Studio One Demo

[kdm]

Seems the Studio One demo is out via public beta(?) and 30 day limit (no save, record to disk, etc).

So far, it has serious graphic issues on my system that seem tied to the browser window (can't resize or maximize without complete GUI corruption).

Otherwise, it's pretty cool for a first release and for some new concepts in workflow. You can maximize (at least theoretically if the graphics issue is fixed, or doesn't happen) the main window, and the mixer/console on separate monitors - key commands access editor, console, browser, etc - cool.

If you have the same plugin on multiple channels, you can open one instance, then simply select the another channel and that instance shows that channel's instance in the same window - very nice.

Fade/crossfade curves have a single bezier point in the center for adjusting exp/log curves. Separate edit window easily opened from key command/button.

Dockable/undockable windows, etc.

The included plugins seem to be good. The multiband comp has a few additions over others (relative change for "all" adjustment - change threshold and all bands change relative to their own settings).

Only had a few minutes with it before leaving the studio tonight. Check the thread under "new products" on GS for info on the demo, if it isn't on their website.

[TAFKAT]

Hey Dedric,

I have just registered and downloaded the demo here..

Heres what I don't get , they have gone to great pains to ensure you register and activate the 30 day demo, but at the same time crippled it by not being able to save or bounce.

WTF is the point of jumping thru all of the hoops to have to register and authorise the software to specific system ID's , when its crippled. ?

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just give us a full working copy for 30 days ?

:willy_nilly:

[kdm]

I didn't understand their thinking there either.

Oh, fwiw, I got a disk/windows chkdsk error saying the project (or maybe it was the app file?) was corrupt. Not sure what that was about. Could be something to watch out for.

[RiffWraith]

Hmmm

Can't seem to add a MIDI track. Audio track yes - MIDI track no. In fact, MIDI track has one entrie in the entire manual. :eusa_think:

Dedric, you say the windows are dockable? How? I searched the manual for dock and dockable, nada.

Can you edit the Key Commands? I can't; nothing happens. But I get no message saying that it is disabled in the demo version, as I do with other things.

Nice GUI, I must say.

Seems like it can do some of the stuff that Cubendo can, but just looking at the menus, it is apparent that SOne is a loooong way off from competing.

[D]

I am in VST limbo right now, waiting for them to be analyzed and loaded...

Waiting for X-Treme FX...

...

...

POOF!

Shit...it already poofed on me....it does not like V-Station.

Poofed again!

Started a new project...can't say I like this at all yet.

It does check VSTs much faster than existing apps.

FAIL.

No sale.

[kdm]

Dedric, you say the windows are dockable? How? I searched the manual for dock and dockable, nada.


Not in front of it atm, but as I recall, there is a little icon, or set of icons in the upper left corner of the console - or maybe an arrow/drop down menu. I tend to click on every little icon in a new GUI just to see what might be there.

I know the console/mixer is dockable/undockable.

I had the same reaction - looks cool, some nice ideas, but pretty far behind Cubase/Nuendo in a lot of areas.

[TAFKAT]

There is a bit of chatter at G.S which indicates that Presonus are thinking of changing the non save status of the demo.

I really couldn't even be bothered loading it to be honest without being able to save.

Having to rebuild my test session everytime I want to do some basic testing, or more thorough comparable low latency / realtime / scaling / performance tests is not high on my priority list.

What I find disappointing is how quickly really obvious issues are being found and reported, that the BETA team missed . You really have to wonder who they enlisted to BETA this thing..

BTW: It has no QT support, so there goes a huge % of the composer market.. !!

[shanabit]

Ive been all through the app trying to get a MIDI track so I can trigger my boards sound. Instrument tracks are there but with no way to alter the midi output, Im stumped??? Anyone?

[RiffWraith]

Still can not figure out how to add a MIDI track; still can not figure out how to load a VSTi. :eusa_wall:

[The Guru]

No MIDI tracks, just Instrument tracks as far as I can see. I just D/Led it so I'll look into it some more.

[LEX]

No MIDI tracks, just Instrument tracks as far as I can see. I just D/Led it so I'll look into it some more.

That is a pretty major over sight on their part.

A large "NO GO" from the way I see it.

With no QT Video, no midi I don't see it appealing to anyone who does anything more than record and mix.

LEX

[The Guru]

You need to point to your VSTi folders via File-Options-VST Plugins and re-start the App. It seems Cubase SX# plugs are blacklisted, the error is a PITA as you can't specify For All.

