Play 2 Problems [Archive]

kdm

08-04-2010, 08:29 PM

Bug in 2.0.18 that keeps it from running unless you get lucky and the workaround manages to bypass it. One time it did, but now it isn't and Play won't open at all.

The only solution apparently is to revert back to 1.2.5, which means you are hosed with any projects running Play 2.0. I tried 2.0.8 and it didn't work. Removing Play doesn't work either.
Everytime you install a library, it installs this faulty file, and when you try to remove it, it removes the library's access to Play, so it's an endless, unrecoverable cycle that leaves you stuck with no access to products you pay for.

Really makes you appreciate Kontakt based libraries.

Sam

08-04-2010, 08:47 PM

I for one, wont be buying any Play based stuff. I was interested in Play Pianos, but after reading around about play and its many issues - and what wankers the East West guys seem to be and the games they play online - I aint gonna touch Play....I will stick to Kontakt too....been using LASS a lot this last week with K4 and it has been a trouble free smooth experience from purchase to play :) no pun intended!

Animus

08-05-2010, 12:47 AM

Wankers indeed. They are so arrogant too they don't even realize it. :-)

Bman

08-05-2010, 12:49 AM

Never thought I'd say this, but Play is at last working well here, and playing nice with VE Pro 5437 too. Certainly though it's a very long time from initial release to usability for me but at last I'm at a point where I wouldn't be afraid of purchasing any more play libraries (I bought EWQLSO Plat upgrade from Kontakt in the initial Play hype but haven't used it). Maybe when Play Pro arrives and gives us an equivalent to Kontakts Banks it will have finally be a permanent fixture in my template.

Brett

kdm

08-05-2010, 01:14 AM

Well if they get a fix posted tonight I can finish a project I started with Play 2.0, unfortunately for me. Never knew updating Choirs would kill Play for Gypsy and SD2 as well.

That's the one big downside of the Play approach - it's all or nothing. With Kontakt, your libraries can still work with the playback version, and no library alters Kontakt's functionality itself. With Play, every install requires a re-update of Play to enable the library, and hence with this QtCore4.dll bug, there is no way around it without downgrading back to 1.2.5 and losing compatibility with existing projects using Play 2.0.

I don't see Play Pro competing with Kontakt 4.1. Kontakt is just far more advanced, mature and rock solid stable. I've never had a problem with Kontakt. I'm dead in the water with this Play bug, just hoping I can at least replace Play 2 in one project, and put the other on hold until they fix 2.0.x. Either way, I'm not a happy customer, and while tech support was helpful, in 3 phone calls in the past week, sorting this out, not one "We are sorry for this". Not even a hint of it. I tolerate EW for the sake of the work I do with their libraries, but my patience has run out.

kdm

08-06-2010, 01:52 PM

The latest update seems to fix the QtCore4.dll problem (if anyone else runs into it). However, I upgraded Choirs to Play since I couldn't get the NI version to work, but Wordbuilder doesn't work there. Live midi input works, but midi track playback does nothing in Nuendo 5.01 or Nuendo 4.3. Completely dead end with Choirs/Play.

Wordbuilder/Play does work in Reaper - but only the builtin Wordbuilder (inside Play now) since Reaper doesn't (afaik) support midi plugins. However, the glitch/cpu spiking is still there, so that's a Wordbuilder/Play issue.

The Kontakt version worked much better, when it worked. I could load three voices of Dyn (3-layer crossfade) Wordbuilder multis on a core2duo, but can only load under Play before it passes the 2G limit. Both systems are 32-bit, 4G ram.

kdm

08-23-2010, 05:00 PM

So, since Choirs/WB/Play won't work on my host system and EW has no solution, I ended up installing Choirs on a slave - my EWPlay Plat Strings slave. Choirs works there for the most part, and WB on the host in Nuendo triggering it works most of the time.

However, in so doing, Play now says it can't find the license for Strings. ARRRGGHH.

I call tech support - supposedly I don't have the license key on that system for Plat Plus (didn't install it since I didn't need the 16-bit versions on that slave), but the iLok has both, and iLok licenses have to match what you have on that system (not just what you run), or nothing will run under Play (or some things might stop working). Brilliant.

So the suggestion is to remove the plug license from that iLok - yeah, and put it on another iLok where? I don't have an iLok that isn't on a system running Play. $40 just to park a license because Play can't properly sort out licenses.

So I go to install Strings Plus on that system - it says another version of the product is installed. Uninstall - same response.

