G.C. EXP MAPS --RECORDING GLITCH

[g.c.]

RUNNING: WINDOWS 7, i7, CUBASE 5.5, 24 GB

Hi.
( With aplogies for the length of this query)
I cannot get my Cubase Expression Maps built with Kontakt Banks to record the Key Switched articulations in Cubase. All of my other key switched libraries from East West, Kontakt Factory , Vienna Key Switched Matrixes etc. have always and still do work fine.
And my Expression Maps as I've set them up work perfectly in a track until I go to record them, wherin only the last used key switch from the map is in the track. It will have disabled all of the other keyswitches previously used in the track, regardless of how I input them. In addition , Play etc. and the other Key Switch programs I regularly use always input the Key Switch notes in the Editors (c0 to f#0 etc.) but with the Expression Maps there are no (c0 etc.) key switched notes recorded into the Editors. What's more, even though they are loaded on the track, I cannot even draw them in.
I know from the forums that Kontakt Banks and Vienna Pro, etc are successfully used for Expression Maps by others and hope with the following someone will see what I'm doing wrong.
So again with apologies for the length of this but hopefully I can eliminate some questions or reveal to someone out there where I'm making my error(s) by describing how I set up and use Maps.

Using the articulation patches from 9 Orchestral libraries from East West, LASS, etc. I drag the instruments to a Bank in Kontakt as follows:
Patch 1.LEG to Kontact 4 Bank 001
2.NVB to K4 Bank 002
3. SVB to K4 Bank 003
etc onto
20. MART to K4 Bank 020
and then title & Save this Bank in Kontakt.

In Cubase's "Expression Map Setup" headings I do as follows:

EXPRESSION MAPS:
I title the map with the same name as its corresponding Kon. Bank.

SOUNDSLOTS:
REMOTE= c0
NAME = LEG
ART 1 = I use "ASSIGN CUSTOM ARTICS"

Then in the Articulations Box I do:
ART= TEXT -- LEG
TYPE= DIFFERENT .( I've also tried "ATTRIBUTE", didn't make any difference)

Then in the OUTPUT MAPPING Box:
1st KEY SWITCH = c0
PROGRAM = 001

After completing the given map I save it to a folder on my project drive I'VE created in the "CUBASES PROJECTS" folder named "EXPRESSON MAPS", wherein I've subfolders by instrument category.

I've saved all of them by the same titles in both Kontakt and Cubase.

For a project I load and use my Maps as follows:
In Cubase I open a Projects Midi Track, then open Kontakt thru the VST Instruments Rack, bring the needed bank(s) into the Kontakt Rack and assign the midi channel(s) & Stereo Output(s) to them. In Cubase I assign the same channel & St. Outputs as in Kontakt, (i.e. a Kontakt Bank assigned to Midi Channel 1, Stereo Output 1 in both Kontakt and Cubase).
I then go per track to "VST EXPRESSION MAPS", and "LOAD" the needed maps for the Kontakt Banks to their respective midi tracks where, as I said before, all of my Maps when created, saved and loaded as described above on a Cubase midi track play perfectly and bring up every articulation on command. This is confirmed both audiowise and visually on the Map scroll on the track itself.
However when I activate the track a map installed (all the assignments are correct) and press "Record" this is what happens:
Press record.
Press c0 and record a few notes.
Press g#0 and record a few notes. I can hear them and the Map track scroll shows me that the articulations are being selected and played.
Stop.
Playback.
At the end of the pass the last articulation used has canceled out all the others used and is the only articulation now in the project.

I've tried at the end of a pass going back to c0 again ala East West and I've tried passes leaving the last elected articulation active at the end.
I"ve also tried making a seperate Record pass and playing in the Key Switches as a seperate recorded pass and I've tried drawing them in.
Regardless of how I input my Expression Map Key Switches three things are consistent:
1. I can hear them play and the track scroll ALWAYS shows me that the Key Switches are being moved to and activated;
2. But unlike any other Key Switch library I use, there is no input in either InLine or the Key Editor for the Key Switch notes (the c0's,g#0's etc. As I said earlier, I cannot even Draw them in!
3.Even if I break up a tracks recording passes and record or draw articulations in them in as seperate recordings, again, the last keyswitch used in the last pass eliminates all of the others used for the total of the entire track.
I know from the forums that Kontakt Banks and Vienna Pro, etc are successfully used for Expression Maps use by others.
Does anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing?

Thanks in advance,
g.c.

[Animus]

It looks like you are meaning to use program changes with the Kontakt program banks but you are setting up actual keyswitches. I would setup Expression with program changes with an articulation in each slot in the bank. Only problem with this is that you can't use the vst3 version VE Pro as it doesn't support program change. I will have to read you post more carefully to see if I am misunderstanding you.

[g.c.]

Hi Animus.
Thanks for the quick reply.
In Kontakt I've dragged each articulation into a bank slot (ie -Vln Leg. to Kon. Bank Slot 001, N. VB. to Kon. Bank slot 002, etc).
Then in the "Expression Map Setup" set the Sound Slots "Remote" to c0, named that Leg..
In the "Artic 1" column I use "Assign Custom".
In the "Articulation Box (lower right corner) I select "Text" and then title the Artic..
Then in the "Output Mapping box" I set the "1st Key Switch to "c0" and the "Program" to (Kon Bank) 001 to Key Switch "c0".
g.c.

[Animus]

You shouldn't be using the C0 keyswitch at all in the Expression output. Do you have C0 set for each program in the bank? If you have C0 set for the Remote and each articulation then that could be your problem.

[g.c.]

Hi back again Animus. No as to the question.
Using Vlns as an example I set them up as follows:
In the "OUTPUT MAPPING BOX"I assign as follows:
1st Key Switch c0 = Kontakt Bank No. 001
1st k.s. c#0= Kon Bank 002
1st k.s. d0= Kon Bank 003
and so forth, usually to
1st k.s. g1= Kon Bank 020
But you write that I "shouldn' be using "c0" Key Sw. in the Expression Output".
Are you talking about the "1st Key Switch Slot" in the Expression Mapping Box? That is where I've assigned all Key Switches to Kontakt Bank No.'s
As far as I can tell there isn't anywhere else to route Key Switch No.'s and Kon Bank no.'s together.
Also , these all play just perfectly as midi tracks and will record (and scroll) when I record the Key Switches as I bring them up. Cubase just won't preserve any of the Key Switches but the last one.
(For what its worth I have not created these to be used in the Score Editor. I use Sibelius.)
Thanks for your interest. I know you use Kontakt Banks also. If you don't mind, would you be willing to tell me what you do differently from how I've set these up?
Thanks again ,the best
g.c.

[Animus]

Only thing you need to fill in is program change in the mapping box. Don't put key switches unless you have kontakt setup to respond to keyswitches, where it seems you have them setup for program changes. The Remote keyswitch is just another level on the frontend for live trigger playing.