Once that's done, open the browser to the right of the Arrange pane and drag a VSTi to the Instrument track and it will load.

[The Guru]

A friend has Logic and from what I see, this looks and feels a lot like it in many ways. It's going to take some serious work to get this primetime.

Not being able to save a setup is a killer. :icon_twisted:

[The Guru]

Actually, the Instrument Tracks are multi-out, something Steinberg has alluded is the future for them.

[D]

Actually, the Instrument Tracks are multi-out, something Steinberg has alluded is the future for them.

I already have multiple outputs in SX3. Kontakt has it, and so do some other VSTis.

[The Guru]

I already have multiple outputs in SX3. Kontakt has it, and so do some other VSTis.


Yes, but you don't have Instrument Tracks that support your multi-out VSTi's. :wink:

[TAFKAT]

Are you guys serious that there is no external MIDI out support ?

Is this a built in limitation of the DEMO, if not, they may as well excuse themselves of being taken seriously .

Edit: Just saw the answer at Gearslutz, you have to setup your MIDI I/O for them to appear... , well Dohh !!!

This whole B.S about of not saving settings and sessions is going to be a right royal PITA !

Can you guys check if it imports OMF /AAF , I can't get to it for a few days, and that may help me decide whether I will bother with some testing I have planned.

Thanks

[TAFKAT]

How to diminish Pro credibility in one fell swoop...


In many ways, this is being marketed towards beginners. A major force in the development of S1 was our desire to provide our interface customers with an 'easy-to-use' solution, as many of them are beginners. That being said, S1 goes well beyond what the beginner requires.

[The Guru]

No OMF or AFF. AIFF, yes.

[kdm]

No OMF, but it has TL and cubase XML import. It does seem to be aimed at beginners. Dragging vsti's to insert on a track is cool though.

[LEX]

Yeah, it is really already looking like a beginners toy to me.

Maybe that is their beginning marketing plan as the software develops, and in future versions it will be more "Pro" with professional features.

The limiting fact of not being able to save settings is complete B.S. How in the hell can it be public beta when you cannot continue on after shutting down the program.

Someone doesn't know much about users, and testing. Must be from the SB marketing department.

Well, looks like Reaper will remain King in the "new DAW" department, and the "DAW to watch" IMO.

Though, SB better get their P's and Q's together because between everything that is being released, they are looking at losing alot of users to other DAWs who provide simple and "WORKING" DAW solutions.

While Cubase still, probably, has a medium to strong user base, the Nuendo user base is all but gone.

I just have to say, had SB worked with their user base rather than fight them with Nuendo and listen to the marketing idiots, Nuendo would have been a stronger and more desirable DAW.

S1 IMO, has a ways to go for me.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Just finished reading in on the Soap Opera at KVR, yeh I know..., and thru the s/n one of the points being raised that I believe is valid is the pricing.

The retail pricing places it smack dab in the same range as Cubase/SONAR Producer / Logic Pro , where Cubase Studio / SONAR Studio / Logic Express are cheaper , are established and far more stable releases and have more features in many respects.

Being a beginner doesn't mean you are automatically an idiot in regards to being able to make a decisions in parting with your hard earned $ for a first up DAW. Of course the argument will be raised about the reduced pricing for Presonus hardware owners , and the free version that will be supplied with their quality hardware , thats all well and good for Presonus HW owners , but for those that want to use other hardware or already own another DAW, I seriously doubt this will even get a look in..

@ Dedric,

So it can import Cubase XML, can't say I have ever used XML import, so what exactly comes across ?

BTW: No Folder Tracks .... , I can't even imagine what the arrange page will be like for those with huge templates... :-(

[The Guru]

I want to see what kind of update schedule and support this is going to have. That's where the rubber meets the road, IMHO.

[RiffWraith]

You need to point to your VSTi folders via File-Options-VST Plugins and re-start the App. It seems Cubase SX# plugs are blacklisted, the error is a PITA as you can't specify For All.

Once that's done, open the browser to the right of the Arrange pane and drag a VSTi to the Instrument track and it will load.


How the hell do you do this? I can't browse to the vst files in the browser....

[D]

Yes, but you don't have Instrument Tracks that support your multi-out VSTi's. :wink:

No, I have MIDI tracks that support them. :eusa_whistle:

[The Guru]

You need to point to your VSTi folders via File-Options-VST Plugins and re-start the App. It seems Cubase SX# plugs are blacklisted, the error is a PITA as you can't specify For All.