Play installer - if you unselect anything, it removes it, so you have to select anything you have/want to remain installed and bypass or update later (repoint to previously installed sample data, update Pace drivers, etc). Even after removing and reinstalling Strings, can't install Plus.

Still can't open Strings anymore - license terms still not found, and in addition, it blue-screens the system.

Finally run the update and can finally select strings plus and install, and both Choirs and Strings are working.

Remember, Strings worked perfectly on this slave for over a YEAR. Only when I installed Choirs did it report a license problem, and only because I had a Play license on the iLok I wasn't even using on that system!!! I also had a .key and .ewc file for Voices of Passion installed somehow, which I don't even have (and I'm careful about the updaters and until installing Choirs, hadn't updated in over a year)!!

Unbelievable. In my years of running Kontakt, Kontakt libraries have never even approached the level of problems Play creates.

Word to the wise - if you have Play libraries working, don't update, remove or add any.

TAFKAT

08-23-2010, 05:57 PM

:palm:

LEX

08-23-2010, 06:02 PM

:palm::palm:

paulwr

08-23-2010, 08:47 PM

(I bought EWQLSO Plat upgrade from Kontakt in the initial Play hype but haven't used it). Maybe when Play Pro arrives and gives us an equivalent to Kontakts Banks it will have finally be a permanent fixture in my template.

Brett

Same here. I got the Plat Play SO as an upgrade special deal when it first came out. Still on the shelf. Waiting for Play Pro as well, and a big 'we'll see' attitude.

I love Kontakt too, but it isn't without its little oddities. But at least they are small oddities.

Overall, I'm going OK with the four Play titles I have on my system, including Choirs. Haven't done the latest updates though. In a long session, things like one stereo side of the Pianos goes out, and I have to reload. And with the choirs, when I click on a note in the key edit area, the wrong note sounds. I hate that one. But the WordBuilder for Play Choirs works better than the old NI version. The accents are stronger and you can just get smoother results more quickly.

-Paul

Animus

08-23-2010, 10:47 PM

wow, PLAY seems like a real piece of shit. They make Steinberg look like competent geniuses. EastWest should have never left the Kontakt platform.

kdm

08-23-2010, 11:30 PM

EastWest should have never left the Kontakt platform.

That's exactly what I told tech support today. I would be surprised if Play will end up costing them far more in dev and support than Kontakt license fees ever would have, and I have yet to see anything of value to Play over Kontakt.

I am thinking what happened in this latest round is the update I ran a few days ago didn't give me the option to install Plat Plus and deleted the Plus key file by installing the Plat basic key instead (I know it didn't give me an option to install either Plat or Plat Plus - it just ran, and it uninstalls anything you don't select to be installed or kept). When I ran it today after uninstalling, it did give me an option.

The annoying thing is the Play updater has to install every library you have on that system everytime you update, and it doesn't seem to be overly reliable at it - at least I've had problems with it wrecking an install about 5 times now over the past year or so.

OpenMind

08-23-2010, 11:42 PM

Horrible! :palm:

I'm so glad I didn't take "advantage" of the Kontakt to Play upgrade a few years ago!
I was affraid I would get into problems when upgrading to Win7 64, but Plat Plus, Choirs and Ra are running fine! (32 bit C4) :icon_cool:

paulwr

08-24-2010, 12:27 PM

kdm

08-31-2010, 12:30 AM

Yea, some have good luck with it and use it for all their E/W titles including orchestra. As an example, John Powell posted at E/W that he uses Platinum Play for the orchestra across a three Mac Pro farm. He only uses three computers total and works at home behind a locked door!

But most composers I'm aware of in the movie and tv biz still rely on Kontakt for the orchestra.

-Paul

For me using Play was a matter of necessity simply to get what I wanted in terms of library styles. SO Platinum Play is fine for the most part, though far from perfect; SD2 and Gypsy are also fine. Choirs is a different story - no configuration, host or slave, works with it - the best I could get was under VEPro or Reaper on a slave (Play x64), but there is a bug in N5 that doesn't transmit from Wordbuilder correctly (from host to Play in the host, or Play on a slave), and even when it does, playback of a single multi is far too cpu heavy (and this on faster system than one that worked perfectly with 3x WB multis under Kontakt previously) - as far as I can tell, N5 doesn't send omni midi from midi clips (at least from Wordbuilder midi inserts), which WB requires to trigger the util parts.

Think I'm done with Play - I'm mostly a Kontakt user anyway and love the efficiency and power of Kontakt. I'll eventually transition Play elements to other options as I have time.

