Defects in SandyBridge!?!

[Animus]

http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/01/31/intel-identifies-chipset-design-error-implementing-solution

[shanabit]

All this means to me is now I HAVE to get an X58 system. Im NOT buying a broken board. As far as the percentage affected, how many want to be in
the percentage of airplanes that crash? I dont. This blows!!!! Just means more money on my end, about $700

[paulwr]

All this means to me is now I HAVE to get an X58 system. Im NOT buying a broken board. As far as the percentage affected, how many want to be in
the percentage of airplanes that crash? I dont. This blows!!!! Just means more money on my end, about $700

sounded like they are rectifying this quickly. All the distributors and retailers know which ones are screwed up, don't they? Can't you just check closely when you purchase? It was yesterday I read that article, but can't the bad chips be identified from the mobo's? The replacements are getting I new name for the support chips I thought.

-Paul

[Animus]

Shit is hitting the fan over here. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/576745-check-out-if-you-own-sandy-bridge-processor.html lol

[shanabit]

Shit is hitting the fan over here. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/576745-check-out-if-you-own-sandy-bridge-processor.html lol

CLOSED down now.. I was looking for clarification, NOT for them to get into it

[shanabit]

sounded like they are rectifying this quickly. All the distributors and retailers know which ones are screwed up, don't they? Can't you just check closely when you purchase? It was yesterday I read that article, but can't the bad chips be identified from the mobo's? The replacements are getting I new name for the support chips I thought.

-Paul


All have been pulled form everyones shelves now. Who knows which boards, Im sure not going to try and figure it out
Besides they are saying April now for the new boards to come out

[Animus]

Just get Gulftown and call it a day. Tried and true performer.

[TAFKAT]

Just means more money on my end, about $700

How do you figure that ?


All have been pulled form everyones shelves now. Who knows which boards, Im sure not going to try and figure it out
Besides they are saying April now for the new boards to come out

Yeh, around the same time Z68 hits... ;-)

I am playing my cards way closer to my chest , but I had my reasons why I hadn't jumped onto the hype bus and I am not going to be commenting any further online except to say that for those that jumped early, they are in a World of shite now because the so called 5% over 3 years is bullshite. If that was the case we would have been none the wiser, intel would have quietly revised the chips and the motherboard manufacturers would simply have swapped the boards within the warranty period, also how the fark did it already rear its head with the OEM's , and it was serious enough for them to stop production and do a full recall.

First time ever for a chipset I may add.

I said it before on another thread and I'll say it again, those prematurely writing off the X58 platform are now having a serious rethink , while I am just sitting back with a smile, packing up my SB dev boards and throwing them back head height and delivering working, rock solid X58 systems to clients that will serve them for years, totally leap frog this whole mess and wonder what all the fuss was about... :-)

[TAFKAT]

Shit is hitting the fan over here. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/576745-check-out-if-you-own-sandy-bridge-processor.html lol

Damn, what did I miss, who got into it ?

[TAFKAT]

Never mind I think I have a fair idea... LOL

Still one SB thread at G.S for now Here (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/576790-intel-identifies-flaw-sandy-bridge-cpus.html)

[crypticglobe]

How do you figure that ?



Yeh, around the same time Z68 hits... ;-)

I am playing my cards way closer to my chest , but I had my reasons why I hadn't jumped onto the hype bus and I am not going to be commenting any further online except to say that for those that jumped early, they are in a World of shite now because the so called 5% over 3 years is bullshite. If that was the case we would have been none the wiser, intel would have quietly revised the chips and the motherboard manufacturers would simply have swapped the boards within the warranty period, also how the fark did it already rear its head with the OEM's , and it was serious enough for them to stop production and do a full recall.

First time ever for a chipset I may add.

I said it before on another thread and I'll say it again, those prematurely writing off the X58 platform are now having a serious rethink , while I am just sitting back with a smile, packing up my SB dev boards and throwing them back head height and delivering working, rock solid X58 systems to clients that will serve them for years, totally leap frog this whole mess and wonder what all the fuss was about... :-)


Wait a second... I think we have all been thrust into a parallel universe! Vin and I agree 100% on this! :) :) :) :)

[Animus]

hey Steve. Welcome to the forums. :-)

[TAFKAT]

Wait a second... I think we have all been thrust into a parallel universe! Vin and I agree 100% on this! :) :) :) :)

Ohhh no you don't, don't get me in the middle of this... !!!!

