaha Pitch Fix technology is the same plugin that's been hanging around largely unnoticed for 5 years and that's recently been attached as a freebie for inducing sales of items selling for $69 at online audio stores, I'm not holding my breath that it's anywhere remotely close to the league of Melodyne... especially with Cubase 5's new lower price...

The only positive spin I get is that I suppose the upgrade will be cheaper too.

Sounds like they're marketing a hiphop fake voice beat box machine.


FWIW, I use Melodyne and that Yamaha Pitch fix thing... and its quality shits all over Melodyne. I even wrote to Celemony and showed them the difference between a file processed with theirs and the Yam. I could sense shock in the response that came back, with an undertaking to improve their algorithm. The Yam does not have the capability of Melodyne... but it sure has a better way of producing S's and octave transpositions!

[h4nc0]

Oh come on already, spill the beans :bouncy:

Less than a day till official announcement. Plus, they are pretty much the same screenshots as the leaked ones.

TAFKAT, I don't want to upset anyone.

[UntamedSpirit]

FWIW, I use Melodyne and that Yamaha Pitch fix thing... and its quality shits all over Melodyne. I even wrote to Celemony and showed them the difference between a file processed with theirs and the Yam. I could sense shock in the response that came back, with an undertaking to improve their algorithm. The Yam does not have the capability of Melodyne... but it sure has a better way of producing S's and octave transpositions!

that's an interesting take that I've never come across before.

If that's the same plugin I got free with my 01X a few years back it's pretty surprising. I installed it and tried a couple of shifts and wasn't impressed.

Just goes to show how easy it is to jump to erroneous conclusions if you don't give things a thorough workout :eusa_whistle:

[TerryG]

FWIW, I use Melodyne and that Yamaha Pitch fix thing... and its quality shits all over Melodyne. I even wrote to Celemony and showed them the difference between a file processed with theirs and the Yam. I could sense shock in the response that came back, with an undertaking to improve their algorithm. The Yam does not have the capability of Melodyne... but it sure has a better way of producing S's and octave transpositions!

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,6373,CNTID%253D27460%2526CNTYP%253DPRODUCT,00.ht ml

"This product is discontinued in the United States and may not be available at all dealer locations."

FWIW...
Released in 2003... last updated in July 2007, given away for free as a purchase incentive from Steinbergupgrades after being discontinued in 2008...
...now rumored to be resurrected in some form within Cubase 5 in 2009...

Can you sense shock in my response? Ya, the shock that apparently Pitch Fix is the world's best kept discontinued secret. :icon_razz:

Your statement about Pitch Fix versus Melodyne proves one or two things:
1. Incredible loyalty in the face of far more popular options such as Autotune and Melodyne.
2. The incredible lack of marketing Yamaha conducted in letting the world's best pitch correction technology die from neglect.

[LEX]

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,6373,CNTID%253D27460%2526CNTYP%253DPRODUCT,00.ht ml

"This product is discontinued in the United States and may not be available at all dealer locations."

FWIW...
Released in 2003... last updated in July 2007, given away for free as a purchase incentive from Steinbergupgrades after being discontinued in 2008...
...now rumored to be resurrected in some form within Cubase 5.

Can you sense shock in my response? Ya, the shock that apparently Pitch Fix is the world's best kept discontinued secret.

Well, I guess we will have to do a side by side comparison then.

If Ade says it is better, then it must be. ;)

Well, when WE get our hands on it, we'll do a "qualified" test and post the results here.

LEX

[psvennevig]

Oh no! Not WE, WE are tough, WE are heavy.

P

[TAFKAT]

Pal,

I think he is trying to say that not everyone is going to take Ade's word for it ... :eusa_whistle:

Until we , as in the cattle class, actually get to test it ourselves, then the jury is still out...:D

[The dman]

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=703580

Wow a lot cheaper too.