Sam

08-31-2010, 04:27 AM

Daryl

08-31-2010, 05:48 AM

A client of mine wants to do an arabic album and we have been looking at RA as a solution to a lot of the instrumentation he needs, but i really REALLY want to avoid PLAY - any way to get RA for kontakt still?
I would look for other options. I have Kontakt RA and at best it's mediocre. At the time I bought it there weren't so many options, but there seem to be many more these days, so i would just look around. I'm certainly looking forward to getting PLAY off my system at the end of this month.

D

Sam

08-31-2010, 06:58 AM

Any suggestions for alternatives to RA for the arabic instruments? Its only for the one project so i cant really justify thousands for something i probably will use very little of in future....

Daryl

08-31-2010, 07:06 AM

Have a look at Ethnoworld. A few of my friends have it and they say it's pretty good. However, I have never used it so I can't recommend it personally.

D

Sam

08-31-2010, 07:18 AM

Cheers Daryl - will do

Bman

08-31-2010, 07:39 AM

Hi Sam.

Like Daryl I have not used Ethnoworld but have heard great things from fellow composers. I have Kontakt RA, and it's fine but not stellar. However it has certainly been used a lot over the years here. Perhaps for your purposes though it may be little too broad if you're only after arabic sounds and so for a one off project you might be better off getting a specialised library (that is if you don't think you'll make use of the rest of the sample in the future). I did a film on China's Forbidden City a few years back and quickly realised that RA wasn't going to get me there realistically so bought a bundle from Kong Audio. Perfect and modestly priced. (That said it is so specialised that it doesn't get used much generally)

I know you're anti PLAY as was I and until recently I have left all my PLAY titles on the shelf. Imo PLAY was released 18 months too early! However, the engine is not going away and is working well enough for most, particularly for the straight forward libraries (perhaps hold off on choirs until word builder is integrated). I have no probs here with Gypsy, SD2, Fab4, SO, VOP and while I'm no fan of the PLAY interface the sounds are generally very good, particularly for the money. Kontakt is still my workhorse for reasons such as banks and the like, but perhaps PLAY pro will improve things further and make it a more viable option, not to replace Kontakt but at least to make PLAY more useful. However, if you decide that RA (or for that matter Silk) is the right library for this project I wouldn't hold off just because it's an East West PLAY title. At least in my hands the current releases are mature enough and certainly stable here. (C4.5, XP64)

Cheers - Brett

(don't forget the duduk samples in Symphobia could prove useful if you have this library)

kdm

08-31-2010, 09:50 AM

I have no probs here with Gypsy, SD2, Fab4, SO, VOP and while I'm no fan of the PLAY interface the sounds are generally very good, particularly for the money.

Yes, to be fair, the smaller libraries (and SO for the most part) do seem to be fine as basic playback libraries. Hollywood Strings gets good reviews though it really requires a multi-slave system to get the most of it, which of course increases the potential for problems given the resource loading. I only use Play as a playback engine, tweaking the basics (no internal convol reverb, no release tails on SO Plat, etc), but for me, it's a cumulation of many issues extending well into the 2.0.x releases (Choirs/WB, installation bug that rendered Play inoperable prior to the recent 2.0.21 release, panning errors in samples esp. in SO Platinum, ADSR bug that causes noise bursts, etc).

When it works, it's fine, but for me, stability is a major concern to maintain a daily workflow across multiple slaves. It just doesn't give me that confidence level for larger or more intense libraries such as Choirs with WB (which can be quite resource intensive).

Sam - Silk might work for what you need. Gypsy and SD2 do work fine here under 2.0.21, so don't take my comments as a definitive "stay away" warning - more like "user be wary".

kdm

10-04-2010, 02:05 PM

Animus

10-04-2010, 03:40 PM

Yup, I've gotten these noisebursts. Sounds like tearing metal.

LEX

10-04-2010, 05:34 PM

Yup, I've gotten these noisebursts. Sounds like tearing metal.

Eventually you won't hear it. You won't have any speakers left.

LEX

kdm

10-04-2010, 06:28 PM

Doesn't this mean Play violates OSHA standards?

LEX

10-04-2010, 07:49 PM

Doesn't this mean Play violates OSHA standards?

Probably, but I'm sure there is a line in the ELUA that says what happens on your computer is your fault, so in essence, you would be the one violating the OSHA standards.