[crypticglobe]

Ohhh no you don't, don't get me in the middle of this... !!!!

In the middle of what? :) I truly do agree 100% with your post.

Thanks Animus. Its an honor to be allowed to particpate. Cool tracks on ur Myspace btw.

[Jcschild]

How do you figure that ?

$700 more to get the power of the 980x (err i mean 2600 stock)
while not dead even it aint far behind less than 10%


Yeh, around the same time Z68 hits... ;-)

that chipset looks good, i may have to jump on it due to more pcie lanes for video...



I said it before on another thread and I'll say it again, those prematurely writing off the X58 platform are now having a serious rethink , while I am just sitting back with a smile, packing up my SB dev boards and throwing them back head height and delivering working, rock solid X58 systems to clients that will serve them for years, totally leap frog this whole mess and wonder what all the fuss was about... :-)

got news for you man.. i would do it again.. i have no regrets at all (yeah this recall is a major PITA)
and when the replacement boards arrive in march (i hope)
it will be the system i recommend over the X58 all day long but for a handful of users..


and when the next chipset comes along i will be the on top of it as well.
i am not waiting 6 months to see how a chipset bakes..
didnt for P35,45,55 or X38/58.. (48 wasnt around long enough to talk about) etc etc and i was never wrong them.. well other than AMD according to you :-) (had to poke that in there...)

as you said this is the first time a recall was ever done..
and when the big dog SBs come out i will be on them and ready at launch (surely you will wait a fwe months wont you?) :-)

[Animus]

Daw Wars! It's on. The titans battle.

[TAFKAT]

$700 more to get the power of the 980x (err i mean 2600 stock)
while not dead even it aint far behind less than 10%

Right,

Now you know I said I wasn't going to discuss my internal DAWbench numbers online until I was good and ready, and I have actually tested across the whole suite, I know exactly what SB delivers and why, and how the numbers actually stack up , so no need to quote % to me when all you have done is one of the tests.

Now considering the vast majority of clients are not anywhere near tapping a Quad Nehalem , the benches now a days are of less importance to many , but for those that have to have the latest and greatest , while using 30% of the capability, then , hey , more power to em.


that chipset looks good, i may have to jump on it due to more pcie lanes for video...LOL, its basically what the P67 should have been , and it will basically obsolete the P67 in a few months IMO, so wow, what a shelf life P67 has had , eh.. !!


got news for you man.. i would do it again.. i have no regrets at all (yeah this recall is a major PITA)
and when the replacement boards arrive in march (i hope)
it will be the system i recommend over the X58 all day long but for a handful of users..Good for you Mate , and I'll continue selling what ever I feel is the best option for my clients and their respective solutions.


and when the next chipset comes along i will be the on top of it as well.
i am not waiting 6 months to see how a chipset bakes..
didnt for P35,45,55 or X38/58.. (48 wasnt around long enough to talk about) etc etc and i was never wrong them.. well other than AMD according to you :-) (had to poke that in there...)Right, so I'm not on top of it , eh.. LOL !!

We maybe on the same page on some things, but definitely not on others, I remember you giving me stick about using i975 way past what you thought was its use bye date , while you jumped onto the passing parade. Those i975 systems are still in use to this day, are rock solid and I doubt any of the clients give a rats arse whether they were supposedly one gen behind. Point being, exactly the same situation now, I may have been a little behind on my SB dev because I didn't get the advance parts , but my development was well on its way before the recall. I wasn't comfortable going live just because they were faster , I still had issues I was navigating and overall IMO the platform feels half arsed , so for my clients I will still deliver working X58 systems, clients bye the way that will have a solution for years .

If a client thinks he is getting short changed with the X58 over a SB , he is more than welcome to discuss that with me.

