The best DSP Team ?

[chromatic]

Hello,

iam new to cubase 5 :)
The thing is i used (and will maybe still use) LOGIC 8. For that reasons and some others (quality) i would like to not use Native plugins of Logic or Cubase and use almost only Plugins that run on DSP CARDS,,, that way i can use same effects for cubase and Logic...

Iam interested in Buying maybe 2 or 3 dsp system.
Those iam interested in are Focusrite Liquid Mix, TC Powercore, SSL Duende.
I wonder if the Liquid Mix and Duende are not too much on the same boat ?
Or do you think i can use both and they are both useful ?
Choice between those two is difficult because the Liquid mix have control surface and lots of eq and compressor type... the DUENDE is Mainly one eq and compressor...
Powercore is a little different as it got some good reverb, filter, delay etc etc...
Iam not so much interested in UAD effects thats why its not in my list...

if i take 2 i feel most versatile would be LIQUID MIX + Powercore (4dsp).
But i COULD take 3 for almost same price by buying 2 powercore compact instead of ONE firewire powercore... i dont know why but the compact with 2dsp is 1 quarter of the price of a powercore firewire 4dsp...

if i take 3 i think it would be Liquid mix and Powercore compact x2 they are firewire, but for the duende i would take the cheaper PCI version...

Do you think it would work well ? i mean having 2 firewire dsp system.... i would HAD a firewire card to my MAC PRO if necessery (knowing my AUDIO card is also firewire).

Would it be complementary to have those 3 or, does the Duende and Liquid mix walk on the same ground...

what do you think of all that ? ^^ ,

[paulwr]

I think most here would suggest UAD cards. VERY good plugs, and more versatility then something like the Duende. I'm very surprised it isn't on your list.

-Paul

[chromatic]

Duende is more cheap i think in PCI version.
UAD seem specialised in Vintage effects wich is a good thing but also very much of the same style as the Liquid mix... and plugins on the UAD that are interesting are not cheap too ^^
I think i would not buy Plugs, just use those sold in bundle with the cards (or rack ^^ )

[Sam]

stay well away from DSP over firewire.....especially if you have a firewire audio card.

I have a single UAD2 quad....i love their plugs, and they are great value when you buy the card and plugs in a bundle. Powercore I would only buy to run one plugin - VSS3...and that one plugin is worth $625 alone!!! TC makes UAD plugs look cheap! Sure they do emulations....but the precision series plugs, and things like the cambridge EQ are very good too, and not hardware emulations. Their Plate140 reverb is really damn fine too...the best plugin 'plate' i have heard.

I have heard good things about Duende....but its a one trick box thats for sure....if you just want an SSL sound then maybe it is for you....

[chromatic]

stay well away from DSP over firewire.....especially if you have a firewire audio card.

I have a single UAD2 quad....i love their plugs, and they are great value when you buy the card and plugs in a bundle. Powercore I would only buy to run one plugin - VSS3...and that one plugin is worth $625 alone!!! TC makes UAD plugs look cheap! Sure they do emulations....but the precision series plugs, and things like the cambridge EQ are very good too, and not hardware emulations. Their Plate140 reverb is really damn fine too...the best plugin 'plate' i have heard.

I have heard good things about Duende....but its a one trick box thats for sure....if you just want an SSL sound then maybe it is for you....

Iam checking out the UAD2 now :)
the thing is iam in Japan and strangely some companies sell for price close to the US and some much higher, for example the Duende PCI is 2 or 3 times cheaper than UAD2 DUO here...

In fact i think i will take anyway the LIQUIDMIX and so i wonder if Duende is useful if you have already liquidmix... since liquid mix already have so many eq and compressors emulation... So yeah maybe better to Have Liquidfirewire+UAD2 PCI+a powercore PCI (i like some of their "more transparent not analog sounding" plugins:)

Does someone have experience with Liquid mix or/and Duende ?

[Vinark]

I own a liquidmix and 2 uad1's. I think UA is a little better, but I do get great results with the liquidmix. I have to use it a lot cause one of my musical partners has a liquid and no uad. If you would buy a liquid, what would you need the other dsp card for? Knowing that might help make a good decision. You can get UAD1's really cheap now.

[LEX]

Euphonix by a mile. Hopefully we'll start seeing some plugin architecture in the near future

LEX

[chromatic]

I own a liquidmix and 2 uad1's. I think UA is a little better, but I do get great results with the liquidmix. I have to use it a lot cause one of my musical partners has a liquid and no uad. If you would buy a liquid, what would you need the other dsp card for? Knowing that might help make a good decision. You can get UAD1's really cheap now.

I would use other card for Reverb, delats, filters, Multiband compressor for mastering. thats why the Poco seemed a good complement of the Liquid mix :)
is the reverb of the UAD good ?
I saw they have a Moog Filter Plugin that might be good...

[chromatic]

i have some difficulties to understand how the UAD2 packages works ^^,
wich do you think is the most interesting around or for less that 160 000 yen ?

some have a 500$ voucher for plugins on uad site and some have the full Neve suite... one that seem maybe most interesting maybe DUO FLEXI with a 500$ voucher or NEVANA 32 WITH 100$ VOUCHER AND NEVE 88RS ? a bit difficult to know lol :icon_redface:

[Michael Tibes]

Iam checking out the UAD2 now :)
Does someone have experience with Liquid mix or/and Duende ?