LEX

Daryl

10-04-2010, 08:11 PM

I've wiped PLAY from both studios. i don't expect any crashes now. :icon_lol:

D

Animus

10-04-2010, 08:22 PM

I've wiped PLAY from both studios. i don't expect any crashes now. :icon_lol:

D

Don't you post over at Soundsonline? There's a "Daryl" over there at least. I thought you were a big fan?

I recently got Hollywood Strings. Love the sound! I absolutely hate PLAY though. What a worthless piece of shit. I bet Nick/Thomas/Doug all have private Kontakt versions of PLAY libs so they can actually get shit done, while they rake in the cash from us suckers buying PLAY. hehe

kdm

10-04-2010, 08:26 PM

Probably, but I'm sure there is a line in the ELUA that says what happens on your computer is your fault, so in essence, you would be the one violating the OSHA standards.

LEX

Maybe I won't pass this onto OSHA just yet. lol

I've wiped PLAY from both studios. i don't expect any crashes now. :icon_lol:

D

Smart man. Your ears and monitors will thank you.

I'm sure Hollywood Strings sounds amazing, but Andrew/Audiobro will be getting my money on my next strings purchase.

Animus

10-04-2010, 08:31 PM

Maybe I won't pass this onto OSHA just yet. lol

Smart man. Your ears and monitors will thank you.

I'm sure Hollywood Strings sounds amazing, but Andrew/Audiobro will be getting my money on my next strings purchase.

Yeah, I was close to getting LASS. I really like the expressiveness of the strings but I don't particularly care for the sound, and the tuning issue kind of bothers me.

What's really kicking ass for me right now is Hollywood Strings (pita though) layered with VSl Solo/Chamber strings. I have VSL Appasionata for sale if anyone needs it.

Daryl

10-04-2010, 08:37 PM

Don't you post over at Soundsonline? There's a "Daryl" over there at least. I thought you were a big fan?

I defy you to find a post that backs up that statement......!

D

kdm

10-04-2010, 08:38 PM

Yeah, I was close to getting LASS. I really like the expressiveness of the strings but I don't particularly care for the sound, and the tuning issue kind of bothers me.

But with HS, aren't you a bit limited to only running a few instruments at a time, at least without (or perhaps even with) SSDs, at least to take full advantage of the legatos and/or divisi? Seems like there is a rather significant tradeoff in cost to get a decent template with HS.... and it's still Play.

I simply can't/won't tolerate another noise burst, though it will have to live as is until I have time to convert everything back over to K4. I benched Omnisphere a while back while it had the same issue but that was fixed within a few months, but this has been in Play for quite a while.

Animus

10-04-2010, 08:44 PM

But with HS, aren't you a bit limited to only running a few instruments at a time, at least without (or perhaps even with) SSDs, at least to take full advantage of the legatos and/or divisi? Seems like there is a rather significant tradeoff in cost to get a decent template with HS.... and it's still Play.

I simply can't/won't tolerate another noise burst, though it will have to live as is until I have time to convert everything back over to K4. I benched Omnisphere a while back while it had the same issue but that was fixed within a few months, but this has been in Play for quite a while.

My HS template right now loads 8 gigs of keyswitching 1stViolin/2ndViolins/Celli/Bassi (with the big legatos) on a VE Pro slave off a Crucial RealSSD. Only one mic position--midtree--which is the best one anyway. I am getting decent results but PLAY is not consistent in its shittiness. One moment its working great... Working best when engine level is set to high.

Animus

10-04-2010, 08:54 PM

I defy you to find a post that backs up that statement......!

Sure. Here's a post from last week...

Doug, will you PLAY with me? I want to PLAY with you. Your most obedient gimp, Daryl.

D

:palm:

Daryl

10-05-2010, 04:45 AM

HAHAHAHAHA. I do have a few stories to tell, but not for the public forum.:smack:

D

Bman

10-25-2010, 03:17 AM

Next problem encountered a couple of times, including this morning when I least expected it - white noise bursts from Play at 0dbFS. Nearly ripped my head off and my monitors as well.
.

Aargh! I've just encountered this for the first time today, and now it's happening regularly. Mother F*****!!!! I'm seriously considering taking back the generally favourable comments I posted in this thread earlier. My ears are bleeding.

Bman

10-25-2010, 03:40 AM

Saving the Play "multi" and then re-loading finally fixed it (for now...)

michael japan

01-13-2011, 02:31 PM

kdm

01-13-2011, 02:43 PM

QtCore4.dll bug--I have it as well--I just purchased the whole composers collection and am getting the cannot find this prompt. Are you saying if I go back to an earlier version of play then it will work? I am desperate and very tired--up all night trying to find a solution to this. Also, is there a phone number for soundsonline ease west? I haven` found one.
Thanks for the help.