Re the "Big Dog " , you mean Sandybridge B2 , sure I'll be all over it, but I'll release them when they are baked, and I'll keep it in my pants until that time... :-)

Now I am going to go back and do something more important, like finishing some working systems off for clients ....

[crypticglobe]

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Don't deny it. You KNOW you laughed when you saw this. :D :D

Oh yeah... and crap! I totally agree with Vin again! Wow. Maybe joining this forum "fixed" me! :D

[Jcschild]

Right,


Now considering the vast majority of clients are not anywhere near tapping a Quad Nehalem , the benches now a days are of less importance to many , .
well this is definately true.. truth is even the 1090T AMD is good enough for most hacks... key word being hacks..

i wish Chris would get your VI test done... thats the one that i am most interested in seeing.. if brute power(SB) vs trichannel (X58) makes that much diff.. did you every finish the VI test with your SB OCed?




LOL, its basically what the P67 should have been , and it will basically obsolete the P67 in a few months IMO, so wow, what a shelf life P67 has had , eh.. !!
well you may very well be correct on that one.. depends on pirce of the Xeon vs its equal desktop... or if the non-Xeon will drop in like usual..
for audio i dont see the difference but for video you cant add an 8x raid card to the P67...



Good for you Mate , and I'll continue selling what ever I feel is the best option for my clients and their respective solutions.

Right, so I'm not on top of it , eh.. LOL !! that was my point any other time you are ready to go at luanch or close to it like i am...
so dont bust my chops for "jumping the gun"

We maybe on the same page on some things, but definitely not on others, I remember you giving me stick about using i975 way past what you thought was its use bye date , while you jumped onto the passing parade. Those i975 systems are still in use to this day, are rock solid and I doubt any of the clients give a rats arse whether they were supposedly one gen behind. Point being, exactly the same situation now, I may have been a little behind on my SB dev because I didn't get the advance parts , but my development was well on its way before the recall. I wasn't comfortable going live just because they were faster , I still had issues I was navigating and overall IMO the platform feels half arsed , so for my clients I will still deliver working X58 systems, clients bye the way that will have a solution for years .
what was after 975? i dont recall.. and 975 was one of the most stable platforms and the last time intel branded boards worked right. oh yeah P35/x38 very very few boards that worked right for that... yeah we lamented the 975 days and actually used that chipset in our lyve tracker rigs for a good while

If a client thinks he is getting short changed with the X58 over a SB , he is more than welcome to discuss that with me.

Re the "Big Dog " , you mean Sandybridge B2 , sure I'll be all over it, but I'll release them when they are baked, and I'll keep it in my pants until that time... :-)
well its good to know you will keep something in your pants ya wop.. dont want to jump on those too quickly ya know there might be another chipset recall :-)

Now I am going to go back and do something more important, like finishing some working systems off for clients ....

[TAFKAT]

well this is definately true.. truth is even the 1090T AMD is good enough for most hacks... key word being hacks..

Scott,

I hope you are not trying to suggest that X58 would only be suitable for hacks... LOL

BTW: I think you are confused what Z68 is Bro, its simply the desktop performance chip that will supercede P67, it has nothing to do with Xeons.. :-)

Re busting your chops about jumping early, all due respect Mate, you were posting prelim numbers and generating hype way before "launch" . Not all of us have access to prelease boards , and even before I had product to test , you had already tried to sign the X58's death warrant.. :-)

Only thing I will say to that is..


The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated

:eusa_whistle:


i wish Chris would get your VI test done... thats the one that i am most interested in seeing.. if brute power(SB) vs trichannel (X58) makes that much diff.. did you every finish the VI test with your SB OCedGood try, you know the answer to that , brute force.., LOL, you mean "clock speed" seeing memory performance isn't showing any benefit. I never overclocked the SB, I overclocked the Nehalem to the same clock , and as I said previously, I am not discussing this online and anything that we have shared offline stays offline.. Capiche !!


well its good to know you will keep something in your pants ya wop.. dont want to jump on those too quickly ya know there might be another chipset recall :-)LOL, It had nothing to do with the chipset recall , you know that you WOP , and I am not detailing the rest.

