Net 2.0 and XP Service Pack 3?

[LEX]

A few years back, Net 2.0 was a no no. So what about now?

How about XP Service Pack 3? Any need for it?
Any benefit?

Is it safe?

LEX

[Animus]

I think I have Net 2.0 and all is fine. Not running SP3 though. I am not that brave. :)

[TAFKAT]

Hey LEX,

I don't actually install .net unless an application/ driver applet specifically requires it.

I haven't had any issues with it on SP3 tho..

What are you installing that requires it ?

[HowlingUlf]

no .NET on DAW
but SP3 behaves 8)
benefits ... dunno?

[Daryl]

no .NET on DAW
but SP3 behaves 8)
benefits ... dunno?
AFAIK you can't install Sibelius (for example) without .NET

D

[HowlingUlf]

AFAIK you can't install Sibelius (for example) without .NET

D

Any other benefits? :D

[Daryl]

Any other benefits? :D
How is it a benefit?

D

[HowlingUlf]

that's the question! ;)

[Daryl]

that's the question! ;)
Huh? I don't understand. Let me try again.

AFAIK you can't run Sibelius without .NET. Therefore for someone working at the level I do, it has to be installed. The benefit is that I can use Sibelius, and therefore orchestrate major feature films. If I don't install it, I can't.

D

[number6]

....and the risks of installing .NET are?

...the upsides?

...the downsides?

[Daryl]

....and the risks of installing .NET are?

...the upsides?

...the downsides?

I haven't noticed anything awry that wasn't already awry.

D

[Animus]

I take that back. I have been having some side by side errors related too Microsoft.VC80.CRT which is in Net 2 I think, and also related to AAF filter. I had to have Net 2 for my Matrox. Seeming how Matrox is pointless nowadays I switched it out with a Nvidia card. I will see how that goes.

[HowlingUlf]

sorry ... I don't use Sibelius. I have no idea about wheter .NET is required or about any side effects.
.
SP3 works fine here, that's all

[LEX]

sorry ... I don't use Sibelius. I have no idea about wheter .NET is required or about any side effects.
.
SP3 works fine here, that's all

Before Net 1.1 was okay, but 2.0 was a no go. That was about 2 years ago.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Before Net 1.1 was okay, but 2.0 was a no go. That was about 2 years ago.

LEX

As I asked you earlier, what application or applet do you need it for ?

[LEX]

As I asked you earlier, what application or applet do you need it for ?

I still have a matrox G750. I updated to version 2.0 driver (for 3rd monitor support and support for resolutions for my 22" wide screens) which required 2.0.

Nothing has happened yet that I know of, but since 3rd monitor and those resolutions don't work, I was considering going back to Net 1.1 and verison 1.13 drivers which will support those resolutions just not 3rd monitor.

I tell you. The matrox cards have really gone down hill.
So has their support.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

Hey Lex,

When you go to 3 Monitor mode, you loose the ability to set individual resolutions per monitor, they have to be all the same or spanned.. :-(

Haven't touched a Matrox card for a DAW in years to be honest , do have a P650 in my office system that is about to be retired.

The 3 monitor mode was always a royal pain... :-(

[Sound Drifter]

I'm running SP3 and .net 2.x and all seems ok.

Sony required it for their products which I have Acid, Vegas, Sound Forge, DVD Architect, CD Architect.

[LEX]

When I had a smaller res, I was able to set 2 independent, and a TV out.

No possible now.

That is why I wonder if I should go back to Net 1.1, or is 2.0 okay.

I'm going to use my MAC and MTC for video to monitor with internal video on host.

LEX

[Animus]

I still have a matrox G750. I updated to version 2.0 driver (for 3rd monitor support and support for resolutions for my 22" wide screens) which required 2.0.

Nothing has happened yet that I know of, but since 3rd monitor and those resolutions don't work, I was considering going back to Net 1.1 and verison 1.13 drivers which will support those resolutions just not 3rd monitor.

I tell you. The matrox cards have really gone down hill.
So has their support.

