J-Bridge

[Daryl]

I know that some of you are getting great success with J-Bridge, so I'm thinking of giving it another whirl. Just a couple of questions though:

1) Can you have both normal and Bridged versions of the same plugs in a Project?
2) Does the Bridged plug use the GUI resources of the host or does it have its own resources.

I'm finally running out of memory using (no VSTi) during a mix session, as whenever I get close to 3.2GB Nuendo complains and refuses to show the GUI of any plug. it also fails to load the impulses for Altiverb, which seems to be the biggest memory and GUI hog. Why on earth we have to have all those silly pictures. I wish I could disable them......

Anyway, thanks for any replies.

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[Vinark]

1 Yes but it's not easy, cubendo will only display 1 plugin with the same name and also looks at internal naming (in the dll). If you rename it within the first 8 or 6 characters it seems to work. I have for example Kontakt 3 (original) and Kontakt3 (jbridge) and BFD2 and 2BFD. On the other hand If you just have the jbridged version with the original name, old projects will now load into Jbridge automaticly.
2 yes and every plugin in a single auxhost instance.

[Daryl]

Thanks for that info. I think I may give it a go after this project is over, as I don't see myself moving over to the 64bit version of Nuendo anytime soon.

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[Daryl]

OK, so I've got it all working now. I am bridging out Altiverb, as this seems to use the most memory. I have managed to shrink the Nuendo session by around 1.5GB....! The only downside is that for each instance of the plug (as they all now their own memory) Altiverb does the "scanning IR folder" dance. Maybe version 6 doesn't do this, so perhaps I should upgrade. I'm just loath to lose functionality that I paid for. However, I digress.

I spent a bi of time yesterday messing around with J-Bridge and plugs, and it seems to work very well, unlike when I tried it previously. However, the only notable exception that didn't work was PLAY. Have any of you guys managed to get it to work with PLAY? I would be interested to know, because PLAY is causing GUI problems in VE Pro, and that's exactly the problem (before it crashed) that I was having with J-Bridge. If there is something hinky about the coding of the PLAY GUI, and there are two applications where it doesn't "work fine", it might actually make them do something to improve it.

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[TAFKAT]

I'm finally running out of memory using (no VSTi) during a mix session, as whenever I get close to 3.2GB Nuendo complains and refuses to show the GUI of any plug.

Wow, is that crap still happening.., I reported missing Plugin GUI's and Windows skin elements over 4 years ago, mind you mine wasn't directly memory related, more so number of plugs before Nuendo refused to assign any resources to rendering the GUI.

Mind you on trying to do a screen cap , I would get an error message that the system did not have enough memory resources to complete the task , despite the fact that the total memory usage was only 700 MB of the available 3 GB.

Something seriously screwy still floating around under the bonnet there... :-(

[Daryl]

I think that there is and there isn't some correlation between memory used and GUI resources available. It seems that some plugs use far more GUI resources than are necessary. I think that Altiverb is a big offender here, as it is uses all those stupid unnecessary graphics. I guess that this is what happens when you port a Mac program over to PC. :icon_lol:

However, just so you know when the problem occurred, my mix session was using:

31 Altiverb
90 Oxford EQ
6 Oxford Dynamics
1 PSP Mixpressor
1 PSP Stereo Controller

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[Animus]

I get missing plugin guis all the time even with memory resources left.

[Beat Productions]

Forgive my ignorance, but why 31 altiverbs/

I think that there is and there isn't some correlation between memory used and GUI resources available. It seems that some plugs use far more GUI resources than are necessary. I think that Altiverb is a big offender here, as it is uses all those stupid unnecessary graphics. I guess that this is what happens when you port a Mac program over to PC. :icon_lol:

However, just so you know when the problem occurred, my mix session was using:

31 Altiverb
90 Oxford EQ
6 Oxford Dynamics
1 PSP Mixpressor
1 PSP Stereo Controller

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[Daryl]

Forgive my ignorance, but why 31 altiverbs/
They are being used as inserts with stage positioning on Group channels.

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[paulwr]

I couldn't get Play to work at all in 32bit land in Cubase 3.1, jBridged or just as vsti inside Cubase. Now on Cubase 5 64bit and Play runs solid within Cubase, though I don't run it there. I'm using Bidule on all the slaves and in the DAW to feed the template to C5. And then any custom synths/different non-template sounds I'll run in Cubase. Like you, I like the ability to quickly change projects when needed.

31 Altiverb seems high...... not using sends at all?

I'll have to post about Cubase 5. Some things I love, some new broken stuff that slows me down, and such simple stuff at least from the user viewpoint. Oh well.......

-Paul

[TAFKAT]

I get missing plugin guis all the time even with memory resources left.

I think it has to do with Cubendo specifically running out of resources assigned to the GUI of the plugins, so from experience is it is more to do with the number of plugins.

Sorry for the shift of focus guys.., as you were.. :wink:

[musicpete]

The only downside is that for each instance of the plug (as they all now their own memory) Altiverb does the "scanning IR folder" dance. Maybe version 6 doesn't do this, so perhaps I should upgrade.
Sorry for the bad news, but AV6 still does this. Man, it annoys me to no end with only 3-5 instances. I can't even begin to imagine how insane it would turn me with 90 instances...

[Daryl]

31 Altiverb seems high...... not using sends at all?

-Paul
3 of the Altiverbs are fed from sends and I use a Bricasti as well. Yes, I could do it with less, but I don't have to and I think it sounds better this way.

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[blob]

I have the Play engine jBridged both in XP32 and XP64working like a charm.
I,ve been in contact with the developer, since I was getting opcode13 error all the time with heavy GUI plus, like Kontakt.
For PLAY:
most important, switch on "Dnt allow host to controll plugin when disabled" or something similar. Sorry, studio pc is off now. PLAY has got issues with screen redraw, and this setting seems to work on all studio PCs.
2nd, switch on"dirty close".
any other option should be disabled, at least on my machines.
The only thing which bothers me is that PLAY likes to hang notes when using pedal, might be PLAYs internal problem, have to investigate more.

Hope this helps.
regards

[Daryl]

For PLAY:
most important, switch on "Dnt allow host to controll plugin when disabled" or something similar. Sorry, studio pc is off now. PLAY has got issues with screen redraw, and this setting seems to work on all studio PCs.
2nd, switch on"dirty close".
any other option should be disabled, at least on my machines.
The only thing which bothers me is that PLAY likes to hang notes when using pedal, might be PLAYs internal problem, have to investigate more.

Hope this helps.
regards
Thanks, I'll try that when I have some down time.

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[inphazeaudio]

Hello group,
had a Q: how in C5, do you "replace" the VST bridge with Jbridge.. I installed Jbridge but when projects loads i get an error for each plugin that the "VST brigde" can't load the plug.. any ideas.
system in Question, Win7/64, Cubase 64, thanks

[musicpete]

The procedure is described in detail in the manual. You did read the manual, did you? ;)

And how exactely did you "install" jbridge? Executing the installer is only the first step in the "installation".

[paulwr]

I run it just fine with C5 64bit and W7 x64. Really, just follow the simple directions. Create a different folder for the jBridged created vst(i)s to resided. Most all will work. A few may not. Then they will appear as options along side your other plugs and vsti's in your insert and vsti rack sections.

-Paul

[Thonex]

Thanks for all this info guys.... trying to install JBridge in my N4 32 bit on a Win 7 64 bit machine.... we'll see.

Cheers,

Andrew K