[TAFKAT]

... but that maybe without the SEK.. :eusa_think:

[Captain Caveman]

Is that a TEMPO TRACK IN THE PROJECT WINDOW?!?!??!

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/7/6/582076.jpg

Looks like it!

:)

[The dman]

... but that maybe without the SEK.. :eusa_think:

I think they have to be competitive with Logic that's all.

[kdm]

I think they have to be competitive with Logic that's all.

That's my thinking as well. Digital Performer is $499 now, or has been since at least v6. Sonar 8 PE is selling for $499 as well. Apple pushed the market down to $500 for everyone. While it's great for consumers wanting to save a buck or 300, I'm not sure it's good for the industry since Apple doesn't have to make a dime off of Logic, but SB and MOTU do have to make their own living.

The problem with lower prices is that you inevitably have to sell to a lower level consumer base since that's the biggest share of the market. Pro level suffers when this happens imho.

[LEX]

That's my thinking as well. Digital Performer is $499 now, or has been since at least v6. Sonar 8 PE is selling for $499 as well. Apple pushed the market down to $500 for everyone. While it's great for consumers wanting to save a buck or 300, I'm not sure it's good for the industry since Apple doesn't have to make a dime off of Logic, but SB and MOTU do have to make their own living.

The problem with lower prices is that you inevitably have to sell to a lower level consumer base since that's the biggest share of the market. Pro level suffers when this happens imho.

MOTU doesn't make their living with DP either.

They make it on hardware as well.

LEX

[Ade]

Well, I guess we will have to do a side by side comparison then.

If Ade says it is better, then it must be. ;)

Well, when WE get our hands on it, we'll do a "qualified" test and post the results here.

LEX

:eusa_snooty:
Hey, why wait, hot shot? Both products have been around a while.
Wide transpositions and sibilance.... no comparison. And, as I pointed out, Celemony agreed. Do they 'qualify'?

[kdm]

MOTU doesn't make their living with DP either.

They make it on hardware as well.

Doh - you are right Lex. Thanks for clarifying. I guess that leaves Cakewalk and Steinberg battling it out for multi-product coverage, and support from Roland and Yamaha respectively.

[LEX]

:eusa_snooty:
Hey, why wait, hot shot? Both products have been around a while.
Wide transpositions and sibilance.... no comparison. And, as I pointed out, Celemony agreed. Do they 'qualify'?

This is what you are telling us. And when was this. 5 years ago?

Also, now your saying it is better when no one else has had the opportunity to try it, and as Terry pointed out, it was a discontinued product over 5 years ago.

Maybe Celemony agreed 5 years ago, we don't know. But they agreeded to You and you alone. How do we know all the context in what was said?

And then why not give us a side by side test, then let users do their own side by side test and determine for themselves whether it is "better" or not.

LEX

[The dman]

WTF did Steinberg shut down the Cubase forums because people would be talking about V5?

[Ade]

Also, now your saying it is better when no one else has had the opportunity to try it, and as Terry pointed out, it was a discontinued product over 5 years ago.

LEX


I dunno... does this link work?
http://www.01xray.com/software/plugins.html

[Sound Drifter]

Looks the the forums have been hidden.

Must have tried to mute it, but it solo'd instead.

:D


Lol :wave:

[kdm]

I dunno... does this link work?
http://www.01xray.com/software/plugins.html

Link works, but the pitch plugin won't install - it hangs up looking for the VST plugins folder, even if you point it to one.

[LEX]

Link works, but the pitch plugin won't install - it hangs up looking for the VST plugins folder, even if you point it to one.

LOL!

Funny how everyone talks about Melodyne, but NO ONE talks about this Yamaha Pitch Fix.

It is pretty obvious you have been "testing" C5, but I'd have to hear it for myself and I am sure everyone else will have to as well.

Why not post a side by side test?

LEX

[Ade]

Comparison of artifacts introduced by Melodyne vs Yamaha Pitch Shift over one octave drop.

As you can hear, the Yamaha sounds smoother. Melodyne sounds gritty.
It's an extreme example, but the kind of distortion that Melodyne introduces to sibilance and the graininess it introduces as pitch moves further away from its origin is implicit in the files. Applies whether moving up or down in pitch.

[LEX]

What version of Melodyne!

LEX

[Ade]

It is pretty obvious you have been "testing" C5,

You are completely, utterly, 100%, wrong.
Hard for you to contemplate your fallibility, but I'm sure that mutual friends will confirm.

[Ade]

What version of Melodyne!

LEX

As you ask.... have a nice big piccy.
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/13/07/88/69/splash10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=25&u=13078869)

[kdm]

Comparison of artifacts introduced by Melodyne vs Yamaha Pitch Shift over one octave drop.



Do you have anything on a raw, unaffected vocal?

Any suggestions on installing the Yammy pitch plugin demo? Hangs looking for the VST folder.

[LEX]

You are completely, utterly, 100%, wrong.
Hard for you to contemplate your fallibility, but I'm sure that mutual friends will confirm.

Okay, Nuendo 5.

LEX

[Ade]

Dedric, I don't know anything about that link - I just pointed to it.
The purpose of the test is clear. I own and use both. The Yamaha is a quick fix but offers no precision tools. It's the sound I'm pointing to. I invariably use Melodyne for tuning vocals... but if I need to create harmony parts from a single line, then Yamaha - with its ability to read midi notes and pitch bend - and to not introduce all that phhzzzz is a better choice. And in achieving that, it also highlights Melodyne's weakness.

[kdm]

Just thought I would try the demo, but I'll look elsewhere. I use Sonar's VariVocal for vocal tuning, and it works pretty well - it does get a little grainy beyond a semitone or so.

Hopefully C5/N5's version is at least a comparable alternative. Not expecting N5 for another 6-12 months though... oh well.

[Ade]

Okay, Nuendo 5.

LEX

You're not a betting man, are you?
C'mon... how much you wanna bet?
$10k?
:rotfl:

[LEX]

Just thought I would try the demo, but I'll look elsewhere. I use Sonar's VariVocal for vocal tuning, and it works pretty well - it does get a little grainy beyond a semitone or so.

Hopefully C5/N5's version is at least a comparable alternative. Not expecting N5 for another 6-12 months though... oh well.

Interestingly enough, you can't buy Pitch Fix, at least I haven't found anywhere to buy it and the plugin won't install either.

So even if it is better, we can only believe what you say or use that ONE example as a basis for decision.

BTW, the Melodyne version you are using is an older version.
Maybe there is a reason for that.

LEX

[LEX]

You're not a betting man, are you?
C'mon... how much you wanna bet?
$10k?
:rotfl:

So you don't beta test for Steinberg AT ALL?

LEX

[Ade]

Interestingly enough, you can't buy Pitch Fix, at least I haven't found anywhere to buy it and the plugin won't install either.

So even if it is better, we can only believe what you say or use that ONE example as a basis for decision.

BTW, the Melodyne version you are using is an older version.
Maybe there is a reason for that.

LEX

Yes... I haven't updated. Are you on N4? We all have our reasons for keeping a system in a state that works for us. I don't think there have been any changes in the algo from the email I received in Nov 2008:
The service update 1.0.4 for Melodyne plugin offers numerous improvements in terms of stability and interaction with various hosts. We recommend the update to all users of Melodyne plugin.

In addition to numerous small gains and improvements of detail, the following problems have been resolved:

• Ableton Live: we have fixed a bug that in the VST variant sometimes led to a crash;
• Digital Performer: Melodyne plugin 1.0.4 is compatible with DP 6.01;
• Pro Tools (under Vista): a bug has been fixed that sometimes caused crashes when Melodyne plugin was removed from a channel strip;
• Pro Tools (OS X): the deactivation and reactivation of Melodyne plugin or of the entire channel strip now functions as expected;
• Sonar: A bug has been fixed that resulted in playback errors when a transferred file was played back for the first time;
• all hosts in conjunction with iLok: the transfer of a license to an iLok can now also be undertaken without problems using the License Assistant.