LEX

When you updated to Nuendo 4.2 did you lose AAF import? I did. And I had been getting side by side errors referencing AAF and also Microsoft.VC80.CRT (which is something to do with Net). I read at the Nuendo forums about the problem with AAF and that people were just dragging the AAF folder from 4.1 into 4.2. But I am wondering if this is somehow related to Net as well. I installed a Nvidia card and get rid of Net 2 and went back to the older version of AAF and will see how it goes.

[StevenG]

The AAF disappearing was resolved here by removing the prefs folders for Nuendo2 and Nuendo3, then trashing the N4 prefs. That way Nuendo can't get its prefs from a previous version. And tadaaaaaaaa! AAF is back.

I did notice however, that there was some strange juju going on like Animus described (AAF and Microsoft.VC80.CRT). I'm thinking that it's not related.

Otherwise we've got Xp SP3 on all machines here, no worries at all.

[LEX]

So the BS about being able to have multiple versions on the same system is bullshit then.
'
That explains why I had so, so many problems with N3 and N4 on the same system.

Everytime I went back to N3, my prefs were screwed up.

It makes you wonder. Does SB even know what is going on under the hood?

I have since removed Nuendo4 all together. Just Nuendo 3 now.

Guess it will be version 5 or 6 for me.

Ouch.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

The AAF disappearing was resolved here by removing the prefs folders for Nuendo2 and Nuendo3, then trashing the N4 prefs. That way Nuendo can't get its prefs from a previous version. And tadaaaaaaaa! AAF is back.

Hey Steven,

Thanks for the heads up Mate.. :-)

You would think Steinberg would make a note of that in the K.B.

I have never figured out why installing a new version would results in it importing preferences from the previous version that were not 100% compatible. Even better, it would be easy to simply have an installation option to either import or ignore previous prefs.

With it being such a grey area, IMO, it would be far better if it simply ignored all prefs from earlier versions , and I know that is a pain for those with huge templates, but at least we wouldn't be chasing our tails with these pref related issues..

Peace

[Animus]

well I would go even further and question why Steinberg can't seem to maintain compatibility between versions. We shouldn't have to rebuild everything every damn time. PITA

[LEX]

well I would go even further and question why Steinberg can't seem to maintain compatibility between versions. We shouldn't have to rebuild everything every damn time. PITA

That is one reason I am not going to Nuendo 4 at this time.

1) you can't have different versions on the same system (needed since old projects won't work in the new version)

2) Having to rebuild templates, routing ect in every new version.

LEX

[TAFKAT]

well I would go even further and question why Steinberg can't seem to maintain compatibility between versions. We shouldn't have to rebuild everything every damn time. PITA

Of course, no argument ..,

But seeing the later isn't going to be happening any time soon, I think the former would be a safer bet for them, but they still can't even manage to implement a simple option on installation.. , we won't even mention the farcical HALionOne installation routines.. :-(

Anyhow,

What were we talking about again, oh yeh, .Net 2.0...

[TerryG]

.NET 2 is required for the install of some Sony apps, like Vegas 8 and DVD Architect. I think the whole .NET thing is designed more for Internet related authorization/update/useage monitoring schemes than anything else. You can install .NET in order to get a program in your system, then disable all the .NET associated garbage that wants to run in the background.
.NET is just more big brother from our friends at Microsoft.... and Vista is the new king of unnecessary shit questioning your every move.

Zone Alarm Security Suite is great for killing processes entirely, if not at least blocking their Internet access.

That last thing I want happening in the middle of a mix is a skip in the audio during a damned update window reminder from some hidden BS toolbar that I never authorized to install in the first place resulting from some app that "required" .NET...

[honeydont]

I'm running XP SP3 and .NET 3.5! :icon_eek3: :nuts:

Everything working fine, though...

[kdm]

well I would go even further and question why Steinberg can't seem to maintain compatibility between versions. We shouldn't have to rebuild everything every damn time. PITA

Sorry to propagate an OT response, but... ditto. Just trying to install Cubase 4.5.2 on Vista/32.... good grief what a set of hoops to jump through with the alternate installer and updates to get to one that works, at least I assume it will work eventually.