1UAD2 Quad, 1UAD1, 2 Pocos, 1 Duende Classic, 1 Duende PCI here...

What I use most - certainly a very personal opinion:

UADs for the Neve stuff, 1176, SSL channnel, Plate reverb, precision limiter and multiband.

Poco: VSS reverb, DVR, Nonlin (all are xtra charge).

SSL: bus compressor, channel strip eq

So in my opinion everything has it's strengths in different spots.
I would stay away from anything using firewire or usb. As far as possible! It has always been giving me more trouble than pci/pcie based stuff.

Over a long period of time UAD has been most stable here (apart from that I can't use more than 1 UAD1 in my I7 computer), poco has it's hickups (and a very bad outlook for 64 bit drivers, they just don't seem to care at all :eusa_snooty:) and Duende has been bitchy - the one day upcoming new drivers might (or might not) change this.

I didn't dare to touch liquid mix, it's tempting - but I'm really done with fw. Check the forums, there are always a lot more problems with fw devices - with all manufacturers. Afaik there is no fw device which was working better than a pci/e based one, if you get lucky it somehow gets close, if you don't you end up chasing 'the perfect' fw chipset instead of making music...

Michael

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I would steer clear of the Poco stuff. I've had two of their cards, and they were both flaky. Often they would simply disappear, with a reboot or cold hard reset required to wake them up again. Occasionally one of the other would even need to be reseated.

Don't even start with drivers. Even the 32 bit ones were/are marginal and buggy.

If you need a great reverb, look no further than the Acustica Nebula 3. It is the finest reverb out there IMHO, and it's native. http://www.acusticaudio.net/

[chromatic]

I would steer clear of the Poco stuff. I've had two of their cards, and they were both flaky. Often they would simply disappear, with a reboot or cold hard reset required to wake them up again. Occasionally one of the other would even need to be reseated.

Don't even start with drivers. Even the 32 bit ones were/are marginal and buggy.

If you need a great reverb, look no further than the Acustica Nebula 3. It is the finest reverb out there IMHO, and it's native. http://www.acusticaudio.net/

Thanks :)
but that plugin Nebula 3 is for Window... iam on OSX :)
so i suppose maybe you used POCO on window too ?

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iam on OSX :)

You have my sympathy.

[chromatic]

You have my sympathy.

:icon_lol:

[chromatic]

You convinced me of taking a UAD instead of Duende :)

I will probably take the duo flexi with 500$ voucher, with it maybe i will take the Precision mastering suite, is it good ?
Iam making electronic music.

I will read review about it if find some....

I might be interested in the Moog filter but was not so much convinced by the Video on the uad website...

[D]

I have the precision EQ, which I use all the time. It's usually the first one I try. I also have the precision limiter, which is great as well.

The precision enhancer IMHO is to be avoided.

[Sam]

Plim and PEQ are great....Plim is very good at limiting without destroying frequency response - and it is very good at not turning things onto an overly mushy pile of useless RMS.....I haven't tried the buscomp, and I agree with D on the maximizer - i wasn't too wowed....but I never used it on anything but over a mix....

You can enable ANY uad plugin for a 14 day demo at any time you choose (obviously once you have demo'd it will not re-enable the demo again) so just buy the flexi....and hold the $$voucher until you have played with all the toys for a couple of weeks and figure out what you want!

[Captain Caveman]

If you need a great reverb, look no further than the Acustica Nebula 3. It is the finest reverb out there IMHO, and it's native. http://www.acusticaudio.net/
Nebula 3 also has the finest virtual EQs on the planet too IMO.

The paid extra Doc Fear (for 6 euros!!) being the best so far, although the API and Avalon are lovely too.

It has been developed for Mac and you can get it if you read this post (and really, really want it cause the installation procedure isn't ready yet).....

http://www.acusticaudio.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=17605#17605

[chromatic]

i finally bought a UAD2 DUO FLEXI PCIE and an SSL DUENDE PCIE :icon_yes:

I think it will be cool :D

[Animus]

Nebula 3 also has the finest virtual EQs on the planet too IMO.

The paid extra Doc Fear (for 6 euros!!) being the best so far, although the API and Avalon are lovely too.

It has been developed for Mac and you can get it if you read this post (and really, really want it cause the installation procedure isn't ready yet).....

http://www.acusticaudio.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=17605#17605


THe Brent Averill 1073 is awesome too, my favorite. Nebula is really like analog in the box. Now if they can get the gui under control.

Have you tried the new Tape programs released at http://redirectingat.com/?id=690X1299&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdsoundmaster.com%2Fsite%2Fr2r.ht ml

I have the console emus of the API and RNP that Alex did that are really cool too.

[Captain Caveman]

THe Brent Averill 1073 is awesome too, my favorite. Nebula is really like analog in the box. Now if they can get the gui under control.

Have you tried the new Tape programs released at http://redirectingat.com/?id=690X1299&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdsoundmaster.com%2Fsite%2Fr2r.ht ml

I have the console emus of the API and RNP that Alex did that are really cool too.
I have not as of yet, I'll check out the demo programs available for them but I think that the pricing is a bit on the steep side considering the price of Nebula. I'm waiting on the SSL desk emu from Alex since I have the API tubey thang covered with the analogueinthebox version..... the whole thing really is very exciting. Now that the Mac version is out hopefully it will receive the recognition it deserves.

[Sound Drifter]

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