Once that's done, open the browser to the right of the Arrange pane and drag a VSTi to the Instrument track and it will load.


How the hell do you do this? I can't browse to the vst files in the browser....

You have to do what's in red before they'll appear in the browser. It's just like VST2.x Paths in Plugin Info in Cubase.

[The Guru]

No, I have MIDI tracks that support them. :eusa_whistle:


Fred Flintstone has flint to start fires, too. :wink:

[shanabit]

A lot of hype about this app was going around, Im not impressed much after messing with it

[RiffWraith]

"You need to point to your VSTi folders via File-Options-VST Plugins and re-start the App."

Did that.

http://www.jeffreyhayat.com/studio1.jpg

[The Guru]

You don't have Scan At Startup Checked. Did it go through a scan when you re-started?

As I stated, it didn't seem to like Cubase SX3 plugs so I used 3rd Party.

[RiffWraith]

You don't have Scan At Startup Checked.

Ah, that's it.

Yeah, it doesn't like Cubase plugs. No prob there.

But now I can't get it to see input from the keyboard. I added my kbd, but it doesn't want to see it. See - this is what I like about Cubase. There is nothing to set up. You just open it, and start playing.

And I do not like the transport bar at the bottom. Wouldn't mind if it was dockable, but it seems it ain't.

[The Guru]

I added my keyboard as an External Device and it worked no problem. Where did you add it?

[kdm]

@ Dedric,

So it can import Cubase XML, can't say I have ever used XML import, so what exactly comes across ?

Tracks, track names, audio and audio positions of all clips transfer from Nuendo xml to Project One; no plugins or automation though.

Within Nuendo I use track archive (xml) to recreate corrupt projects, and transfer tracks between projects (the latter being the most constructive use). It does work well for moving basic tracks between projects.



BTW: No Folder Tracks .... , I can't even imagine what the arrange page will be like for those with huge templates... :-(

This is one area Nuendo/Cubase have the rest beaten in spades. Even Reaper's folders are a pain compared to Nuendo's, though at least it has a first attempt at a reasonable folder implementation. Logic's archive approach is a pain. No way I would use another DAW without this feature.

[TAFKAT]

Dedric,

Thanks Mate, good to know re the XML.

I think I'll wait for the revised demo, there are murmurs that they are going to amend the demo to be fully working for 30 days.

[RiffWraith]

I added my keyboard as an External Device and it worked no problem. Where did you add it?

Under options:

http://www.jeffreyhayat.com/S12.jpg

[The Guru]

Ok, I wiped that partition so I'm going from memory, but you have to choose define new or whatever it's called. Choosing the one you did is for remote control, IIRC. Your keyboard should show as an option in the define new dialog.

[The Guru]

You go; Add- New Keyboard, and select your board's ins and outs at the bottom.

[RiffWraith]

Ehhh.....lemme know when you are done with your install. Not seeing anything like that here...

[The Guru]

You ass, I didn't want to re-install. :icon_twisted:

[The Guru]

If Presonus is rolling this out so their interface users have a simple, basic recording program, judging by Riffy's trials and tribs, they better send a few scouts to India to find a large call center. They're going to need it. :icon_yes:

[D]

File-->Options-->External Devices-->Add

:eusa_whistle:

[D]

If Presonus is rolling this out so their interface users have a simple, basic recording program, judging by Riffy's trials and tribs, they better send a few scouts to India to find a large call center. They're going to need it. :icon_yes:

Indian scouts, you say? :eusa_whistle: :rotfl:

the Indians send signals from the rocks above the pass,
the cowboys take positions in the bushes and the grass,
the squaw is with the Corporal, she is tied against a tree,
she doesn't mind the language, it's the beating she don't need,
she let's loose all the horses when the Corporal is asleep,
he wakes to find the fire's dead and arrows in his hats,
and Davy Crockett rides around and says it's cool for cats,
it's cool for cats...

[The Guru]

I was watching some F-Troop episodes this A.M.. :icon_yes:

[D]

I was watching some F-Troop episodes this A.M.. :icon_yes:

Where the heck are we? :rotfl:

[The Guru]

Waiting for Spiffy to tell us the next part he can't figure out. :eusa_whistle:

[D]

Waiting for Spiffy to tell us the next part he can't figure out. :eusa_whistle:

That's what we're here for. :eusa_whistle:

[RiffWraith]

You ass, I didn't want to re-install. :icon_twisted:

Huh? WTF does that mean?