Back to Net 2.0... no problems here that I can see - .Net 2.0 and SP3 with Nuendo 4.2.2. SP3 was the base install on this system, not an update.

[honeydont]

I'm running XP SP3 and .NET 3.5! :icon_eek3: :nuts:

Everything working fine, though...

And then I tried to install Toontrack's EZDrummer.... AHHHHHHH!!!!! A series of "internal error 2908" msgs, my user profile getting corrupted, other apps didn't open anymore, ect. Living hell!

I've uninstalled all the dotnet versions and then fixed everything, but it took me some time. I'll post in the appropriate forum the link to Aaron Stebner's dotnet removal tool. It's really helpful for those uninstalling any version of it, cause they all leave lots of things behind.

Hope nobody followed my words... :sulkoff:

[John Lance]

.NET 2 is required for the install of some Sony apps, like Vegas 8 and DVD Architect. I think the whole .NET thing is designed more for Internet related authorization/update/useage monitoring schemes than anything else.

.NET is an operating system extension. It makes operating system services available as well as making available extended functions to the OS. It is an attempt to go beyond the old MFC programming interface and it is not doing badly at all with that. Usually it is much nicer to work with from a programming point of view than the old MFC interface ever was.


That last thing I want happening in the middle of a mix is a skip in the audio during a damned update window reminder from some hidden BS toolbar that I never authorized to install in the first place resulting from some app that "required" .NET... I hate it when software publishers do this to me and I tend to remember it later concerning other products from that company. During an install I check very carefully for those toolbar applications and such.

I usually check on what gets or got installed afterwards. I like to check up on extra services that may have been installed and also verify start up entries in the registry.

I get tired of companies creating applications thinking they have to install services to do things and to install boot up junk.

Ahead Nero is a serious offender on this issue with extra services. Adobe products are also serious offenders regarding this issue. I wish there was a replacement for Adobe Flash. I absolutely hate Flash. Talk about in-your-face when I don't want it, absolute crap. I will never allow automatic updates of any kind on any of my machines.

Diskeeper and PerfectDisk I do allow on the machines, but I set the services to manual operation and don't allow them to kick in when they think they need to. I am a control freak. I want no surprises.

.NET is not the culprit.

[John Lance]

And then I tried to install Toontrack's EZDrummer.... AHHHHHHH!!!!! A series of "internal error 2908" msgs, my user profile getting corrupted, other apps didn't open anymore, ect. Living hell!

I've uninstalled all the dotnet versions and then fixed everything, but it took me some time. I'll post in the appropriate forum the link to Aaron Stebner's dotnet removal tool. It's really helpful for those uninstalling any version of it, cause they all leave lots of things behind.

Hope nobody followed my words... :sulkoff:
You should create a new user profile and rebuild your profile under that new user. Your current profile is crap and cannot really be salvaged. You will encounter future issues because of this incident (it can almost be guaranteed). Once you have full functionality under your new profile, you should log into a separate administrator privileged account and delete the old profile (after backing up what you can). It is a total pain.

It is not necessarily the program installer that is at fault here. A machine glitch, an OS bug that just reared its' head, many things could have happened.

I have all versions of .NET installed on my main machine, I am running WinXP at SP3 with all of the latest updates and have no issues whatsoever, and there are no popups or other peculiar things happening due to .NET being there. I do get to run programs that require the OS extensions and programming interface that .NET provides however.

[John Lance]

A replacement for the Adobe PDF Reader is at http://www.foxitsoftware.com/

It works pretty decently. The paid version is the one to go for. It is small, loads fast, and doesn't create any of those frickin' "phone home" services.

[ROCKINROG]

I use that one on one of my other boots where I don't need Acrobat Pro and it works great. Adobe has certainly gone down hill over the years. It takes forever to load (plugin load from hell!), to make pdf's, whatever and starts all kinds of crap all over the place. :nono: