iPad Apps

[Martini]

look what I've found. I wonder if it supports Mackie protocol.
I hope Euphonix will make an Eucon app...

Saitara Software (http://www.saitarasoftware.com/Site/AC-7_Pro.html)
http://createdigitalmusic.com/images/2010/03/ac7pro.jpg
bigger picture (http://saitarasoftware.com/promosmall.png)

[Animus]

Yeah it's Mackie protocol.

[leggy]

I suppose you saw this too http://www.midipad.de/midipad/midipad_welcome.html
Actually after initially being disappointed in the lack of certain features I'm now getting rather excited about the ipad just because of apps like this. No doubt there are going to be a lot of cool music related apps released over the coming year.

Rob

[Jonesy]

The iPad is going to take off. The reason is that the developers kit is so accessible and relatively easy to build apps with. I would bet that it will become the device of choice for stock control, inventory in warehouses and portable POS in shops. I have friends who got right onto it and are pre-designing their own customised applications, one for door/guest control at a club, another in a retail shop. Companies can produce a customised department and company-specific application easily and cheaply in-house, so with wi-fi and Bluetooth the business applications for a thin, portable large touch screen interface are staggering. For example, car salesmen can carry one around the lot and pull up stock, options, colours without going looking for papers back in the office. We will be making an app for customer clothing measurements in our stores. You do not want a full PC for this, you want exactly what the iPad is - an easily customisable radio enabled touch surface that you can give to an employee for a specific job. This is why the notion that "it's not a full PC, it only runs it's own apps" argument falls down.

Apple will corner this market in my opinion for 3 reasons - Firstly they got there first. Secondly there is already a huge range of apps out there, and there will be thousands of developers looking at this unit, and thirdly and most importantly, companies can build their own custom apps easily and quickly, which has never been available in the past.

If you stop looking at the iPad as a consumer toy and look it as a business device, I would say that the fact that it is not a full PC that runs the usual applications is in fact an advantage. Finally businesses can afford their own applications with nice graphics instead of dealing with makeshift setups in Excel and Filemaker.

[kdm]

I just want a programmable key/macro command app with graphic icons for each button. Even just half of the smart-key concept of an MCPro.

[Animus]

I just want a programmable key/macro command app with graphic icons for each button. Even just half of the smart-key concept of an MCPro.


That would be the MC Control.

[Rome]

This is just the beginning. From what I've seen lately there are some great remote appz on the way with deep integration into Sonar, Reaper and maybe other DAWs. There are endless possibillities in there.

Too bad Steinberg refuses to give away their control surface SDK to normal developers. As a result people will be limited to MCU or other ancient protocols with Cubendo for a long time.

:sleeping:

[TerryG]

hmmm... so let me see...

buy an iPad w/3G wi-fi ($629 to $829) - check
buy AT&T 3G wireless service indefinitely - check
buy iPad software and updates indefinitely - check

or...

Start a company with a business model built on creating an array of fad-based lifestyle technology devices that all require a fairly expensive buy-in with monthly fees for the rest of eternity.... oops, that's already been done.

Sorry, but this type of thing triggers my gag reflex.
Especially when existing devices/technology gets the job done while only lacking the "fresh new toy smell"....

Can you imagine what would happen to modern society if there was a three-day blackout?
People would be forced to talk to each other... once they got over the fear of leaving their homes. :wink:

[Thonex]

hmmm... so let me see...

buy an iPad w/3G wi-fi ($629 to $829) - check
buy AT&T 3G wireless service indefinitely - check
buy iPad software and updates indefinitely - check

or...

Start a company with a business model built on creating an array of fad-based lifestyle technology devices that all require a fairly expensive buy-in with monthly fees for the rest of eternity.... oops, that's already been done.

Sorry, but this type of thing triggers my gag reflex.
Especially when existing devices/technology gets the job done while only lacking the "fresh new toy smell"....