If they'd managed to get the phzzzz out of the sibilants, I'm sure that would have been big news.
You can do the test even if you can't get Pitch Fix. You'll hear the same thing. What's so complicated? I've done my bit. If you care, test it. If you don't care, don't bother. No skin off my nose.

[Animus]

Looks like they finally put the tempo track on the Project page in Cubase 5. Sweet.

[UntamedSpirit]

Comparison of artifacts introduced by Melodyne vs Yamaha Pitch Shift over one octave drop.

As you can hear, the Yamaha sounds smoother. Melodyne sounds gritty.
It's an extreme example, but the kind of distortion that Melodyne introduces to sibilance and the graininess it introduces as pitch moves further away from its origin is implicit in the files. Applies whether moving up or down in pitch.

there's no doubt in my mind the Yamaha sample sounds a lot better,
I may have to dig through my 01X cd and find it again or maybe just
wait for Cubase 5.

But seriously,

with a voice like that, no wonder you have time to hang out here :D

[LEX]

Yes, it sounds better, but that is only one example and one instance.

That is why kdm asked for an uneffected version.

Other things maybe the other way around.
Without being able to test both, it is still hard to know.

Plus, you can't even buy Pitch Fix, so it is kind of a moot point.

LEX

[Ade]

with a voice like that, no wonder you have time to hang out here :D

That's why it's important to get every help possible! :icon_lol:

[Ade]

Y Default
Yes, it sounds better, but that is only one example and one instance.


LEX

Then get your OWN example, stick it in Melodyne and LISTEN.
As I SAID you don't need the Yamaha to illustrate the issue.

Off to NAMM.
Bye! :-)

[kdm]

Check out the video of C5 features. VariAudio actually looks rather cool. A bit better interface than Roland/Sonar's. If it sounds great, and works, then it could be a winner.

[TAFKAT]

I think they have to be competitive with Logic that's all.

Hey D,

You did get that was a joke... :D

[TAFKAT]

..BTW,

So we have one example where a 4-5 year old plugin that no-one had even heard of , let alone used except the lone ranger here , which looked more like a competitor to autotune to me, and all of a sudden he is claiming its the exact technology that has made its way into C5, while at the same time shit canning the best selling product on the market that Steinberg seemed to have borrowed the idea from .., all the while claiming no inner knowledge..

Right.., my detector just went off.. !

[Ade]

Just out the door... so I'll get one response in for the ever amiable Vin.


So we have one example where a 4-5 year old plugin that no-one had even heard of

So what?


let alone used except the lone ranger here ,

You should pay more attention then. Your loss. And still.... so what? Don't like the fact that Melodyne can't handle sibilance and wide pitch shifts as smoothly as this little plug in? Doesn't change the facts about the sound.


which looked more like a competitor to autotune to me,

Yes. So what? Autotune and Melodyne were not competing products? Comparisons between the two never came up when discussing the merits of pitch correcting products? The point, lest you missed it, was the sound. Not the GUI.


and all of a sudden he is claiming its the exact technology that is made its way into C5, and he is also claiming no inner knowledge.

Don't write what you think I said. Write what I said. I said I had not tested C5. It has never been installed on any computer that I own and I have never sat in front one that's running it. That's it. End of the story Vin. But WTF is this to do with me anyway? I've posted an example... I could post 100. Better idea would be for you to fire up Melodyne and put yer ears back on.


while at the same time shit canning the best seeing product on the market
I use it. I know its weaknesses. A philosophy that you have built 2 web sites on. So what? Pitch Fix has less artifacts than Melodyne. Am I not allowed to say that on a forum which prides itself on open discussion? I'm not on trial here.... the quality of a pitch plug in is. So stop steaming and test it... the thing you do best in life. :)


that Steinberg seemed to have borrowed the idea from ..
Have you used it? I haven't. Maybe you're right. I hope they've haven't borrowed the very thing I have proven - at least to myself and those who work with me - and maybe to a couple of people here ... which is the sound of PHHZZZZ.