Try 323-957-6969 and select EW then tech support. Since it's NAMM week, might not get anyone though. I can't recall if going backwards fixed the QTCore4 bug - seems like it wasn't that simple. There was an update that fixed it - 2.0.21 I think.

I think I'm done for good with Play though. Tried the latest upgrade with integrated Wordbuilder - crashed. Also seems to have installed an older version of PACE and caused problems with ProTools and Izotope RX, so now I'll have to update PACE again to counteract it. (Pace is such a waste of time and money for paying customers).

kdm

01-22-2011, 05:17 PM

Yet another reason to skip Play:

1 - Can't save "multi" configs for a set of instruments in an instance of Play (I have 6 instances on one slave alone)
2 - While VEP can save presets and Play can recall it's instruments from those, you can't remap it to another drive

Too many developers spending all their time on flash, glitter and glitz (interesting looking GUIs in Play), but no time on basics like an option to auto remap a library if a sample is moved (or all); or a way to select and modify all instruments in an instance at once instead of one by one. Can't even multi-select to delete several at once.

Animus

02-09-2011, 08:36 PM

Classic! Looks like EastWest shills were busted again! Nick Phoenix's wife no less? http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music...ml#post6317800 (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/576816-i-m-calling-east-west-out-play-amateur-software-2.html#post6317800)

Daryl

02-10-2011, 04:45 AM

To be fair, does la Phoenix actually work for EW? If not, then she is entitled to an opinion.

As an OT anecdote I once was hauled in front of a company General Administrator for making a phone call complaint to the "opposition". Turned out it was my father who made the call. However, I still had to squirm to get out of that one.

Having said all of that, I do wish that when people harp on about hardware and software they would come clean about working for the company, or not paying for the stuff. I mean we all know that the top Hollywood geezers never pay for anything, but there are many people who get free products, and I think it would be helpful to know that. Of course it doesn't matter when we are talking about a few cheap plugs, but when the product in question costs a grand or more, a person with a vested interest should not be frightened to say so.

D

TAFKAT

02-10-2011, 09:16 AM

Classic! Looks like EastWest shills were busted again! Nick Phoenix's wife no less?

Saw that earlier as well, if this proves to be them again playing the shills , its about time Jules grew some balls and nuked them from there !!

Animus

02-10-2011, 10:03 AM

Animus

02-10-2011, 10:03 AM

Saw that earlier as well, if this proves to be them again playing the shills , its about time Jules grew some balls and nuked them from there !!

Well, EW buys banner space so draw your own conclusions.

TAFKAT

02-10-2011, 04:20 PM

Well they did delete that other thread where the shills were active and caught red handed, to the advantage of EW , so yeh, I hear ya... :-(

But if this turns out to be them again, EW have scraped thru the bottom layer.. !

TAFKAT

02-12-2011, 06:02 PM

That G.S thread is priceless.

Busted again and then comes clean and delivers a running ad.. Unbelievable.

It would be funny if it it wasn't so lame.

What is funny tho is the Lamborghini Lemon (http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/forum/messages/16033/4493.html?1083951609) thread.. LOL

Some classic quotes throughout , a few pearlers to get ya started

"For $200K+ (fully loaded) I expect this 500hp "sports" car to be able to do what my Honda van, BMW, Lexus 430 and Lotus Espirit can do easily. "

"... consumers do have rights and they picked the wrong guy to have a fight with this time "

"I have million dollar yachts, houses, businesses etc..."

"Of course I will give them an opportunity to fix it, but if they can't, I can return it under California's "lemon law" according to my Attorney"

"The dealer has to reimburse "all expenses" if the court rules in our favor, which I'm confident they will. That's the stupidity of all of this, they could have solved the issue so simply and inexpensively, and retained a customer."

"Hopefully this case will make it easier for others down the road and teach them a customer relations lesson, it sure sounds like one is overdue - that's more important to me than anything else at this stage - simpIy put, I feel cheated!!"

"There are many other Lambo owners with the same problem, and filing a lawsuit will enable us to find and depose them. A punitive damages award (triple the vehicle's value) might send a message that helps future customers."

"Thanks again for your continued interest, my only purpose of being here is to inform other potential purchasers of my experience with these two companies."

Knock, Knock, Karma Calling....

This next one killed me..