BTW: You do know what an NDA is don't you , in future at least keep it in ya pants until that lifts, that maybe an idea... :-)

For the peanut gallery reading in - Re the chipset recall - just to clarify something I heard went down at G.S but I didn't get to see before it was deleted :

The recall came out of the blue, all of us in the channel found out at exactly the same time , there was no forewarning , we all received the same memo from our respective distros and watched the shite hit the fan as the spin cycle started. Maybe some of the main players like Dell had some forewarning, but not before building and shipping huge quantities. This is unprecedented and not something I believe we will see again.

Ohhh before I forget...

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[crypticglobe]

I agree again! :)

About the G.S thread. I knew nothing specific in advance. All I had was a vague warning to hold off on SB systems until 2nd quarter from someone NOT affiliated with Intel... but historically has had reliable info. I had no idea of any specifics and had even begun listing SB based systems on my own site but was still directing people towards X58 in part because of the rumor, and in part because I agree with Vin that the whole platform doesn't feel as solid to me as X58... I think he said "thin" and that's how it felt to me too. My exact statement on the GS thread was I believe "I have known about this for a little while". Indeed... I probably should have said... I heard a rumor about an upcoming issue with SB, and for that reason combined with my other concerns have been recommending X58 over SB. I did not intend to insinuate that Scott knew and did nothing (what did he know, and when did he know it?!?!?!) :icon_razz:

On that thread I even defended Scott, saying that I was sure he didn't knowingly sell products that were going to shortly be re-called. I agree with Scott and Vin that officially and specifically it was kept pretty darn well under wraps. Do I disagree in practice with Scott sometimes? Sure. As a rule do I rush new technology to market? No... I don't. I used to... but it kicked me in the butt a few times and I am admittedly not a big enough company to absorb it. If one has the ability to make right any issues that come up (which apparently Scott seems to be doing a great job of), then I seen no ethical reason not to rush something market. It's a different business strategy is all. For me... I have to put a rig to work in my own recording environment for a while to be sure I can really trust it before I start selling it to people. It's been a good practice for me. Scott's business seems to be doing great, so maybe I should take a lesson or two from him though. I am not so proud that I can't admit when someone else in my line of work is doing a good job also.

My only beef was that he outright called me a liar on a public forum without contacting me personally about this issue (even though I had called him twice before I ever even posted on that thread out of courtesy, but he did not return my call and...we have spent hours on the phone over the years). I still think he owe's me an apology because I am being absolutely truthful, but whatever. I let it go. I even apologized to Vin for saying hurtful things to him and offer up my public apology to him here as well.

I have no problem with debates... but I think it's a shame (talking to myself as much as anyone) when we can't do it without getting abusive to each other. I hope we can all get along... or do I have to be Italian AND apologize to be accepted?? ;) If so I am totally screwed because I am half Irish, half German and native born Texan. :(

Anyway...I hope that's all of that, that will be needed on this in ANY forum and we can go back to keeping each other sharp by discussing the technical aspects of DAW building. :)

Peace!


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p.s. I know why Vin has been eating this popcorn all this time now... it wasn't to mess with me.. it's because it's DELICIOUS!!! ;)

[TAFKAT]

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[crypticglobe]

:pop_corn:

Hey.... can you get any of that real coconut oil based butter like they used to use in the theatres back in the day down there in Oz? They have practically banned it here in the US... ;)

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[leggy]

Any news on the whole SB thing? All problems sorted now? Any ideas on when the Z68's will arrive?

Thanks.

Rob

[Jcschild]

long ago yes new boards have been out for 2 months you cant even get an old one if you wanted to

[leggy]

Good to hear. And what about the Z68's? Any news on when they might be available?

Thanks,

Rob.

[Jcschild]

HI Rob,
they bring very litte to the table that P67 does not have.
mostly odd fluff.
support for using a small cheap ssd to make a large drive like an ssd
ability to use both dedicated and onboard (the processor) video at the same time..
i have no idea why but we have one incoming from intel to see what this is about.. all i see is it causing yet more potential DPC..

thats pretty much it oh and support for Xeons which means nothing..

[leggy]

Thanks a lot for the advice. Seems like a pretty good time to be upgrading.