Hold the phone, ... Right.., my detector just went off.. !

WTF?

[TAFKAT]

Right,

You are trying to compare my benchmarking work with what you just offered up.. ?

Don't start on me about my ears, my ears are just fine, I wouldn't trust anything you post or say as far as I can throw it.., and I really couldn't care less either way to be honest.

Save your BETA list hit man bullshite , you tried it on at G.S and it didn't get you anywhere, so save your breath here.

If you haven't tried it in C5 , then WTF are you even talking about here ?

So what indeed.. !!

You are a shill, nothing more, nothing less.. !!

[Ade]

You're dysfunctional.
Get help.

Bye.

[Animus]

Let's all calm down and take a deep breath. :emote_beerchug:

[MattiasNYC]

As far as I can see Ade simply said that "The Yam does not have the capability of Melodyne... but it sure has a better way of producing S's and octave transpositions! ". That is his opinion and he has the right to have it.

Fortunately, he posted some examples to go along with it. So that's a good thing, right? Most "shills" wouldn't go that far.

Lastly, we can either try the stuff ourselves or wait until the C5 version comes out and then make a judgment.

But for now, let's all chill out - ok?

[TAFKAT]

You're dysfunctional..
Priceless,

So I suppose you are an authority on functionality as well.., let me add that to your cyber cloaked CV..

BTW: If you haven't fired up Cubase 5 yet, what in farks name are you doing on the BETA list ?

[The dman]

Hey D,

You did get that was a joke... :D

LOL got ya...that one flew right by me but with Steinberg one never knows:icon_

[LEX]

That was a functional dys.

LEX

[Animus]

I'm going to agree with Ade in some ways. There are definitely better pitch/time shifting product as far as fidelity preservation. THe beauty of Melodyne is the gui and the ease of use. That was the revolutionary aspect of the product. I never tried the Yamaha thing but it wouldn't surprise me if it was better quality. In fact I hope it is better quality. Better quality and Melodyne style ease of use is a good thing to be integrated into Steinberg's DAW isn't it?

[TerryG]

I'm going to agree with Ade in some ways. There are definitely better pitch/time shifting product as far as fidelity preservation. THe beauty of Melodyne is the gui and the ease of use. That was the revolutionary aspect of the product. I never tried the Yamaha thing but it wouldn't surprise me if it was better quality. In fact I hope it is better quality. Better quality and Melodyne style ease of use is a good thing to be integrated into Steinberg's DAW isn't it?

Sure, but if Pitch Fix is all that good then the point about 5 years of lazy marketing is all the more important.
We've been complaining about Steinberg marketing long before Yamaha was involved... now we're supposed to expect two wrongs are making it right?

So, with this new LOW price for Cubase 5 gutting the current value of C4, how in the hell can Steinberg justify the existing price of Nuendo??? Especially the price of the standalone NEK when compared to C5???
And, if they drop Nuendo 5 pricing accordingly, N4/N3's value will be gutted as well.

If anyone out there is considering selling N4, do it now.

Nuendo 5 better be all or nothing... No NEK/FEK/MEK/PEK BS for me.

[Animus]

No NEK/FEK/MEK/PEK BS for me.

it will be SMUK for all of us.
:headbang-1::phone3::willy_nilly::freak3:

[dcwave]

If the Yammy thing is the one that came with my 01x... I was not impressed. It hung my system a few times and so off it went.

[Audiocave]

It looks to me like the melo-pitch thing uses at least one part Elastique' (warping, see the Cubase credits) while the the Yammy uses another algo and while pitching on the timeline uses MPEX?

I'm not sure but it looks that way.