File-->Options-->External Devices-->Add

:eusa_whistle:

Ok, and what does THAT mean? I did that already - as I stated. Do you have anything NEW to add?

[D]

Waiting for Spiffy to tell us the next part he can't figure out. :eusa_whistle:

That, BTW, is how the "H'akowwee" tribe got their name. :eusa_whistle:

[The Guru]

Huh? WTF does that mean?

What it said.

Did you see my screen shot? :eusa_eh:

[D]

Huh? WTF does that mean?



Ok, and what does THAT mean? I did that already - as I stated. Do you have anything NEW to add?

Well, if it doesn't work Holmes, then obviously you did something wrong. You chose the wrong ports. Works fine here on two different keyboards... :eusa_whistle:

[D]

BTW, I really like the way I can switch between keyboards on this. In addition it is a lot easier to create an instrument track that automatically chooses your default keyboard and inserts the VSTi, so that you can start playing that VSTi immediately: no having to record enable the track first. Very cool. :icon_cool:

[D]

I don't like the fact that my FW-1884 jog wheel can only be set to move one bar at a time. The whole point of having a jog wheel is to be able to shuttle through the parts.

Just confirmed this functionality on SX3 - the shuttle button puts the jog wheel in shuttle mode, which scrubs through the song in very small increments. The normal functionality is that it goes much faster, and doesn't scrub - you actually have to press play for any playback.

[shanabit]

If Presonus is rolling this out so their interface users have a simple, basic recording program, judging by Riffy's trials and tribs, they better send a few scouts to India to find a large call center. They're going to need it. :icon_yes:

Just takes a little RTM time. :pop_corn: After fiddling with it for 5 mins I called myself stupid and opened the manual:icon_eek3: All good now
Everything is an instrument, cool setup actually

[The Guru]

Same here, saw it wasn't like Cubase so I opened the manual and was going in short order. That takes too much common sense for most people, in my experience.

[shanabit]

Studio One wont load up my audio driver here for my BOSE system . Its NOT there but looks like this:

Audio Device says, Windows Audio
When I clik the Control Panel, my Playback says Speakers (Bose USB Audio)

I dont have this issue with Cubase, Samplitude, Reaper, SawStudio nor the internal audio sounds, just Studio One ONLY

Any ideas, Im sure Im overlooking something here, maybe not though

[The Guru]

I'm guessing it's not an ASIO device?

[shanabit]

I'm guessing it's not an ASIO device?

Maybe your right since its probably a generic USB audio driver. Can you use it with your internal PC speakers?? None of my other apps have to have an ASIO device to play back from the internal sound driver though

[RiffWraith]

Well, if it doesn't work Holmes, then obviously you did something wrong.

Really. Oh, ok. Thanks so much for making me aware of that.

[RiffWraith]

What it said.

Did you see my screen shot? :eusa_eh:

That is exactly where I added the kbd from.

[The Guru]

That is exactly where I added the kbd from.

Yeah, but did you then assign the right ports? From your screenshot it doesn't appear so.

[RiffWraith]

Feck. Had to reinstall.

First install: no ports avail.

Second install: ports avail.

WTF??? Hmmmm.... I think my MOTU MIDI interface was not powered on during the first install; it was defnitely on now. Is it possible that S1 does not recognoze ports that aren't available during the install? That would be wierd....

Anyway - works now.

[The Guru]

No, but you'd have to reset or rescan for devices that weren't enabled on that first scan, same as the plugin folder behaved.

[RiffWraith]

No, but you'd have to reset or rescan for devices that weren't enabled on that first scan, same as the plugin folder behaved.

But it was scanning. Remember I didn;t have that checked before? I do now, and besides - this time around I didn't do anything different, save for (I think) have the MOTU powered on.

[The Guru]

That's weird, I remember hitting a reset button somewhere as I didn't have my unit turned on the first time I fired S1 up.

At least you're up. The plugs really kinda suck, no?

[RiffWraith]

The plugs really kinda suck, no?

:icon_yes:

[D]

Really. Oh, ok. Thanks so much for making me aware of that.

Seriously Jeff, I respect you, really I do, but even I could tell from your screen shot that those were the wrong ports. I would have thought for certain that you, knowing your system would also know, in which case you asking why it wouldn't work was kinda...hmm...strange.

Glad to see you've got it sorted.

[shanabit]

I'll wait till they at least put MTC in the app. Lots of stuck midi notes here with it as well. What will they call it when they go up a point? Studio 2, Studio 3, Studio 4 ??

It feels very Nuendoish to me. Good reason though.