"If I ran my business that way I wouldn't be able to afford a Lambo!! ":palm:

kdm

02-12-2011, 06:16 PM

Can't say I'll ever shed a tear for these guys. Should have stuck with Kontakt. It works brilliantly and is more efficient.

I bought Choirs for $500 a few years back (Kontakt version), but Wordbuilder never worked right, so I paid for the Play upgrade last year - still didn't work. I had to buy Requiem to replace it and finish a project. Wonder if EW will give me my money back under Cali's lemon law. :-/

I even called tech support about it and told the girl I wanted my money back - she was rude and acted like she couldn't care less if it didn't work. Not even a half-hearted attempt to mouth the word "sorry". Just attitude, and more attitude.

HS sounds great, but no way I'm buying it, ever. (Also rather suspecting that it's power hungry nature has to do with inefficient programming, not size or capabilities, but just guessing....).

Bman

02-12-2011, 06:35 PM

Next problem encountered a couple of times, including this morning when I least expected it - white noise bursts from Play at 0dbFS. Nearly ripped my head off and my monitors as well.

Apparently it has been around for quite some time. This isn't the latest build, but somewhat recent - 2.0.21 on WinVistax64, running in VE Pro. It's been reported a few times on the Soundsonline forum, but so far no fix. When I have time, I'll move Platinum Orch to Kontakt. I hope to eventually replace EW libraries with LASS, VSL, SI, etc.

Enough is enough. Bugs like this one are quite simply hazardous to gear and hearing.

On a slightly different note, the above bug is supposed to be now fixed. It's the only one that still haunts me (aside from the fact PLAY is more a ROMpler than sampler and as such pales alongside Kontakt, the vapourware nature of Play Pro notwithstanding).

Haven't downloaded and tested yet though.

TAFKAT

02-12-2011, 06:38 PM

Re the Lambo not making it up the drive way, well of course he still had his Lexus and/or Lotus Esprit to fall back on to get him into the office and/or grab some groceries.

Daryl

02-12-2011, 07:56 PM

All jokes aside, it is about time that the laws were changed to make timely updates to fix bugs, that affect advertised features, compulsory. I really don't buy the argument that it would put the cost of software up to untenable prices. If it is professional software, then that doesn't matter. There would even be two categories; professional and amateur. If a developer wants to make a professional product, then it has to work. If they choose not to, then they are advertising to the world that they are really servicing the hobbyist market. Nothing wrong with that, but it would means that the people who actually need reliable software can make their choices accordingly.

D

Animus

02-12-2011, 08:34 PM

Yeah classic. I read that Lambo thread awhile back when it was talked about.

kdm

02-13-2011, 09:03 PM

I see the defenders of EW are joining that thread now. No wonder products don't improve. Too many customers build their egos out of defending developers as if that's a noble and just cause, to be rewarded with jobs scoring demos for the dev (can't think of another reason to blindly defend products with such a bad reputation).

I like Daryl's thinking. I don't know if laws should be passed to hold developers to the fire (being a former developer, it would stop 95% of developers from even trying since it isn't an exact science by any stretch of the imagination). However, customers should at least speak very loudly with their buying dollars, and read EULAs. If the license basically says "you buy it, you are stuck with it and we won't fix it if it doesn't work" then walk away, or at least demand a 100% reliability clause to put the responsibility back on developers to win customers.

Sometimes it really seems to me that in the sample library market esp., there is far too much of a naive "got to have it" mentality that believes defending developers somehow makes them seem more wise, mature, or noble. "Thank you sir! I'll have another lashing please!".

The wise consumer simply walks away and waits for the company and product to win them over to buy as a matter of necessity rather than naive obsession.

TAFKAT

02-14-2011, 01:10 AM

Definitely a bit of peach polishing going on in there... LOL

LEX

02-14-2011, 02:10 AM

Well it seems most of the users are "wannabes" anyway. Pros don't have time for problems.

Its why I walked away from Gigastudio. GS3 was a nightmare and dead before it was released.
PLAY could of had potential but it was only ever stable as a standalone for me. Could never use it reliably as a VST.

I'm all about simplifying things anymore. Too much trouble, crashing, headaches and workarounds, they are out the door.
Don't have the time to waste my time, and I'm sure kdm, Daryl and many others here don't either.

I already spend enough time working. I don't need to spend what little spare time I have trying to figure out why things don't work, find and report bugs to software companies.
There are a few companies who are willing to look into problems and work to find a solution.

NI and AVID are two that I'm really for and have had great experiences with on the users side and bug reporting side.
NI has really turned themselves around.

Golf clap for NI!

LEX