nice studio being built

[Animus]

http://www.manifoldrecording.com/connect.php

This is being built basically in my backyard. Awesome looking.

[paulwr]

This is serious and they are actually going to complete this in 2010? I may have to pay a visit. Nashville isn't that far from there. At first, I thought it was just someone playing too much with their drafting program and it wasn't real!

-Paul

[kdm]

Isn't that in Charlotte? Seems like I saw a post on GS about it close to a year or so ago. Been in the works for a while it seems.

[Animus]

It's real. There's a studio build blog with pictures. They are starting to frame the inside already. It's located right outside Chapel Hill. I could be there in under 30 minutes.

Looks like an advocate project of a head guy at RedHat named Michael Tiemann.

[ROCKINROG]

This is going to be an awesome place. I love his 3D CAD work. Fantastic job. I wonder if they need someone to wire it. :D

[Animus]

message him. I have been talking to him via PM and he is pretty cool. I am going to get a tour of the place at some point.

[Animus]

I asked the owner about an rate estimate. He said they are thinking something around a 2k USD day rate. lol Did we time warp back to the 80's?

[kdm]

I asked the owner about an rate estimate. He said they are thinking something around a 2k USD day rate. lol Did we time warp back to the 80's?

Since Chapel Hill is a hotbed of high end recording, they will be booked years in advance (cough cough).

I used to live in Raleigh/NC and know the area (though maybe it's changed?). Most people around there that I know go to Nashville and pay more like $500-$800/day for great studios with quite a bit of label experience behind them. Unless he hires some serious engineers or hard sells some high budgeted clients, it will sit idle 90% of the time. No local/indie will book at $2k/day with no reputation and no historical vibe to offer.

Hey, if you have the money to burn, the studio doesn't have to make money. Not a great business model to draw quality staffing though. An expensive building just doesn't cut it anymore.

[Animus]

He said he has already hired a "name" engineer which will be announced soon.

But yeah, I was gung ho about this until I heard the price. Needless to say I won't be going in this studio. I estimate it would take me about 3 days to mix and I ain't paying 6k. I'd rather just mix it in Nuendo or go to Nashville if I wanted to do it on a analog console.

Though, I think he is going to try and offset Manifold side with the whole Miraverse idea. Seems like a cool idea in theory.

[kdm]

Sounds a bit nebulous from the site info at least. There have been many variations on the artist-development/education/"for the art" theme of for years that never took off. Hard to make up $2k/day with a lower budget model, but I wish them luck.

[ROCKINROG]

I asked the owner about an rate estimate. He said they are thinking something around a 2k USD day rate. lol Did we time warp back to the 80's?

.....and this is why the big ones in New York went bust. The labels just won't pay extreme amounts of money anymore nor will anyone with half a brain. :wink: The only big one we have here in Toronto is Metalworks and Gil Moore had to be creative and get a school going in there to get income coming in year round.

http://www.metalworksstudios.com/

[kdm]

.....and this is why the big ones in New York went bust. The labels just won't pay extreme amounts of money anymore nor will anyone with half a brain. :wink: The only big one we have here in Toronto is Metalworks and Gil Moore had to be creative and get a school going in there to get income coming in year round.

http://www.metalworksstudios.com/

Where are all of the students from these programs, Full Sail, MI in LA, etc going to work? The whole industry's model is fatally flawed imho, but that's not saying I have any brilliant ideas. lol.

[Animus]

.....and this is why the big ones in New York went bust. The labels just won't pay extreme amounts of money anymore nor will anyone with half a brain. :wink: The only big one we have here in Toronto is Metalworks and Gil Moore had to be creative and get a school going in there to get income coming in year round.

http://www.metalworksstudios.com/

damn, that's a nice studio too. 6 rooms.

[ROCKINROG]

It's a killer studio. It was originally built for Triumph to rehearse and record in and slowly got a name for itself and became semi-commercial but when Triumph split up Gil Moore (the drummer) took it over full time. The reason they are still going strong is they diversified as the times changed. They have the production company, the school along with the studios that do post,sound for film,audio tracking and mixing,mastering, DVD Authoring and animation. It's won the best studio award from 1998-2008. He also caters alot to the independent market. It's the best one around here as far as I'm concerned. My good friend Roger Ginsley does alot of the repairs and refurbishing of the Neve and SSL consoles and old Studer tape machines there.

[ROCKINROG]

Where are all of the students from these programs, Full Sail, MI in LA, etc going to work? The whole industry's model is fatally flawed imho, but that's not saying I have any brilliant ideas. lol.

There are way too many schools for this stuff and they will all end up being button pushers at some broadcast station. I went to Trebas Institute For The Recording Arts in around '92 and even then I thought it was just a revolving door to bring in easy money from Gov't grants and loans. I was fortunate enough to get into the maintenance side of it because one of my teachers was working at Sounds Interchange/DAVE TV and my buddy and I started with rebuilding old consoles and Studer tape machines for free that were being sold, and it all went from there. I was not interested in being a coffee boy or being a freelance Audio Engineer with very little pay. I was looking for a job with good money which is why I chose to wire studios and broadcast stations.