Can you imagine what would happen to modern society if there was a three-day blackout?
People would be forced to talk to each other... once they got over the fear of leaving their homes. :wink:

Or buy a $2000 control surface that will go out of business because of a lack of user base ;)

AK

[TAFKAT]

Just thinking out loud here...

The first thing I do on any Notebook that is being configured for audio use is disable the wireless networking, as it causes huge DPC latency spikes resulting in clicks , pops , and gapped audio recordings, so personally I couldn't care less what they roll out for this thing unless it can be hard wired - which then defeats the purpose.

As Steve ( Jones) noted, there are plenty of areas where this thing can and no doubt will make an impact, but I have my reservations for serious audio work..

[colony nofi]

I'm going to byte.... (groan - sorry)


hmmm... so let me see...

buy an iPad w/3G wi-fi ($629 to $829) - check

Or just a wifi one... I think most of the really interesting applications for this machine can do without the 3g service.
My partner works as an occupational therapist with kids with autism and the like.
This little pad (and the easy programming of it by developers) has already sparked much development in accessibility items that were previously $10000+ (some MUCH more) to do exactly the same thing. Why? Purpose built devices cost tonnes in R&D - especially on the hardware side. They began with ipod touch apps - but a simple thing like a larger touch screen opens it up to LOADS more clients.
Here, the hardware has been developed for you - by perfectionists. I think perhaps if you side with the geeks and like total control over a device, the ipad is not for you. For others, it is quite exciting.


buy AT&T 3G wireless service indefinitely - check

Not necessary. Get a non 3g model. :) And if you do get the 3g model, you can choose month to month if you use the 3g.
And I'm sure someone soon will find out a way to tether your data from phone to it - if you like tinkering with systems.

buy iPad software and updates indefinitely - check

This is only for major OS upgrades - which seem to come once a year, and on ipod touch, have been $10 (its the same o/s afterall) - hardly a large price to pay for ADDING functionality.... Its not as if the device won't work if you don't do it either!


or...

Start a company with a business model built on creating an array of fad-based lifestyle technology devices that all require a fairly expensive buy-in with monthly fees for the rest of eternity.... oops, that's already been done.



Ah - but the interesting thing here is that they have managed to combine societies love of a "fad" with a product that will enable (some completely new) interactions, applications and possibilities to many people, industries etc.
Every company who makes a product wants to be profitable. The fruity boys seem to have found a way to do that.

As for expensive buy in - i don't buy that. (again, sorry!) The $ for such a product (in this instance) I think is worth it. Just look at the JooJoo for the alternative....


Sorry, but this type of thing triggers my gag reflex.
Especially when existing devices/technology gets the job done while only lacking the "fresh new toy smell"....

But this is the thing. Where existing technology exists in this product base, it either
(a) does so in a larger, clunkier form factor (touch screen computers are used by doctors in hospitals all the time now. the ipad is MUCH easier to carry around - and its form factor makes SENSE in this instance. Far far lighter....)
(b) does not have multi touch capabilities. One of the really interesting parts to this. Especially if you are interested in exploring new paradigms. (Anyone want to help me develop a reactable like device by linking a few of these? reactable = $10k....)
(c) does one thing, and one thing well. Great, so lets use MORE reseources so everyone uses 5 different pieces of technology to do 5 different tasks, rather than a single device that can do most of them well enough.
(d) has woeful user experiences for people who do not like to "tinker" or "get under the hood" like so many of us DAW users. User experience is key for devices like this to be successful.
I could go on.
I completely agree that apple have their marketing machine working overtime. (Hell, half the net IS their marketing machine!) I don't like it much either, but I don't blame them for it. They're clever for manipulating the market in that direction.


Can you imagine what would happen to modern society if there was a three-day blackout?
People would be forced to talk to each other... once they got over the fear of leaving their homes.
Apple doesn't have THAT much of a hold on the world.... yet ;)

I say to euphonix loudly. Get. On. Board. I use an mc control - which is deeply flawed. Give me an MC mix + ipad any day (for a much cheaper, but better solution. The touch screen is AWFUL!)
Yes - give us an MCPro like set of functionality. If euphonix don't do it, someone else will/

Rant off. Cheers all. Brendan.

