Metronome

[messianic]

Hi all,

I notice the metronome comes out the same speakers as the sounds being generated via VST's etc but that I can't record it to a file along with all my other sounds?

Is this intentional? Why this limitation?

[TerryG]

Depending on your sound card utility (Totalmix, etc), and your choice of how you set up the metronome (to trigger audio samples of a kick and snare; to trigger a midi drum machine; etc.), there are creative methods for routing to record the beats as audio.

[messianic]

Thanks, I guess what I'm asking for is to be able to record the metronome that cubase generates with the software.

I don't know if anyone else has ever needed or wanted to do that and in my case I'd be happy with a simple beep.

Also, Terry since you have reponded would you be aware of a condition whereby when cycling between two locator points, with the left one at the start that when coming back to the beginning the hi-pitched tone is "muted".

I'm not sure if this happens when using other sounds in place of the standard metromone but it's quite disconcerting. Of course I can try other sounds but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a simple metronome in the first place and besides if the standard metronome has these issues I describe then wouldn't they be present in any other situtation as well?

I acknowledge that I have programmed time signature changes as well as tempo but it can even happen with typical 4/4 at 120BPM and is rather intermittent. I think it might have something to do with the fact that it (the program) is expecting to go to the next bar and then it's thrust back to the start and doesn't know which one to reproduce.

Often this can happen when moving the timeline to different places in a piece of music outside the cycled section and back into it again but it's quite unreliable so I'm assuming that using another sound won't really help and the condition is more to do with MIDI than any thing else.

Thanks again for replying

[TerryG]

You can record the internal click by activating Control Room and the CLIK and routing the signal out of your CR send and back into a stereo input audio channel.
Unles your soundcard utility software allows some kind of internal monitoring & routing matrix capability, you'll need to physically route the cables from CR outputs to Audio inputs and record the results.

As long as your cycling between quantized segments, you shouldn't have any glitches in the metronome sounds. The software doesn't "expect" to continue, it does what you tell it to do. I can't imagine an issue with glitches unless loop points are creating a conflict based on their proximity to your grid and quantization settings... maybe in a mode where loop points aren't matching up to rational fixed beat points ... like the 127th segment of 1/128th triplet (?)

[messianic]

Hi Terry,

You'd be right about the 127th segment that's most likely what it is so I need to be careful there.

I must say I don't have the control room feature as I'm using CS4 but in which case are you saying just map it to a VST and then send it along with all the other audio signals?

I know it probably sounds sillly wanting to hear the metronome in a stereo mix but that's exactly what I need for performance.

In VST Connections there is "click" but it only goes to stereo and not out of any of the VST busses and I'm supposing if it did then that would solve my problem.

Thanks again and kind regards

[Zenda]

I'm not sure if this happens when using other sounds in place of the standard metromone but it's quite disconcerting. Of course I can try other sounds but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a simple metronome in the first place and besides if the standard metronome has these issues I describe then wouldn't they be present in any other situtation as well?



Hi ... I see your logic. I'd try it out anyway. When I am cycling, then first notes of MIDI parts are still playing so I reckon the 'use a sample' workaround wukk work.

I do concur that it is a shame that there has to be a problem in the first place.

All the best
Glyn

[TerryG]

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I must say I don't have the control room feature as I'm using CS4 but in which case are you saying just map it to a VST and then send it along with all the other audio signals?

I know it probably sounds sillly wanting to hear the metronome in a stereo mix but that's exactly what I need for performance.

In VST Connections there is "click" but it only goes to stereo and not out of any of the VST busses and I'm supposing if it did then that would solve my problem.

The basic point is that if you hear a click, it's coming out of your computer audio card. So, route that output back into your soundcard input and record it. Then, you can disable the internal click and have an audio track version to play along to. From everything I can gather, this will give you what you want.

[messianic]

Hi Terry,

I do understand what you are saying and thank you for educating me on this point, it's always appreciated those who have a "deeper knowledge" of the program no matter in which forum they reside.

So back to the issue at hand, do you think it will ever be possible to simply route the metronome out of the software via ASIO along with any arbitrary VST Connection or would this require fundamental reworking of the application for something which arguably is so simple that it may not even be worth it to even try and impose on the outputs in this way.

Thanks again

P.S. I do have a hardware mixer but again it kind of defeats the purpose of what I'm saying.

[TerryG]

Well, first you wanted to record the click track to play along with it.
I provided info on how to accomplish that.

Now, you want to change the issue, to theorize on why you can't just record the internal click within the program. The only retort gained here is more theorization on why the guys writing the app probably thought it was unwarranted since it can be done using the method I've already outlined.

As much as we'd like to, we can't rewrite the code here.
At this point, with this issue, it doesn't really matter.

Record your click, and go make music.

[messianic]

Hi Terry,

Sorry if you see me as being rhetorical in some way, it is certainly not my intention as I believe this forum is for users to have a voice about how the programs they use might be improved.

Anyway, as I am always changing tempo and time signature quite often in order to compose music, what you have suggested would seem rather inconvenient, however it is a "workaround" nonetheless so in that capacity I will accede to your suggestions.

Thanks again for your time

[TerryG]

Hi Terry,

Sorry if you see me as being rhetorical in some way, it is certainly not my intention as I believe this forum is for users to have a voice about how the programs they use might be improved.

Anyway, as I am always changing tempo and time signature quite often in order to compose music, what you have suggested would seem rather inconvenient, however it is a "workaround" nonetheless so in that capacity I will accede to your suggestions.

Thanks again for your time
Rhetoric to excuse rhetoric... priceless.

[D]

it might SEEM interesting to discuss how a program might be improved, even if it is entirely pointless because the dickheads at SB won't listen, nor would they care if they did.

[messianic]

they (SB) might listen, who knows if it suits them they will for sure