[Jonesy]

Just thinking out loud here...

The first thing I do on any Notebook that is being configured for audio use is disable the wireless networking, as it causes huge DPC latency spikes resulting in clicks , pops , and gapped audio recordings, so personally I couldn't care less what they roll out for this thing unless it can be hard wired - which then defeats the purpose.

As Steve ( Jones) noted, there are plenty of areas where this thing can and no doubt will make an impact, but I have my reservations for serious audio work..

That would be a bummer, that Saitara app looks great, it would be fantastic if it did work to a spec that would make it useful in a control room. Time will tell, I see your point Vin.

[Jonesy]

hmmm... so let me see...

buy an iPad w/3G wi-fi ($629 to $829) - check
buy AT&T 3G wireless service indefinitely - check
buy iPad software and updates indefinitely - check

or...

Start a company with a business model built on creating an array of fad-based lifestyle technology devices that all require a fairly expensive buy-in with monthly fees for the rest of eternity.... oops, that's already been done.

Sorry, but this type of thing triggers my gag reflex.
Especially when existing devices/technology gets the job done while only lacking the "fresh new toy smell"....

Can you imagine what would happen to modern society if there was a three-day blackout?
People would be forced to talk to each other... once they got over the fear of leaving their homes. :wink:

All of the business applications that I mentioned are very specifically for local network situations, so pointless buying a 3G version for the vast majority of stock /inventory/guest uses. I was pointing out the potential for use within a building or complex with it's own LAN.

[TerryG]

I suppose my comment should have been prefaced with something relating to Vin's comment... you know... audio related... as I sit here on my wireless laptop watching the DPC spike into the red every 8 to 15 seconds.

Plenty of reasons can be found to justify the expense of this device in certain businesses... but most will be sucked in simply because it's a new toy and we are collectively manipulated by marketing like Pavlov's dog.

[Animus]

Couldn't you just tunnel in through a wireless router and forego the need to enable wifi on the audio pc?

[TAFKAT]

Couldn't you just tunnel in through a wireless router and forego the need to enable wifi on the audio pc?

Hmm, thats an idea .. :-)

[Animus]

My thoughts on the iPad for DAW use.....sort of like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ&sref=http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/479048-ipad-daw-controller-2.html

[TerryG]

My thoughts on the iPad for DAW use.....sort of like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ&sref=http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/479048-ipad-daw-controller-2.html

LMAO!

The world of the world of the artist formerly known as Animus in the world of Nuendo using Nuendo to do what Nuendo does in an environment unsuitable for actual Nuendo use!

Brilliant!!! :D

[Livewire]

I look forward to using touch osc on an ipad for a giant touch sensitive surround panner..... It would have been awesome for the latest job I've been doing win 12 surround channels....

[Jonesy]

This looks like a bit of fun....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqlX5N9-Bw4&feature=player_embedded#

[Dave P]

Even more fun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCEaa4q4ibA

:icon_twisted:

[TAFKAT]

Hard to tell who the bigger idiots are..

The idiots who camped out so that they can get all wet over being the first to have one , or these idiots who bought one simply to smash it.. ?

I place all in the "Get a Life" category ..

[MattiasNYC]

Not sure I see any large deployment of these into industries for inventory duty. They've already had devices that are tried and true for years.

Secondly, I really don't think Macs are all that when it comes to reliability, especially the non-pro portable stuff. Among my friends iPods, iPhones and laptops there has been so many failures I've lost count. If you're a serious business person and want reliability and longevity I think you'd be better off buying something like an IBM or so, built like tanks. Of course, when you're hanging out with your cool friends you won't be able to impress, which is a problem of course....

As for audio apps, I think it's a bit silly to see the hype over it since it has exactly the same problem the Lemur has - lack of tactile feedback. While it's cool to be able to boot up some synth in a hotel room and perhaps play a bit, I'd say it's pretty useless from a professional standpoint. Same with a mixer app.

I will say this though: I'd definitely consider using it as a portable touch screen device to send key commands and macros to a main workstation. For that purpose I think it would be great, albeit of course somewhat pricey.

[LEX]

Not sure I see any large deployment of these into industries for inventory duty. They've already had devices that are tried and true for years.

Secondly, I really don't think Macs are all that when it comes to reliability, especially the non-pro portable stuff. Among my friends iPods, iPhones and laptops there has been so many failures I've lost count. If you're a serious business person and want reliability and longevity I think you'd be better off buying something like an IBM or so, built like tanks. Of course, when you're hanging out with your cool friends you won't be able to impress, which is a problem of course....

As for audio apps, I think it's a bit silly to see the hype over it since it has exactly the same problem the Lemur has - lack of tactile feedback. While it's cool to be able to boot up some synth in a hotel room and perhaps play a bit, I'd say it's pretty useless from a professional standpoint. Same with a mixer app.

I will say this though: I'd definitely consider using it as a portable touch screen device to send key commands and macros to a main workstation. For that purpose I think it would be great, albeit of course somewhat pricey.

Key commands, macros ect via wireless would be cool. But that might be over kill too.

LEX

[kdm]

Key commands, macros ect via wireless would be cool. But that might be over kill too.

LEX

It would be very cool - esp. being able to customize the screen, buttons and have multiple layouts. I would probably go for that. It would be better if iPad apps could also worked via USB, but no go.
Also no really interesting or useful macro apps for the i-series so far (the only decent one only works on Mac). I liked the idea at first, but on second thought, I'll wait for a non-Apple USB-based alternative.

[Jonesy]

Hard to tell who the bigger idiots are..

The idiots who camped out so that they can get all wet over being the first to have one , or these idiots who bought one simply to smash it.. ?

I place all in the "Get a Life" category ..

I have to agree on both counts... I wonder which shop they jacked it from?

[MattiasNYC]

Wait, it doesn't have USB?......

What type of connectivity does it have then?

[kdm]

Wait, it doesn't have USB?......

What type of connectivity does it have then?

USB is only for syncing with iTunes and power/charging on my iPod Touch - I assume the iPad is the same - i.e. no way to function as a smart/storage device outside of iTunes. Windows sees my iPod as a storage device, but only sees memory outside of the device's OS, used memory and hence any apps' ability to access it (I have a pdf reader, but can't copy docs to the iPod - they have to be transferred by email or web download via wireless). The macro/key command apps I found only work via wireless - no drivers/functionality via USB.

[LEX]

Long list of shortcomings with the iPad:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100405/sc_livescience/13glaringipadshortcomings

LEX

[MattiasNYC]

Thanks for the list Lex;

NO MULTITASKING!!! You gotta be kiddin' me!!!....

[kdm]

Visual scaling of apps is one I was wondering about. I'm guessing the number of devs willing to design graphics for two different display sizes is very small. Apple was probably counting on new apps being developed just for the iPad. That will probably be a small list compared to the iPhone/iTouch. Not long before the iPad becomes a big, wobbly iCoaster.

[Jonesy]

Not long before the iPad becomes a big, wobbly iCoaster.

Maybe.... But of course there is an endless list of "what it cannot do", same as the iPhone. Doesn't stop the iPhone selling in massive numbers, because they are bought by people who find uses for what it CAN do. The iPad will be the same I suspect.

[TAFKAT]

iPad Dissected Here (http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-FCC-Teardown/2197/1)

[kdm]

So I finally found a use for the iPad - catalog viewer (http://www.sweetwater.com/progeardirectory/spring2010/download.php). Now instead of tossing a pile of catalogs in the recycling bin, you can just dump your iPad with thousands of them in it, all at once. Lighter, easier to throw, and it makes a cool shattering noise when it hits the ground too. ;-)